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Re: Tried and failed!
Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
(Post 8654261)
Interesting point. If your policy was implemented, one wonders how many immigrants from relatively affluent countries would come, is it worth giving up the security of the NHS etc., to live as part of an underclass?
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Re: Tried and failed!
Originally Posted by dbd33
(Post 8654289)
I know of a dozen or so from London and two from Ireland. What they have in common is that, at the time of arriving, they were relatively young, skilled, and without partners or children. Ideal immigrants, some would say.
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Re: Tried and failed!
Originally Posted by John_B
(Post 8654152)
My sentiments entirely.
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Re: Tried and failed!
Originally Posted by dbd33
(Post 8654289)
I know of a dozen or so from London and two from Ireland. What they have in common is that, at the time of arriving, they were relatively young, skilled, and without partners or children. Ideal immigrants, some would say.
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Re: Tried and failed!
Originally Posted by dbd33
(Post 8654249)
Firstly, I don't think going back is failure, if the OP is happier in the UK then that's how it is, no failure there. Secondly, I agree that three months isn't long enough to know.
However, I don't agree with the rest. The ideal immigrants are the ones who will settle down here and have lots of Canadian children, and grandchildren. The country needs to address it's aging population and it's long-term labour shortages more than the short-term. |
Re: Tried and failed!
Originally Posted by Alan2005
(Post 8652988)
If you are burning your way through your savings then you have to throw the towel in at some point.
Originally Posted by edmontron
(Post 8654120)
One advantage of going back so quickly is that it will be very easy to slot back into UK society. Once you've been away for a couple of years it is a different country you come back to!
Originally Posted by dbd33
(Post 8654249)
Firstly, I don't think going back is failure, if the OP is happier in the UK then that's how it is, no failure there. Secondly, I agree that three months isn't long enough to know.
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Re: Tried and failed!
Originally Posted by Top Cat
(Post 8650181)
So,
To cut a very long story short.. we moved to Calgary in March this year and embarked upon this life we had been planning for years. Hubby got a job relatively early, which is good but it doesnt pay good and we are having to subsidise with our little pot of savings... I have hit a brick wall regarding my work as a nurse.. Just No jobs, and no point in getting registered to work in Alberta as they dont have enough jobs for their own newly qualified nurses..:thumbdown: Anyhow our children are little and I am enjoying spending time with them:thumbup: but boy am I lonely! I have tried mom and toddler groups and moms at the school, but I feel that Canadian moms keep to themselves.. ' a generalisation I know but true in my case'. I have always prided myself on being a good communicator and able to make friens easily.. not here! I know its still early days... but hubby feels the same! I am not down about Canada as it is a wonderful country and a better place for children..I think.. We cannot survive here being so unhappy.. financially its crippling us! All in all, we miss family so much and have decided to return to the UK:unsure: Im sure lots of you will say..'its early days stick at it' and ' didnt you know this before you moved'. So......... if anyone is looking for a nice house to rent in Copperfield, Calgary from mid August let me know... oh and a Dodge caravan with low kms to buy... send me a pm if anyone is interested. No negative replies please as im pretty fed up already.. Regards Top Cat:) Can I give you some advice for what it is worth. In 2003 my hubby, our then 5 year old daughter and myself emigrated to the USA to New Mexico. We were like you - we were finally living our dream. Anyway long story short we stayed for 18 months and I wanted to move back, unable to work, lonely, etc. We went back and it was only then (And this is what you need to remember) THAT ALL THE REASONS WHY WE MOVED IN THE FIRST PLACE CAME FLOODING BACK!!! We realised that we did not belong in the UK anymore. People you know back there move on without you andyou have also moved on. Anway fast forward, in 2008 we emigrated (Did you know that people who emigrate and bounce back to native lands - 85% of these people re-emigrate!) to Saskatchewan, Canada..............and the rest is history. LOve it!! They say timelines are as follows 1 - 6 Months - Holiday every day feeling period 6 - 12 Months - Realise what you have done 12 - 36 months - Start to feel you want to go back to the UK If you survive 3 years most people have got over the honeymoon period and stay put. I know you will have been told "you are leaving too soon" etc and I like you didn't listen, boy do I wished I had and given it a little longer as this moving to and from has cost us a LOT of money Julie |
Re: Tried and failed!
