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Not long in from work and the wife was watching Tonight with Trevor McDonald.
It was about the new craze sweeping Britian called "HAPPY SLAPPING" Well what a shock I got. Was I not sickened by this so called craze by the teenagers in the UK. They were actually picking people at random in the street, planning their attack, going up the person and slapping or punching them across the face. Whilst they were doing this it was being videoed by their mates on a bloody mobile camera phone. This made me sick, mad, angry as hell !!!!!! In one video they actually set fire to a man who had fell asleep at a bus stop The f***ers who did this were caught and sentenced to a measly 61/2 years in a young offenders institution. I would do time for any of these mindless a**holes who harmed anyone who I knew in this way. What is this country coming to. They interviewed a teenager who actually thought it was funny at first, but then he realised how much damage they were actually doing. As the programme went on, these morons were finding worse things to do to total strangers. One clip showed a person being hit by a traffic cone on the head. This person was knocked clean out. Another showed a young ned actually running at a man and punching him in the face, again this person was knocked out on the pavement, all of these hideous acts of brutallity were filmed on camera phones. Another showed an elderly man on bus being slapped about his face This so called craze is that bad that schools are actually running drama classes in school as part of lessons, on how these acts affect the victims. I just do not know what has happened in the UK for these f***ers to invent this sort of brutal assault in innocent bystanders. I have seen most things that would shock the majority of people whilst working in the prison, but this was, christ I dont know what to say !!!!!!!! I can only say that after watching this programme I have made the right decision to part company with the UK, as it is only going to get worse and the nutters are definately taking over the asylum. A shocked Eddie |
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This is really awful, I was reading about it on the BBC website this morning.
However I think the media are partly to blame! They are running programs on it, so there are bound to be loads of copycat attacks!
Originally Posted by Voyager970
Not long in from work and the wife was watching Tonight with Trevor McDonald.
It was about the new craze sweeping Britian called "HAPPY SLAPPING" Well what a shock I got. Was I not sickened by this so called craze by the teenagers in the UK. They were actually picking people at random in the street, planning their attack, going up the person and slapping or punching them across the face. Whilst they were doing this it was being videoed by their mates on a bloody mobile camera phone. This made me sick, mad, angry as hell !!!!!! In one video they actually set fire to a man who had fell asleep at a bus stop The f***ers who did this were caught and sentenced to a measly 61/2 years in a young offenders institution. I would do time for any of these mindless a**holes who harmed anyone who I knew in this way. What is this country coming to. They interviewed a teenager who actually thought it was funny at first, but then he realised how much damage they were actually doing. As the programme went on, these morons were finding worse things to do to total strangers. One clip showed a person being hit by a traffic cone on the head. This person was knocked clean out. Another showed a young ned actually running at a man and punching him in the face, again this person was knocked out on the pavement, all of these hideous acts of brutallity were filmed on camera phones. Another showed an elderly man on bus being slapped about his face This so called craze is that bad that schools are actually running drama classes in school as part of lessons, on how these acts affect the victims. I just do not know what has happened in the UK for these f***ers to invent this sort of brutal assault in innocent bystanders. I have seen most things that would shock the majority of people whilst working in the prison, but this was, christ I dont know what to say !!!!!!!! I can only say that after watching this programme I have made the right decision to part company with the UK, as it is only going to get worse and the nutters are definately taking over the asylum. A shocked Eddie |
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The UK youth have gone to the dogs ....they get worse and worse
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Originally Posted by Interested
This is really awful, I was reading about it on the BBC website this morning.
