UK Nurse to Canada - Please Help
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UK Nurse to Canada - Please Help
Hello,
Briefly, myself and my partner plan on emigrating to Vancouver with our two young children in 2023.
My partner is a Registered Nurse here in the UK with a Diploma of Higher Education in Adult Nursing, with 5.5 years of experience in a General Surgical ward and 6 months in Critical Care.
We have emailed BCCNP asking questions who have said she will more than likely be required to complete a competency assessment in Canada & more than likely will need transitional education. Would this transitional education (top up) have to be carried out in Vancouver, or could it be carried out in the UK?
If the above is true and competencies and courses at college/uni are required in Canada then we feel that it will put huge pressure on our family, especially at a time when we’re all trying to settle into the new country. so far it seems virtually impossible to move over to Canada as an International Nurse. How do young families cope?
Is there anyway around this? I heard something about registering with another province with easier terms and then transferring it to BCCNP? How does that even work? Would that mean we would be required to live in another province for a certain period of time before we move to Vancouver?
We feel so deflated at the moment, it really feels like our dream move to Vancouver just isn’t going to happen anymore.
Many Thanks
Anton
Briefly, myself and my partner plan on emigrating to Vancouver with our two young children in 2023.
My partner is a Registered Nurse here in the UK with a Diploma of Higher Education in Adult Nursing, with 5.5 years of experience in a General Surgical ward and 6 months in Critical Care.
We have emailed BCCNP asking questions who have said she will more than likely be required to complete a competency assessment in Canada & more than likely will need transitional education. Would this transitional education (top up) have to be carried out in Vancouver, or could it be carried out in the UK?
If the above is true and competencies and courses at college/uni are required in Canada then we feel that it will put huge pressure on our family, especially at a time when we’re all trying to settle into the new country. so far it seems virtually impossible to move over to Canada as an International Nurse. How do young families cope?
Is there anyway around this? I heard something about registering with another province with easier terms and then transferring it to BCCNP? How does that even work? Would that mean we would be required to live in another province for a certain period of time before we move to Vancouver?
We feel so deflated at the moment, it really feels like our dream move to Vancouver just isn’t going to happen anymore.
Many Thanks
Anton
Last edited by AntonUK; Oct 10th 2019 at 9:41 pm.
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Registering with another province will not always work. Most provincial colleges of nurses require general trained where as UK nurses are specialist trained. Most will require some form of assessment and this could result in further education. Try doing a search for UK nurses to Canada, there have been several threads discussing this and if I remember some provinces will allow online courses but if clinical required may have to come to Canada for that or they may accept clinical done in UK but lots of hurdles to jump
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Hi, I know you are thinking about going to BC but, there is some info on the Alberta Nursing Body (College Association Registered Nurses Alberta) page regards IEN assessments. It states to first have an assessment carried out by NNAS in regards your qualifications.
it is worth also looking at rural nursing as opposed to the main city hospitals. Good luck and hope it all works out for you.
it is worth also looking at rural nursing as opposed to the main city hospitals. Good luck and hope it all works out for you.
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If the above is true and competencies and courses at college/uni are required in Canada then we feel that it will put huge pressure on our family, especially at a time when we’re all trying to settle into the new country. so far it seems virtually impossible to move over to Canada as an International Nurse. How do young families cope?
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You'd be amazed how many jobs in Canada are licensed and have all sorts of hoops to jump through, from electricians to hairdressers, a huge amount of immigrants have to go through a similar process. I'm not sure why it makes it virtually impossible tbh, could she not do any course or exam before you move?
Thank you for the response.
Apparently some courses can be carried out in this country (UK) which is brilliant, but some have to be carried out in BC, and we wouldn't know which courses are required until she carries out the competency tests. To carry out the competency tests, 2 of them can only be carried out in BC, so we would need to make a trip to BC just specifically for this. Once the competency tests are complete then BCCNP review the results and advise you on which courses you are then required to complete. I assume that these courses would not be something that could be completed within a short period of time i.e. a couple of days.