Originally Posted by schumachergal
(Post 8654922)
Hey TC
Can I give you some advice for what it is worth. In 2003 my hubby, our then 5 year old daughter and myself emigrated to the USA to New Mexico. We were like you - we were finally living our dream. Anyway long story short we stayed for 18 months and I wanted to move back, unable to work, lonely, etc. We went back and it was only then (And this is what you need to remember) THAT ALL THE REASONS WHY WE MOVED IN THE FIRST PLACE CAME FLOODING BACK!!! We realised that we did not belong in the UK anymore. People you know back there move on without you andyou have also moved on. Anway fast forward, in 2008 we emigrated (Did you know that people who emigrate and bounce back to native lands - 85% of these people re-emigrate!) to Saskatchewan, Canada..............and the rest is history. LOve it!! They say timelines are as follows 1 - 6 Months - Holiday every day feeling period 6 - 12 Months - Realise what you have done 12 - 36 months - Start to feel you want to go back to the UK If you survive 3 years most people have got over the honeymoon period and stay put. I know you will have been told "you are leaving too soon" etc and I like you didn't listen, boy do I wished I had and given it a little longer as this moving to and from has cost us a LOT of money Julie |
Re: Tried and failed!
Originally Posted by Gremmie
(Post 8652161)
Why is hubby not earning enough, ? did you not research before you came his earning potential? or are you just spending/renting to high ? And giving in after barely 3 months. I know you didn't want any negative replies and i dont meen to be hurtfull, but it seems to me that you only have yourselves to blame for your plight. I dont consider that you have tried and that you have just given up.:o
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Re: Tried and failed!
Originally Posted by elizabeth_action
(Post 8658124)
:thumbdown:
Saskatchewan are CRYING out for nurses and the economy here is booming and a lot cheaper to live here in Saskatoon than Calgary......and health care is free straight away. Think seriously beofre you do anything, if you need to just PM me for someone to talk to. Julie |
Re: Tried and failed!
Top Cat - hello - I didn't respond straight away, as I wasn't really sure what I wanted to say!
The most relevant thing I can say, I think, is that we totally empathise with your thought processes! Not at three months, but certainly before the six months were up, there were many issues "not going to plan", specifically on the work front. It really is bloody hard when you can't find a satisfying job, and financial worries loom large. If work is wonderful and satisfying but even if it is poorly paid, you can inhabit a more positive outlook that things will get better, and "hanging on in there" seems more feasible. If work is not forthcoming, or is not at all satisfying and is also poorly paid, it's hard to see a way forward. And every penny is resentfully handed over. Been there - eaten baked beans on toast to prove it! I personally do not see it as a failure - but you will, and you will perceive that other people will think this. Get over that, quickly! It's your life - do what you know is right for you. 10% of me still thinks we should have just quit and buggered off back to the UK within that first year. 90% of me is glad we muddled on, and I really am mostly grateful for all we have here and how things have panned out. It's not perfect, but I don't expect it to be. :p I truly wish you all well - job satisfaction is a massive element to life - all I can suggest is don't make decisions in a hasty, panicky mode - definitely take a few metaphorical deep breaths and do the old "head" and "heart" conversation a few times. I suspect you have already done this and "return" is the answer for you. Good luck. |
Re: Tried and failed!
Originally Posted by Top Cat
(Post 8652980)
Thank you for your negative reply.
Firstly research, We spent 3 months in Calgary in 2007 conducting research, a further 3 weeks in Ontario in June last year and a further week in Oct last year researching our move. I think that question is now answered. I have 14 years Nursing experience, with a degree, and I also have 8 years Policing experience. We fully researched work and sent e mails from the UK but were always faced with the same response, 'we are interested and would consider your application hawever not untill you land in Calgary and in a position to commit'. Since landing the only work hubby has only been able to secure (with 10 years Police experience) is a $15 per hour Security position. He was always willing to start at the bottom however after 4 months and no fresh opportunities coming up we are faced with the decision, stay and fund our stay spending a big portion of our savings, which we would need for a deposit on a home in the hope something comes up but with the risk of 12 month down the line being in rented, in the same working position but with no deposit for a home.. OR return back to the UK where we can start back working at the same place we left with good pay. We came Canada in the hope of being able to secure jobs with an average pay that would pay enough to provide a home with enough left over to allow us enjoy some of the outdoor living. It just so happens that although it works out for many people it just hasn't for us. If it was just myself and my OH then we would probably last out a little longer however we take being a parent and being able to provide for our family very seriously and with banks both in Canada and the UK now refusing to give morgages to people with less the 10% deposit, if I use up all our money then it could put buying a house back by 5 years or more. Not a position that i want to find myself in. I know you mentioned research but moving over to Canada this did not happen over night. From the point that we evaluated everything and decided 100% to move it was a further 6 months after that when we landed.... alot happens in 6 months, the Pound lost even more strength against the Dollar and the forcast that work opportunities were about to open didnt and still have'nt happened. I would never put anyone off coming over here and giving it a go. If i knew 6 months ago what i know now I would still have come over. I have met some great people and enjoyed all the challenges but when you find yourself every month using up more and more of your savings, you eventually are forced into making a decision. Stay with big risks or go back, (Hubby was earning 3 times what he earns here), buy a house and come out to Canada every other year on holiday. We love Canada and would prefer to leave Canada still loving the country rather then stay a little longer and risk leaving feeling bitter and dissapointed. I do understand that we should give it longer.. as 4 months is no trial really.. but if your lonely, under financial pressure and you can see no light at the end the Uk is more promising for us in the current climate. No doubt when I get back to the Uk and start work, dealing with sex offences and nasty assaults etc.. Seeing the worst of the Uk in all its glory !!I will wish that things worked out here.. I need stability for my family.. Thank you to all who have PM'd me.. as usual you are all a fantastic support and taking the time to read and reply to me. Top Cat:) |
Re: Tried and failed!