However I think the media are partly to blame! They are running programs on it, so there are bound to be loads of copycat attacks! See these links http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/4539317.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4539913.stm Now that it has been shown all over the UK there will be copy cat attacks all over the UK. I dread to think what will happen now this has been shown to a UK wide audience Quote form one web site Concern over rise of 'happy slapping' craze Fad of filming violent attacks on mobile phones spreads Mark Honigsbaum Tuesday April 26, 2005 The Guardian In one video clip, labelled Bitch Slap, a youth approaches a woman at a bus stop and punches her in the face. In another, Knockout Punch, a group of boys wearing uniforms are shown leading another boy across an unidentified school playground before flooring him with a single blow to the head. In a third, Bank Job, a teenager is seen assaulting a hole-in-the-wall customer while another youth grabs the money he has just withdrawn from the cash machine. Welcome to the disturbing world of the "happy slappers" - a youth craze in which groups of teenagers armed with camera phones slap or mug unsuspecting children or passersby while capturing the attacks on 3g technology. According to police and anti-bullying organisations, the fad, which began as a craze on the UK garage music scene before catching on in school playgrounds across the capital last autumn, is now a nationwide phenomenon. And as the craze has spread from London to the home counties to the north of England, so the attacks have become more menacing, with increasing numbers of violent assaults and adult victims. In London, British Transport police have investigated 200 happy slapping incidents in the past six months, with eight people charged with attacks at south London stations and bus stops in January alone. The Metropolitan police have no overall figures but recorded a number of attacks in London boroughs earlier this year. Following a spate of random attacks last December on pupils at Godolphin and Latymer girls' school in Hammersmith, west London, police posted extra officers in the area as a deterrent. But as police have become more vigilant, so the gangs have become more sophisticated, seeking victims in parks or public areas where their crimes are unlikely to be spotted by the authorities or captured on CCTV. Liz Carnell, the director of Bullying Online, a Yorkshire-based charity set up to combat bullying in schools, said that since the start of the year she has heard of increasing attacks both on children and on adults. But she fears many incidents are not reported. "In most cases the worst that happens is a minor scratch or a bruised ego," she said. "What the people behind these attacks have to understand is that technically they are committing an assault. And if they then upload the images on to the internet or a phone system they could be prosecuted for harassment." What makes the attacks all the more bewildering is that many victims do not realise they have been happy slapped until after the event. Earlier this month James Silver, 34, a freelance journalist, was attacked while jogging on the South Bank in London. While one youth blocked his path, another hit him with a rolled-up magazine. When he spun around another teenager - who had been hiding behind nearby scaffolding - leapt out and hit him hard in the head. When he staggered to his feet he noticed the rest of the gang were jeering and pointing their mobile phones at him. Silver admits that while the attack left his "ego smarting" he did not think it worth reporting. "At the end of the day I was unharmed but it was pretty shocking at the time," he said. "The worry is that while the bulk of the attacks are trivial, some of these youths could be carrying knives." Earlier this year, schools in Lewisham, south London, and St Albans banned camera phones because of worries that the fad was leading to an increase in playground bullying. In a comment recently posted on a London community web forum, "Happyslapper2" described the craze as a "joke", writing: "If you feel bored wen ur about an u got a video phone den bitch slap sum norman, innit." However, in a sign of a gathering backlash, other forum members disagreed. "It's hardly a joke ... it's ****in rude and pea-brained," wrote "slappersidiots". "If this happy slapping fad continues it will only be a matter of time before someone is seriously hurt," predicted another Looks like the CHAVS are ruling the roost !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Eddie still fuming !!!!!!!!!! |
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Its a hell hole in England, the poor man of Europe interms of policing. I called emergency twice in England and never had the police show up in a reasonable time..glad to be gone. Pity the poor buggers left behind.
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Originally Posted by Voyager970
Not long in from work and the wife was watching Tonight with Trevor McDonald.
