Utility Bills
#16
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My water&electricity is $160 a month and the gas is $110 a month (equal payments over the year - I'm currently well in pocket).
I just filled up with unleaded - 11 and a half gallons (yes DBD, the pump was in gallons alone) for $18 USD, though that's admittedly not an option for anyone except those of us on the border.
I just filled up with unleaded - 11 and a half gallons (yes DBD, the pump was in gallons alone) for $18 USD, though that's admittedly not an option for anyone except those of us on the border.
#17
Joined: May 2008
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Absolutely, the problem with our gas/electricity is that most of the utility companies are now foreign owned (Germany predominantly) and so the government can do very very little to regulate them prices went up by 35-50% this year despite wholesale prices dropping drastically recently. It is amazing how quick they were to put the prices up yet they are refusing to bring them down and it seems there is nothing anyone can do. Same with petrol - prices there at least are coming down but very slowly compared to the price per barrell.
My brother says it is a different type of cold - we are cold and damp. Also we aren't prepared for it at all. The whole area became gridlocked over half an inch of snow because the roads weren't gritted (because the council sold off two of the four gritters in the area).
Oh heck I'm really having a moan tonight aren't I? Sorry.
My brother says it is a different type of cold - we are cold and damp. Also we aren't prepared for it at all. The whole area became gridlocked over half an inch of snow because the roads weren't gritted (because the council sold off two of the four gritters in the area).
Oh heck I'm really having a moan tonight aren't I? Sorry.
#18
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MarkG lives in Saskatchewan which experiences much more severe winters than Toronto, where you're going. During the winter months Toronto may have the infrequent bitterly cold spells but for the most part it's probably the mildest area other than coastal BC. At the moment it's -1C in TO whereas it's -28C where he lives.
I've only been in Ottawa since Monday coming from Leicester.. i was thinking i wouldnt be able to handle the weather but honestly it isnt that bad .. it -15 but feels like -22 now and i have just come indoors .. i wasnt wearing a hat and i didnt put my hood up on my coat .. like you said its a different kind of cold, it is only my fingers that seem to feel the cold.
Also the houses are so insulated here, i didnt put the heating on at all yesterday and it was warm inside ..
You'll be just fine ..
Also the houses are so insulated here, i didnt put the heating on at all yesterday and it was warm inside ..
You'll be just fine ..
My water&electricity is $160 a month and the gas is $110 a month (equal payments over the year - I'm currently well in pocket).
I just filled up with unleaded - 11 and a half gallons (yes DBD, the pump was in gallons alone) for $18 USD, though that's admittedly not an option for anyone except those of us on the border.
I just filled up with unleaded - 11 and a half gallons (yes DBD, the pump was in gallons alone) for $18 USD, though that's admittedly not an option for anyone except those of us on the border.
I have to say I agree it is the grey and damp - it is so dark and dingy today, it is like someone forgot to turn on the lights outside, it has barely got light all week its just so grey and I think that is what gets to me more than anything else, there is nothing to lift your spirits here it is just so depressing.
#19
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Well, it wasn't quite a full tank - more like 3/4 tank, but yea, not far off a tenner to fill up Remember that is US prices though, Canada is slightly more expensive.
#20
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I'm not sure there's anything to build into. My experience of the last four winters since being here is that there it is, it's arrived! Suddenly the temperature drops and we're amidst the white stuff and generally there it stays for the next three or four months.
#21
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We have a business and it had got to the point where we had to really think about whether we could go to a meeting that was going to cost us £60 plus in petrol, it was madness earlier on. Its not quite as bad now although it still costs about £50 to fill up and we don't have a big car really!
Lets just hope the pounds stablises a bit and we can still get almost CAD $2 for a £1 which will help the move and so we will see the real benefit of much lower fuel prices.
#22
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This is prompted by Bear's thread and in particular this comment, which I wholeheartedly agree with:-
We have a four bed detached house which is reasonably small (new build so nothing huge in fact it is 1050 sq ft) in an OK area but again nothing fabulous.