Hey TC
People that see you as a failure are normally the jealous people back in the UK that don't have the balls to do what we have done. Don't see yourself as a failure, when we went back people were supportive for us. But here in Saskatoon, they are recruiting Police here, they are short and I told you previously they are screaming for nurses here. Get over here, you have one friend waiting for you to help you thru it. Saskatoon is a great place to live. Julie |
Re: Tried and failed!
Originally Posted by schumachergal
(Post 8659125)
Hey TC
People that see you as a failure are normally the jealous people back in the UK that don't have the balls to do what we have done. Don't see yourself as a failure, when we went back people were supportive for us. But here in Saskatoon, they are recruiting Police here, they are short and I told you previously they are screaming for nurses here. Get over here, you have one friend waiting for you to help you thru it. Saskatoon is a great place to live. Julie |
Re: Tried and failed!
Three months feels like a long time when you are not having fun. I doubt anyone immigrated and everything was as they expected.
My OH decided when she came out that she was going to give it three years, get citizenship and then if she did not feel settled she was going to go back. 15+ years later we're still here. It was not easy those first few years though. The only failure is wanting something and not trying. We've all been there too one way or another I suspect. |
Re: Tried and failed!
Originally Posted by Auld Yin
(Post 8659152)
I apologize for disagreeing with you but I've been to lovely Saskatoon a number of times and didn't find police officers any shorter than anywhere else in Canada.
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Re: Tried and failed!
Originally Posted by schumachergal
(Post 8659255)
I still say there is a shortage of Police here, otherwise why would they say they need to recruit to get more Police !
You know that infamous UK humour that Canadians don't get. :p |
Re: Tried and failed!
Originally Posted by Steve_P
(Post 8659293)
Aul Yin was referring to height. ;)
You know that infamous UK humour that Canadians don't get. :p |
Re: Tried and failed!
Originally Posted by Top Cat
(Post 8652980)
Thank you for your negative reply.
Firstly research, We spent 3 months in Calgary in 2007 conducting research, a further 3 weeks in Ontario in June last year and a further week in Oct last year researching our move. I think that question is now answered. I have 14 years Nursing experience, with a degree, and I also have 8 years Policing experience. We fully researched work and sent e mails from the UK but were always faced with the same response, 'we are interested and would consider your application hawever not untill you land in Calgary and in a position to commit'. Since landing the only work hubby has only been able to secure (with 10 years Police experience) is a $15 per hour Security position. He was always willing to start at the bottom however after 4 months and no fresh opportunities coming up we are faced with the decision, stay and fund our stay spending a big portion of our savings, which we would need for a deposit on a home in the hope something comes up but with the risk of 12 month down the line being in rented, in the same working position but with no deposit for a home.. OR return back to the UK where we can start back working at the same place we left with good pay. We came Canada in the hope of being able to secure jobs with an average pay that would pay enough to provide a home with enough left over to allow us enjoy some of the outdoor living. It just so happens that although it works out for many people it just hasn't for us. If it was just myself and my OH then we would probably last out a little longer however we take being a parent and being able to provide for our family very seriously and with banks both in Canada and the UK now refusing to give morgages to people with less the 10% deposit, if I use up all our money then it could put buying a house back by 5 years or more. Not a position that i want to find myself in. I know you mentioned research but moving over to Canada this did not happen over night. From the point that we evaluated everything and decided 100% to move it was a further 6 months after that when we landed.... alot happens in 6 months, the Pound lost even more strength against the Dollar and the forcast that work opportunities were about to open didnt and still have'nt happened. I would never put anyone off coming over here and giving it a go. If i knew 6 months ago what i know now I would still have come over. I have met some great people and enjoyed all the challenges but when you find yourself every month using up more and more of your savings, you eventually are forced into making a decision. Stay with big risks or go back, (Hubby was earning 3 times what he earns here), buy a house and come out to Canada every other year on holiday. We love Canada and would prefer to leave Canada still loving the country rather then stay a little longer and risk leaving feeling bitter and dissapointed. I do understand that we should give it longer.. as 4 months is no trial really.. but if your lonely, under financial pressure and you can see no light at the end the Uk is more promising for us in the current climate. No doubt when I get back to the Uk and start work, dealing with sex offences and nasty assaults etc.. Seeing the worst of the Uk in all its glory !!I will wish that things worked out here.. I need stability for my family.. Thank you to all who have PM'd me.. as usual you are all a fantastic support and taking the time to read and reply to me. Top Cat:) You have likely already considered nursing positions in clinics or private facilities if not that might be worth a look. Or as Schumachergal has said take a look at Saskatoon. Best of luck with whatever you decide. |
Re: Tried and failed!