It was about the new craze sweeping Britian called "HAPPY SLAPPING" Well what a shock I got. Was I not sickened by this so called craze by the teenagers in the UK. They were actually picking people at random in the street, planning their attack, going up the person and slapping or punching them across the face. Whilst they were doing this it was being videoed by their mates on a bloody mobile camera phone. This made me sick, mad, angry as hell !!!!!! In one video they actually set fire to a man who had fell asleep at a bus stop The f***ers who did this were caught and sentenced to a measly 61/2 years in a young offenders institution. I would do time for any of these mindless a**holes who harmed anyone who I knew in this way. What is this country coming to. They interviewed a teenager who actually thought it was funny at first, but then he realised how much damage they were actually doing. As the programme went on, these morons were finding worse things to do to total strangers. One clip showed a person being hit by a traffic cone on the head. This person was knocked clean out. Another showed a young ned actually running at a man and punching him in the face, again this person was knocked out on the pavement, all of these hideous acts of brutallity were filmed on camera phones. Another showed an elderly man on bus being slapped about his face This so called craze is that bad that schools are actually running drama classes in school as part of lessons, on how these acts affect the victims. I just do not know what has happened in the UK for these f***ers to invent this sort of brutal assault in innocent bystanders. I have seen most things that would shock the majority of people whilst working in the prison, but this was, christ I dont know what to say !!!!!!!! I can only say that after watching this programme I have made the right decision to part company with the UK, as it is only going to get worse and the nutters are definately taking over the asylum. A shocked Eddie I know my husband would retaliate if they attackers were old enough, but he would probably be the one that gets proscecuted. It's just another example of the anti-social way this country has become. Whilst on the subject of anti-social behavior, did you know that it is not a crime to have a bonfire at any time of day? I always though you couldn't light one until 6pm for some reason.Our thoughtless neighbours had one burning form 4pm on Weds through until about 1.30 am Thurs and then re-lit again at 2.30pm on thurs. We couldn't open windows, hang washing out or let the children play in the garden, because of the smoke bellowing into our garden. It was a nice sunny day i might add. I ended up ringing the environmental health people as i thought this was anti-social behavior, only to be told that it was perfectly leagal to have a bonfire whenever one wishes, as long as the smoke is white it's seen as unharmful. I was dumbstruck. If stupid laws like this exsist then stupid members of our society will flout them without any regard for thier nieghbours. All adds to the demise of our society if you ask me. Jo xx |
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It's about time someone gave these mindless yobs a slap and taught them some b****y discipline! :mad:
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Eddie,
Could'nt agree more with your comments.I found myself in a un familiar rage watching the documentary. I would,nt p**s on that chav scum if they were on fire but we can ultimately blame the system for the escalation of such crazes. Without suitable punishment I dread to think what the UK will be like in 10 years. Bring back public flogging and hard labour!?! SAW04
Originally Posted by Voyager970
Not long in from work and the wife was watching Tonight with Trevor McDonald.
It was about the new craze sweeping Britian called "HAPPY SLAPPING" Well what a shock I got. Was I not sickened by this so called craze by the teenagers in the UK. They were actually picking people at random in the street, planning their attack, going up the person and slapping or punching them across the face. Whilst they were doing this it was being videoed by their mates on a bloody mobile camera phone. This made me sick, mad, angry as hell !!!!!! In one video they actually set fire to a man who had fell asleep at a bus stop The f***ers who did this were caught and sentenced to a measly 61/2 years in a young offenders institution. I would do time for any of these mindless a**holes who harmed anyone who I knew in this way. What is this country coming to. They interviewed a teenager who actually thought it was funny at first, but then he realised how much damage they were actually doing. As the programme went on, these morons were finding worse things to do to total strangers. One clip showed a person being hit by a traffic cone on the head. This person was knocked clean out. Another showed a young ned actually running at a man and punching him in the face, again this person was knocked out on the pavement, all of these hideous acts of brutallity were filmed on camera phones. Another showed an elderly man on bus being slapped about his face This so called craze is that bad that schools are actually running drama classes in school as part of lessons, on how these acts affect the victims. I just do not know what has happened in the UK for these f***ers to invent this sort of brutal assault in innocent bystanders. I have seen most things that would shock the majority of people whilst working in the prison, but this was, christ I dont know what to say !!!!!!!! I can only say that after watching this programme I have made the right decision to part company with the UK, as it is only going to get worse and the nutters are definately taking over the asylum. A shocked Eddie |
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It's about time someone gave these mindless yobs a slap and taught them some b****y discipline! This is the whole problem: these idiots know that they won't be punished for their 'fun', whereas if their victims defend themselves, they will be punished. Self-defence is basically illegal in the UK these days. |
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I'm not talking about defence as such, discipline for children as seems this day kids just do what they want, call people what they like and have no respect for anybody or anything.