If my partner had to complete these courses in BC rather than the UK, it would mean that the only opportunity to undertake these is when we move over to BC permanently. Unfortunately, this will have a huge impact on finances as she can't practice as a nurse (work as a nurse - earn an income) without completing courses and registering with the BCCNP first.
This would put a lot of pressure on us as my income would need to support the whole family and also pay for the courses until she completes them in BC. This scenario seems near enough impossible to do.
Do you know how other international nurses manage with registering in BC etc.? Is it really this difficult?
Are there any active nurses in this forum who could help us please?
Many Thanks
Anton
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Hi, I am currently going through this process at the moment, it is long, painful and expensive. Hoping and praying it will be worth it in the end.
I applied to NNAS in January 2017, they received all my documents in June 2017, after so many backwards and forwards emails telling me there is no time frame and then requesting more ID documents, (previous ones had expired) and more info from my employer in April 2018, as it had been 17 months since I applied, I finally got a 'comparable result' from them in July 2018. I have a degree, but have not heard many good things about NNAS results with the diploma.
I then applied to BCCNP in July '18, I paid £70 for them to assess that I can speak English and didn't need IELTS.
£300 for the second part of the application ($575 total).
I had to resend them proof of NMC registration because it had been so long since NNAS had the first so that was another £30.
Then paid £323 ($500) for the computer based exam, booked for November this year.
Then paid £895 ($1500) for the practical OSCE which I have to fly to Vancouver for, hoping to do this in Feb but waiting for the 2020 schedule to come out.
I am expecting to have to do some extra courses, hopefully online, in maternity and MH, I have some peads experience so hoping this will cover this part. I know there are the options of online courses, a one year conversion course in Canada, or asking you do a complete resit of the 4 year degree, I don't know if there are any other options that I haven't seen.
I also work in ED, BC don't allow you to work in ED (or ICU) without an extra course, I have looked into this and courses are run through BCIT with online courses, I cant remember of the top my head how much it is but worked out 3x the price of internal students, total 24 credits and around £200 a credit. (I haven't done this as hoping I may be able to convince an employer I have enough experience to bypass this.)
We are going through IEC because we are under 30, then after a year of skill level A work will have enough points to hopefully have an early selection out the pools for EE.
Hopefully this helps!
I applied to NNAS in January 2017, they received all my documents in June 2017, after so many backwards and forwards emails telling me there is no time frame and then requesting more ID documents, (previous ones had expired) and more info from my employer in April 2018, as it had been 17 months since I applied, I finally got a 'comparable result' from them in July 2018. I have a degree, but have not heard many good things about NNAS results with the diploma.
I then applied to BCCNP in July '18, I paid £70 for them to assess that I can speak English and didn't need IELTS.
£300 for the second part of the application ($575 total).
I had to resend them proof of NMC registration because it had been so long since NNAS had the first so that was another £30.
Then paid £323 ($500) for the computer based exam, booked for November this year.
Then paid £895 ($1500) for the practical OSCE which I have to fly to Vancouver for, hoping to do this in Feb but waiting for the 2020 schedule to come out.
I am expecting to have to do some extra courses, hopefully online, in maternity and MH, I have some peads experience so hoping this will cover this part. I know there are the options of online courses, a one year conversion course in Canada, or asking you do a complete resit of the 4 year degree, I don't know if there are any other options that I haven't seen.
I also work in ED, BC don't allow you to work in ED (or ICU) without an extra course, I have looked into this and courses are run through BCIT with online courses, I cant remember of the top my head how much it is but worked out 3x the price of internal students, total 24 credits and around £200 a credit. (I haven't done this as hoping I may be able to convince an employer I have enough experience to bypass this.)
We are going through IEC because we are under 30, then after a year of skill level A work will have enough points to hopefully have an early selection out the pools for EE.
Hopefully this helps!