This week we got our water bill which was £750!! On top of that our gas/electricity bills were a further £790.
We work and so are out of the house all day, the kids may have a bath twice a week and the showers are used once a day. Lights are turned off when we leave the room and the heating comes on just 15 minutes before we get up in the morning and goes off after an hour but is on for about four hours in the evening. The only thing that we do that is excessive is we have the dryer on maybe three or four times a week but it is impossible to get the washing dry otherwise.
The house is only 5 years old and has a good energy efficiency rating according to the HIP (translated into waste of bleeding money and yet another way for the government to tax us).
So that is £1540 on utility bills alone!
We are still paying over £1 a litre for diesel, despite wholesale prices plumetting.
This is no small contribution to the reasons for us wanting to leave the UK.
I am wondering how this compares to those of you already there?
We have a four bed detached house which is reasonably small (new build so nothing huge in fact it is 1050 sq ft) in an OK area but again nothing fabulous.
This week we got our water bill which was £750!! On top of that our gas/electricity bills were a further £790.
We work and so are out of the house all day, the kids may have a bath twice a week and the showers are used once a day. Lights are turned off when we leave the room and the heating comes on just 15 minutes before we get up in the morning and goes off after an hour but is on for about four hours in the evening. The only thing that we do that is excessive is we have the dryer on maybe three or four times a week but it is impossible to get the washing dry otherwise.
The house is only 5 years old and has a good energy efficiency rating according to the HIP (translated into waste of bleeding money and yet another way for the government to tax us).
So that is £1540 on utility bills alone!
We are still paying over £1 a litre for diesel, despite wholesale prices plumetting.
This is no small contribution to the reasons for us wanting to leave the UK.
I am wondering how this compares to those of you already there?
You seem to be paying far too much, I'd shop around and switch if I were you!
Last edited by christmasoompa; Dec 14th 2008 at 1:54 pm.
#23
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So the temperatures don't drop over the autumn like they do here (well in theory, in truth it is just rainy and grey all year round)?
#24
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You seem to be paying a ridiculous amount! We are also in a 4 bed detached (1970's), but I'm at home all day with two young children so have heating on all day, and we have at least 2 baths & 2 showers a day between all of us. Washing machine on twice a day, tumble drier at least one a day and dishwasher at least once. But our bills are far less than yours, six monthly water bill between £100-130 and our monthly bill for gas and electricity is £90.
You seem to be paying far too much, I'd shop around and switch if I were you!
You seem to be paying far too much, I'd shop around and switch if I were you!
I'm going to dig it out and have a look
#25
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You see I just don't get it, especially the water bill - how can it be so high? Maybe we need to speak to them to find out why it has gone so ridiculously high - it is about 6 times higher than last year I think. There was a huge waste bill to it as well.
I'm going to dig it out and have a look
I'm going to dig it out and have a look
Hope that helps.
#26
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They want to take our payments from £18.58 per month to £63.43 a month making a total payment for 12 months of £761.38.
When we last got a bill in May we were £58.40 in credit (ie, from the six months previously we had over paid by £58.40). We paid there recommended amount and yet we are now in debt by £188 because we have been underpaying as they put the charges up plus they have put it up to£577.55!
The bill is just so complicated too, it is hard to make out what on earth all the charges are.
So they have doubled the water charges over six months.
Do you know what your cubmic meter reading is from your last bill?
From December to May last year we used 123 cubic metres.
When we last got a bill in May we were £58.40 in credit (ie, from the six months previously we had over paid by £58.40). We paid there recommended amount and yet we are now in debt by £188 because we have been underpaying as they put the charges up plus they have put it up to£577.55!
The bill is just so complicated too, it is hard to make out what on earth all the charges are.
So they have doubled the water charges over six months.
Do you know what your cubmic meter reading is from your last bill?
From December to May last year we used 123 cubic metres.