I'm only 32 but things were very different when I was growing up... |
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Originally Posted by joelsa
I just hope it is a craze and as most crazes start they soon dwindle out.
I know my husband would retaliate if they attackers were old enough, but he would probably be the one that gets proscecuted. It's just another example of the anti-social way this country has become. Whilst on the subject of anti-social behavior, did you know that it is not a crime to have a bonfire at any time of day? I always though you couldn't light one until 6pm for some reason.Our thoughtless neighbours had one burning form 4pm on Weds through until about 1.30 am Thurs and then re-lit again at 2.30pm on thurs. We couldn't open windows, hang washing out or let the children play in the garden, because of the smoke bellowing into our garden. It was a nice sunny day i might add. I ended up ringing the environmental health people as i thought this was anti-social behavior, only to be told that it was perfectly leagal to have a bonfire whenever one wishes, as long as the smoke is white it's seen as unharmful. I was dumbstruck. If stupid laws like this exsist then stupid members of our society will flout them without any regard for thier nieghbours. All adds to the demise of our society if you ask me. Jo xx |
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Originally Posted by MarkG
How can you discipline children these days? If they kick the cat because it's 'funny', and you slap them so they can see how they like it, you'll be the one who gets in trouble... the kids know that they can do whatever they want with little risk of punishment, because they have 'rights', while the victims have none.
But I have friends who's kids are extremely well behaved and respectful - just been brought up well, again with occasional smacking. This country does suck though, like you said too many rights for the criminals and sod all for the innocent victims. :mad: |
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Jeez, do you think it's really any different anywhere else? I thought the happy slap was imported from US... :rolleyes:
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Discipline does not have to be about smacking children You might like to believe that all kids are happy fluffy bunnies who will listen to reason when they do something wrong, but the reality is that a sizable minority are not. If parents aren't allowed to keep them in line, then they'll soon learn that they can do whatever they want without any effective punishment... and then we end up with a society like the one we have today. |
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Originally Posted by MarkG
Of course it does. At the end of the day, if a kid is _determined_ to misbehave, sooner or later you have to resort to smacking them, or admit that you have no control over them whatsoever.
You might like to believe that all kids are happy fluffy bunnies who will listen to reason when they do something wrong, but the reality is that a sizable minority are not. If parents aren't allowed to keep them in line, then they'll soon learn that they can do whatever they want without any effective punishment... and then we end up with a society like the one we have today. It's just as well really as slapping one's children, wives and domestic animals around is illegal in Canada. |
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In all societies there are three sections of the community. Those that respect without the need for police enforcement. Those that will never respect with or without police enforcement. And those waiverers that are more inclined to respect with police enforcement or police enforcement threats. The ability to enforce the later section has been taken away in the nanny state that is emerging in the many westernised countries. The higher the density of population the higher the incidents of such activities. Idle hands have less tendancy to stray from the path much more if a purpose and aims was the future goal of children and some adults.
With so much state support which is transparently available children see this as an easy option and have little reason to be aspirational. Traditional roles for many children with no qualifications leaving school are no longer as available as New Labour are hell bent on turning the UK into a hive of activities which are high brow. R&D, Economists, Bankers, Insurance Specialists. Why - because the UK has no choice as many western countries have no choice. The Torries started it and New Labour has continued. We now live in a country of home owners - most don't OWN their home, many will never own their home - WE, the clients are OWNED by Banks, Building Societies and Loan Companies. They love us as we are tied to them for all our working lives. 40 year mortgages is pure heaven to Banks. We have fallen into the trap of needing to pay for bigger homes, bigger cars, and it needs two full time professionals to afford that. This means children get thought of less as the stress we are under is enormous. Traditionally the ethics were to live in Council houses and have a little put by in the Bank. The middle classes only looked at short term mortgages and could more afford such luxuries. The media and the exposure of the haves and have nots to one another has created an envious society. We all want what the next man has - but one difference is that few youngsters want to work for it. They see our stress levels and cannot understand how or why we do it. There are many reasons why we are here. It is not all the childrens fault. |
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Originally Posted by dbd33
I also have a well behaved unslapped dog and two wives both of whom behave in a respectable manner without my needing to beat them.