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Maybe I'm missing something, but if they do have to be done in person, why can't she fly over and do it before you move permanently? That's what most seem to do, whether they're plumbers, beauty therapists, or nurses. If you're not moving until 2023 she'd have plenty of time to do it beforehand and hopefully be able to move and start working quite quickly (although the usual caveat applies for both of you, to make sure you can support yourselves for at least 6 months in case you don't find work easily).
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Also be aware not always easy getting full time positions unless going rural as nursing is heavily unionized and a lot start casual and work up to full time
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Hi, I am currently going through this process at the moment, it is long, painful and expensive. Hoping and praying it will be worth it in the end.
I applied to NNAS in January 2017, they received all my documents in June 2017, after so many backwards and forwards emails telling me there is no time frame and then requesting more ID documents, (previous ones had expired) and more info from my employer in April 2018, as it had been 17 months since I applied, I finally got a 'comparable result' from them in July 2018. I have a degree, but have not heard many good things about NNAS results with the diploma.
I then applied to BCCNP in July '18, I paid £70 for them to assess that I can speak English and didn't need IELTS.
£300 for the second part of the application ($575 total).
I had to resend them proof of NMC registration because it had been so long since NNAS had the first so that was another £30.
Then paid £323 ($500) for the computer based exam, booked for November this year.
Then paid £895 ($1500) for the practical OSCE which I have to fly to Vancouver for, hoping to do this in Feb but waiting for the 2020 schedule to come out.
I am expecting to have to do some extra courses, hopefully online, in maternity and MH, I have some peads experience so hoping this will cover this part. I know there are the options of online courses, a one year conversion course in Canada, or asking you do a complete resit of the 4 year degree, I don't know if there are any other options that I haven't seen.
I also work in ED, BC don't allow you to work in ED (or ICU) without an extra course, I have looked into this and courses are run through BCIT with online courses, I cant remember of the top my head how much it is but worked out 3x the price of internal students, total 24 credits and around £200 a credit. (I haven't done this as hoping I may be able to convince an employer I have enough experience to bypass this.)
We are going through IEC because we are under 30, then after a year of skill level A work will have enough points to hopefully have an early selection out the pools for EE.
Hopefully this helps!
I applied to NNAS in January 2017, they received all my documents in June 2017, after so many backwards and forwards emails telling me there is no time frame and then requesting more ID documents, (previous ones had expired) and more info from my employer in April 2018, as it had been 17 months since I applied, I finally got a 'comparable result' from them in July 2018. I have a degree, but have not heard many good things about NNAS results with the diploma.
I then applied to BCCNP in July '18, I paid £70 for them to assess that I can speak English and didn't need IELTS.
£300 for the second part of the application ($575 total).
I had to resend them proof of NMC registration because it had been so long since NNAS had the first so that was another £30.
Then paid £323 ($500) for the computer based exam, booked for November this year.
Then paid £895 ($1500) for the practical OSCE which I have to fly to Vancouver for, hoping to do this in Feb but waiting for the 2020 schedule to come out.
I am expecting to have to do some extra courses, hopefully online, in maternity and MH, I have some peads experience so hoping this will cover this part. I know there are the options of online courses, a one year conversion course in Canada, or asking you do a complete resit of the 4 year degree, I don't know if there are any other options that I haven't seen.
I also work in ED, BC don't allow you to work in ED (or ICU) without an extra course, I have looked into this and courses are run through BCIT with online courses, I cant remember of the top my head how much it is but worked out 3x the price of internal students, total 24 credits and around £200 a credit. (I haven't done this as hoping I may be able to convince an employer I have enough experience to bypass this.)
We are going through IEC because we are under 30, then after a year of skill level A work will have enough points to hopefully have an early selection out the pools for EE.
Hopefully this helps!
Yes it's an extremely long process and seems to be extremely frustrating for everyone who does it. I hope everything works out for you in the end and you become registered!
Could I ask what your degree was? And how many years of experience you have working as a nurse and in what area?
