Novocastrian

Contrary some on here, I certainly negotiated my salary from outside the country when I came (back) here 15 years ago. I said exactly what jericho implied in the first post... that I was concerned about mortgage multipliers and high houses prices in Toronto. Hey presto, another 10% was suddenly on the table.

Bear in mind that starting salary is the base point for all future cost of living percentage rise calculations, so that initial 10% hike has now "compounded" into many more $/year than at first.

Surrey Expat

Unafordable is subjective, as many on here have accepted way less because their sole objective was to get into the country. The rest sorts itself out over the course of time. I took a way lower salary and position, however now am doing way better than would have done in the UK. After tax, it might cover a beater, but not much of a car, it might do the insurance though.

The gamble is, do you want the job more or do they want you more? However nobody is forcing you are they? I guess it's down to how much of a chance you want to take. Unfortunately you will only know how keen they are when you ask the question and see what answer you get. While you are waiting could your permit expire and you are forced to take whatever you can get?

Back to the gamble, unless you have been flooded with high offers, there is a chance nothing better will come along. You may get a better offer once in Canada, on a PR permit, you are not tied to one employer. What if nothing better comes along?
If you ask, you will soon find out. Being a large organization does not make them any more benevolent. I guess it also depends on whether they have a pool of people to choose from. They have to make money for the owners.

From your original post So I guess it depends on whether you are or not.

Negotiation is about playing hard ball, being prepared to walk away if you don't get what you want. He who speaks first loses!

You might be able to ask if there is any room for movement on the salary, then decide.

Your question about being greedy, what do you think? It's your future.

Hope you get the answer you are looking for.

R I C H

Maybe I'm just a money grabbing opportunist, but have always figured that if you don't ask, you don't get.

As an employee it's always been the norm for me to negotiate. As an employer, I've always been open to someone wanting to haggle - I've always the right to say no, but I wouldn't choose someone else just because a candidate's made a polite or considered enquiry about what's on the table.

jericho

The company that offered $48k have now come back asking what salary would entice me to join them. Im not sure its realistic for me to request another $25k, and I dont want to lose any credibility. Not quite sure what to do really. Even if they'd agree to up their offer to $70k ish, it would make me wonder why they didnt offer it in the first place.


However, I've gone back to the other company to see if there's any room for negotiation, and they've agreed to look in to it and let me know.

Jay Bird

Seems to me that no matter what you're offered, by whoever, you're going to wonder and worry about it!

jericho

Anybody would think its a life changing decision...

G586

you can always tell them of your other offer, would make them think....

Novocastrian

Nooooooo! That way they'll only match it at best. Unless one is in a much lower priced real estate environment than the other, what has he gained?

I forget what the other offer was now, let's say $65K. Tell the first company you've been offered $68k at least. And sweeten up the benefits while you're at it.

jericho

Well, in the end, they agreed to increase the salary whilst still keeping the relocation package. I've gladly accepted.

Judy in Calgary

Congratulations, jericho. Well done. I'm glad for you.

Steve_P

I've been following this thread with interest.

A great big congratulations.

When does the proposed move take place?

All the best.
Steve

maddhobs

Congratulations!

Jay Bird

Congratulations!
Best of luck with your move

jericho

Cheers all.
Now just for the small matter of going through the LMO process.

christmasoompa

Well done, big congrats to you.

I've also been following this thread with interest as I was interested to hear of others points of view. For what it's worth, I have always negotiated for jobs here in the UK and always been offered more than the originally stated salary (and I wasn't a high flier by any means, just a PA!). And hubby has been negotiating with companies in Canada and has in one instance got them to up their offer several times, eventually by $40k more than the original one!! (although admittedly he's got quite niche skills). But imo it's definitely worth asking the question.

Hope that the LMO process goes smoothly and congrats again - think a glass of bubbly must be in order!