Visitor Visa Waiver Program Changes For Waiver Countries
May 17th 2005 | 12:12 pm
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Re: Visitor Visa Waiver Program Changes For Waiver Countries
Originally Posted by dbd33
That is interesting. It contradicts an article in the Journal of the Swiss Abroad which has been our guide to date. I'd certainly like your interpretation to turn out to be accurate but am suspicious of Art 58a :
"A foreign child who was born before July 1, 1985 and whose mother acquired Swiss citizenship by descent, adoption or naturalization may apply for simplified naturalization before attaining age 32 if he or she resides in Switzerland."
If all children of Swiss people are Swiss through blood, then how could someone whose mother was Swiss by descent need to be naturalized ? I suspect that the principle of triple citizenship level comes into play but I don't know what it is. Perhaps it has to do with succesive generations being born abroad, something along the lines of the British law.
"A foreign child who was born before July 1, 1985 and whose mother acquired Swiss citizenship by descent, adoption or naturalization may apply for simplified naturalization before attaining age 32 if he or she resides in Switzerland."
If all children of Swiss people are Swiss through blood, then how could someone whose mother was Swiss by descent need to be naturalized ? I suspect that the principle of triple citizenship level comes into play but I don't know what it is. Perhaps it has to do with succesive generations being born abroad, something along the lines of the British law.
A generation ago, the majority of countries did not allow mothers to pass on citizenship - in most Western countries the law has changed, but the majority did not actually make the change until the 1970s and 1980s.
Jeremy
May 17th 2005 | 12:19 pm
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Re: Visitor Visa Waiver Program Changes For Waiver Countries
Originally Posted by Biiiiink
It's not peculiarly British, Canada does the same. My son (2nd gen Canadian born abroad) will need to apply to retain citizenship and meet the criteria, or else he will lose it on his 28th birthday. Despite the fact that, we suspect, he will have lived 26 of those yrs in Canada. Thankfully we've read the rules and will apply on his behalf as soon as he's met the requirements. Some Canadian 28yr olds must get a nasty shock.
There has been no publicity campaign on this that I'm aware of and it's likely that most of those affected have no idea that they are no longer Canadian. They may only find out when they try to renew their Canadian passport, sponsor a spouse to migrate to Canada, or try to get Canadian citizenship for an overseas born child.
It is apparently possible even to lose Canadian citizenship even if one becomes stateless as a result.
Jeremy
Jun 1st 2005 | 8:47 pm
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Re: Visitor Visa Waiver Program Changes For Waiver Countries
Originally Posted by dbd33
I take note of the pat on the head but am still wondering what's wrong with the term "Commonwealth passport".
These terms, while not unreasonable in certain contexts, are therefore liable to cause confusion, or worse.
And in the case of EU passports it is doubly problematic because people often seem to assume that the EU is in some way responsible for issuing such passports and, more importantly, for deciding who is eligible to have one - this remains the domain of the nation states.
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Jun 2nd 2005 | 12:07 pm
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Re: Visitor Visa Waiver Program Changes For Waiver Countries
Originally Posted by CPW
And in the case of EU passports it is doubly problematic because people often seem to assume that the EU is in some way responsible for issuing such passports and, more importantly, for deciding who is eligible to have one - this remains the domain of the nation states.
Meddling with people's passports is one of the reason why the EU is so detested by the citizens of many of its member states, as recent referendums show.
Jeremy