Many Thanks
Anton
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Maybe I'm missing something, but if they do have to be done in person, why can't she fly over and do it before you move permanently? That's what most seem to do, whether they're plumbers, beauty therapists, or nurses. If you're not moving until 2023 she'd have plenty of time to do it beforehand and hopefully be able to move and start working quite quickly (although the usual caveat applies for both of you, to make sure you can support yourselves for at least 6 months in case you don't find work easily).
If all of the courses could be completed here in the UK while shes still working then that would be absolutely brilliant. Then when shes completed them and registered then she could search for vacancies and apply before we move permanently.
To me it seems that Canada makes it as difficult and as expensive as possible for an International Nurse to work in the country. I presume its because they're trying to protect their own nurses? But i've recently read an article on the internet which states that Canada is on track to have a shortage of 60,000 nurses in the next 2 years. I can see this shortage increasing with the ever so strict and difficult process to register.
Article https://www.canadim.com/blog/canada-...00-new-nurses/
Apologies, I don't understand that, seems strange. Could you elaborate more please?
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Hi Ponylife,
Yes it's an extremely long process and seems to be extremely frustrating for everyone who does it. I hope everything works out for you in the end and you become registered!
Could I ask what your degree was? And how many years of experience you have working as a nurse and in what area?
Many Thanks
Anton
Yes it's an extremely long process and seems to be extremely frustrating for everyone who does it. I hope everything works out for you in the end and you become registered!
Could I ask what your degree was? And how many years of experience you have working as a nurse and in what area?
Many Thanks
Anton
It may or may not make a difference to what BCCNP ask her to do but I don't know if a non comparable gets straight to NCAS for assessments or have to do something before that. Seems NNAS is irrelevant if they do the same assessments no matter what the result.
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Depends on the duration of the course. If she did have to do that then she would be leaving her family here in the UK until the courses are complete, which I highly doubt she or anybody else would want to do.
If all of the courses could be completed here in the UK while shes still working then that would be absolutely brilliant. Then when shes completed them and registered then she could search for vacancies and apply before we move permanently.
To me it seems that Canada makes it as difficult and as expensive as possible for an International Nurse to work in the country. I presume its because they're trying to protect their own nurses? But i've recently read an article on the internet which states that Canada is on track to have a shortage of 60,000 nurses in the next 2 years. I can see this shortage increasing with the ever so strict and difficult process to register.
Article https://www.canadim.com/blog/canada-...00-new-nurses/
Apologies, I don't understand that, seems strange. Could you elaborate more please?
If all of the courses could be completed here in the UK while shes still working then that would be absolutely brilliant. Then when shes completed them and registered then she could search for vacancies and apply before we move permanently.
To me it seems that Canada makes it as difficult and as expensive as possible for an International Nurse to work in the country. I presume its because they're trying to protect their own nurses? But i've recently read an article on the internet which states that Canada is on track to have a shortage of 60,000 nurses in the next 2 years. I can see this shortage increasing with the ever so strict and difficult process to register.
Article https://www.canadim.com/blog/canada-...00-new-nurses/
Apologies, I don't understand that, seems strange. Could you elaborate more please?
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Best of luck, hope your wife doesn't have to do too much.
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Hi there,
I am currently coming to the end of this process. I am from BC and lived in the UK for 11 years with my British husband. I did my nursing degree in the UK, getting a BSc (Hons) First Class in adult nursing in 2015. I first applied to NNAS in late 2016, did NCAS in August 2017. BCCNP required me to do the full “bridging” program.
This program is offered by 2 universities. Kwantlen in Langley and Thompson Rivers University in Kamloops. Kwantlen is a 1 year full-time program. TRU is offered through OpenLearning, but is specific for students that have Canadian Healthcare experience, either as a HCA or LPN. i applied and got accepted onto both, getting onto the open learning program on my education and experience working as a Certified Dental Assistant in Canada before moving to the UK.