#27
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around 2600 feet of home and we are home all day
water bills zero we have a well
heating bills zero we have our own wood
council tax $622 a year so around £312 a year
elec $98 a month
oil as back up cost to fill tank $900 might be a lot less less now though as we filled it when oil was at the peak price so far we have used no oil heating at all as the woodburner has been enough to heat the entire home and we have had minus 18
just no comparison with uk uitlities for us
water bills zero we have a well
heating bills zero we have our own wood
council tax $622 a year so around £312 a year
elec $98 a month
oil as back up cost to fill tank $900 might be a lot less less now though as we filled it when oil was at the peak price so far we have used no oil heating at all as the woodburner has been enough to heat the entire home and we have had minus 18
just no comparison with uk uitlities for us
#28
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Right, have got the bill and it's from 14th April - 2nd October (longer than I thought), the total for water is £59.01 which is 52 cubic metres (52 x £0.8752 per cubic metre, plus £13.50 standing charge), then sewerage charge is £27.00 plus standing charge of £22.50. So £108.51 in total.
We have a water meter so it's not estimated, is actual use and it's with Three Valleys Water.
Hope that helps.
We have a water meter so it's not estimated, is actual use and it's with Three Valleys Water.
Hope that helps.
#29
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This is prompted by Bear's thread and in particular this comment, which I wholeheartedly agree with:-
We have a four bed detached house which is reasonably small (new build so nothing huge in fact it is 1050 sq ft) in an OK area but again nothing fabulous.
I am wondering how this compares to those of you already there?
We have a four bed detached house which is reasonably small (new build so nothing huge in fact it is 1050 sq ft) in an OK area but again nothing fabulous.
I am wondering how this compares to those of you already there?
Our first months water bill was $80, $30 of that was supply charges but thats unusual. Electricity was $50, hot water heating, cooker, tumble drier and washer etc. Heating is oil, the full tank cost $1000. looks like its a 1/3 down already.
#30
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Our house is 2700 sq/ft and our monthly bill for electricity is $250 year round. This cover the cost of running a pool, dehumidifier and fans in the summer and heating in the winter. An air exchanger is used most of the year too.
Our main source of heat is by using our ETF system (2 storage heaters) which uses 1/2 or 1/3 price electricity during the night - a great saving and certainly keeps our house nice and warm. We also have baseboard heaters. We have a propane fire in the living room that we use occassionally and a woodstove in the basement which we use probably for around 2-3 months of the year.
Because our electricity is half price (or less) from 11pm til 7am, I use the dryer for laundry at 11pm before going to bed. I also use the timer on my dishwasher to let it run its cycle after 11pm. We also have 1/2 price or 1/3 price electricity all weekend (and on holidays too) so I usually wash the bedding and towels and bulky items then. I hang out my washing during the summer months. Overall, using off-peak electricity makes a good saving on our bills.
Here is the link to NS Power tarriffs for people using ETS System or underfloor heating: http://www.nspower.ca/about_nspi/rat...viceTime.shtml
Our house taxes are $3200 a year because we live within the town boundaries.
Our main source of heat is by using our ETF system (2 storage heaters) which uses 1/2 or 1/3 price electricity during the night - a great saving and certainly keeps our house nice and warm. We also have baseboard heaters. We have a propane fire in the living room that we use occassionally and a woodstove in the basement which we use probably for around 2-3 months of the year.
Because our electricity is half price (or less) from 11pm til 7am, I use the dryer for laundry at 11pm before going to bed. I also use the timer on my dishwasher to let it run its cycle after 11pm. We also have 1/2 price or 1/3 price electricity all weekend (and on holidays too) so I usually wash the bedding and towels and bulky items then. I hang out my washing during the summer months. Overall, using off-peak electricity makes a good saving on our bills.
Here is the link to NS Power tarriffs for people using ETS System or underfloor heating: http://www.nspower.ca/about_nspi/rat...viceTime.shtml
Our house taxes are $3200 a year because we live within the town boundaries.
Last edited by Cookie; Dec 14th 2008 at 7:09 pm. Reason: Link to NS Power added