I agree three months is no time at all in trying to feel settled and comfortable with your different (in all regards) life. I have only been here 7 months and had a wobble at around 3 months and again about a month ago (which was brought on with the loss of my dog in an accident whom we brought with us from England).
Like you, my hubby is working but I don't get a look in despite being highly qualified in my field. I am following a different career path and working for myself but yet to earn anything but I still feel like I have been working at it for such a short period of time. I cannot advise you but you don't sound to me like you are desperate to go back just feeling at odds with how things are right now. I was told before I went to Canada to give it a year, which I think is sound advice. Your are on an emotional rollercoaster right now and although you might want to get off, it could be a bit dangerous to do so! Hope you can ride your way through. Good luck :D |
Re: Tried and failed!
Originally Posted by Top Cat
(Post 8650181)
So,
To cut a very long story short.. we moved to Calgary in March this year and embarked upon this life we had been planning for years. Hubby got a job relatively early, which is good but it doesnt pay good and we are having to subsidise with our little pot of savings... I have hit a brick wall regarding my work as a nurse.. Just No jobs, and no point in getting registered to work in Alberta as they dont have enough jobs for their own newly qualified nurses..:thumbdown: Anyhow our children are little and I am enjoying spending time with them:thumbup: but boy am I lonely! I have tried mom and toddler groups and moms at the school, but I feel that Canadian moms keep to themselves.. ' a generalisation I know but true in my case'. I have always prided myself on being a good communicator and able to make friens easily.. not here! I know its still early days... but hubby feels the same! I am not down about Canada as it is a wonderful country and a better place for children..I think.. We cannot survive here being so unhappy.. financially its crippling us! All in all, we miss family so much and have decided to return to the UK:unsure: Im sure lots of you will say..'its early days stick at it' and ' didnt you know this before you moved'. So......... if anyone is looking for a nice house to rent in Copperfield, Calgary from mid August let me know... oh and a Dodge caravan with low kms to buy... send me a pm if anyone is interested. No negative replies please as im pretty fed up already.. Regards Top Cat:) There is no doubt that financially, unless you come with pre-arranged employment, that it puts tremendous pressure on your lives. I dread to think how much of our savings we've poured into our new lives here so far. For so many of us who arrive with PR and no jobs, it's a huge risk. There have been times when we have seriously considered whether we could afford to stay here. I guess at the root of it all is a desperation on our part not to return to the UK, and finally, after 18 months, our financial situation is beginning to improve. We're still not nearly earning as much as we did before, but we're clawing our way back gradually! I totally understand your desperation and worry, and if you feel that you must return to the UK to survive, then all I would say is DONT close the door on your dreams here. It sounds like you have many positive feelings about Canada and if you have PR, then you could still return, should jobs in your field become more plentiful in the next year or so. Maybe it's more a case of 'right place - wrong time' than 'wrong decision altogether'. Keep positive, take care and good luck. Oh and we're just down the road in Okotoks if you fancy a cuppa and a shoulder...... |
Re: Tried and failed!
Regarding nursing jobs, I know there was a complete freeze for a while and I realise that most if not all of the current postings, (and there at least a couple of hundred in Calgary at the moment), are for internal candidates only, but I do believe this will change.
We have seen it in physiotherapy. First the freeze lifts, then they advertise for internal candidates, and THEN they will HAVE to advertise externally for all thos ejobs they cannot fill with internal candidates. It IS what is happening in physio, and I'm CERTAIN it will be the same with nurses as there are just not enough people currently in the system to fill all the positions. I guess what I am saying is a) I agree with folks that you've just "hit the wall" as regards immigration, and you need to give it longer to get over this hump, and b) the lack of nursing posts currently is not a good enough reason to throw it all away ... unless of course it's what you want to do, or you really cannot afford to stay, in which case good luck with your return. However, I know a few people who would have returned several times over in their first year, had it been possible, but end up being well pleased that they stuck it out after all. |
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