I started TRU’s program in April 2018, doing my theory modules in the UK. We moved back to BC as a family in July 2019. There are two components of TRU’s program that need to be completed in BC, a 4 day clinical skills session in Kamloops that I did in August, and a 8 week practicum that I start next week. I should be finished by mid December and hope that my provisional registration from BCCNP comes in by early January. After that I will be eligible to write NCLEX, and you are given a year to do it.
How do we cope as a young family? (we have a 3 year old)... we are lucky enough that we are staying with my Mom, and my husband managed to land and start a job by September. I am still currently unemployed, as it was too difficult to find a job knowing that I had a full-time practicum coming up. Still, despite living rent-free, being both being unemployed for 10 weeks and the expenses of moving abroad took nearly all of our savings. Plus TRU’s program is not eligible for student loans and has cost more then $10000. But still, we are aware that we have had a easier time then a lot of internationally educated nurses or people looking to immigrate and for that we are grateful.
So it isn’t impossible, but it is certainly incredibly difficult and expensive. I hope that helps you have a idea of what the process looks like. Best of luck to you and your family 🙂
(posted by Brooks52’s Mrs)
I am currently coming to the end of this process. I am from BC and lived in the UK for 11 years with my British husband. I did my nursing degree in the UK, getting a BSc (Hons) First Class in adult nursing in 2015. I first applied to NNAS in late 2016, did NCAS in August 2017. BCCNP required me to do the full “bridging” program.
This program is offered by 2 universities. Kwantlen in Langley and Thompson Rivers University in Kamloops. Kwantlen is a 1 year full-time program. TRU is offered through OpenLearning, but is specific for students that have Canadian Healthcare experience, either as a HCA or LPN. i applied and got accepted onto both, getting onto the open learning program on my education and experience working as a Certified Dental Assistant in Canada before moving to the UK.
I started TRU’s program in April 2018, doing my theory modules in the UK. We moved back to BC as a family in July 2019. There are two components of TRU’s program that need to be completed in BC, a 4 day clinical skills session in Kamloops that I did in August, and a 8 week practicum that I start next week. I should be finished by mid December and hope that my provisional registration from BCCNP comes in by early January. After that I will be eligible to write NCLEX, and you are given a year to do it.
How do we cope as a young family? (we have a 3 year old)... we are lucky enough that we are staying with my Mom, and my husband managed to land and start a job by September. I am still currently unemployed, as it was too difficult to find a job knowing that I had a full-time practicum coming up. Still, despite living rent-free, being both being unemployed for 10 weeks and the expenses of moving abroad took nearly all of our savings. Plus TRU’s program is not eligible for student loans and has cost more then $10000. But still, we are aware that we have had a easier time then a lot of internationally educated nurses or people looking to immigrate and for that we are grateful.
So it isn’t impossible, but it is certainly incredibly difficult and expensive. I hope that helps you have a idea of what the process looks like. Best of luck to you and your family 🙂
(posted by Brooks52’s Mrs)
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I did adult nursing, have done 2 years in neurosurg/neurology ward and then a year in ED, expect to be here another year before it's all ready. The issue is NNAS don't seem to take experience into account, they compare all modules /assessment to the Canadian degree and the comparable/non comparable parts come from that. If you send me your email I'll be happy to send you my report so she could see what they assess against her diploma.
It may or may not make a difference to what BCCNP ask her to do but I don't know if a non comparable gets straight to NCAS for assessments or have to do something before that. Seems NNAS is irrelevant if they do the same assessments no matter what the result.
It may or may not make a difference to what BCCNP ask her to do but I don't know if a non comparable gets straight to NCAS for assessments or have to do something before that. Seems NNAS is irrelevant if they do the same assessments no matter what the result.
Hi, sorry do jump in, but could you share the nnas report with me too.. just to, as you said, compare what they are assessing against their requirements.. i ve been waiting for ages and keep getting the "you are under review" for the last 30 weeks (since it was made "ready for review)..
Thanks !!