It's just as well really as slapping one's children, wives and domestic animals around is illegal in Canada. Not sure what "slapping" constitutes, but spanking your children is allowed in Canada, though there have been a couple attempts to ban it. |
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Originally Posted by AnyaT
LOL, having multiple wives is also illegal! :D
Not sure what "slapping" constitutes, but spanking your children is allowed in Canada, though there have been a couple attempts to ban it. I'm not sure about spanking being legal, I suspect it's assault. Last year we were in Australia and I was shocked to see people hitting their children in public, the fact that I was shocked made me think how rare it is to see that sort of violence here. I certainty wouldn't risk hitting anyone other than an adult male in the street. |
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Originally Posted by AnyaT
LOL, having multiple wives is also illegal! :D
Not sure what "slapping" constitutes, but spanking your children is allowed in Canada, though there have been a couple attempts to ban it. http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2002/01/15...ingcourt020115 so long as implements are not used. |
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Originally Posted by Voyager970
Not long in from work and the wife was watching Tonight with Trevor McDonald.
It was about the new craze sweeping Britian called "HAPPY SLAPPING"... A shocked Eddie No doubt they have 'got rights mate, innit'.......can't help but wonder what they will be doing in ten years time. Just hope I won't be here to find out!!! ;) |
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The difference is though that thay would recieve a suitable punishment in the States, therefore offering more of a deterant such as the "three strike" system.
Originally Posted by terrybr
Jeez, do you think it's really any different anywhere else? I thought the happy slap was imported from US... :rolleyes:
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iv'e just asked my 15 year old daughter who attends a mixed catholic school if she'd ever heard of happy slapping? not untill today mum was her reply there's been some kids doing it at school today, what was that about the media influencing our kids? :mad:
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Never heard of it but am instantly reminded of the Tango advert...wasn't there a spate of burst eardrums after that?!
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Honestly!
I sit and i wonder what has society done to these Kids. The parents have no rights, the kids use the rights against the parents. Some people blame the parents which is wrong unless of course the are the same themselves. BRING BACK NATIONAL SERVICE! Lets see these little thugs act the tough guy then! As i have said in a previous thread: It is now socialy cool to the likes of these thugs to go to jail! It is like an initiation ceremony! They get in there and the learn street skills and drugs which in the end makes a worse criminal of them. This is not a punishment anymore. TV right now is riddled with reality shows. How about we place the criminals in the limelight and the nation vote on there fate? Nobody is happy with the criminal justice system so why can't we do it? We could call it PUBLIC CONVICTIONS! Name and shame and whilst they are there we could work on life skills. Changing face of society. I guess this would not work either as they would love the publicity. Place them to work in the sewers thats where rats belong! It rattles me inside to know that society has come to this. I love my children but they know that if they were to get in trouble I would be the one to call the police. Tough love! Where were the parents whilst this was going on? did they get an interview? |
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Originally Posted by dbd33
Multiple "wives" is ok, one's the result of a ceremony, the other common-law by duration.
Which one goes on your tax return? |
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Well Said!!!
Originally Posted by babyblue
Honestly!
I sit and i wonder what has society done to these Kids. The parents have no rights, the kids use the rights against the parents. Some people blame the parents which is wrong unless of course the are the same themselves. BRING BACK NATIONAL SERVICE! Lets see these little thugs act the tough guy then! As i have said in a previous thread: It is now socialy cool to the likes of these thugs to go to jail! It is like an initiation ceremony! They get in there and the learn street skills and drugs which in the end makes a worse criminal of them. This is not a punishment anymore. TV right now is riddled with reality shows. How about we place the criminals in the limelight and the nation vote on there fate? Nobody is happy with the criminal justice system so why can't we do it? We could call it PUBLIC CONVICTIONS! Name and shame and whilst they are there we could work on life skills. Changing face of society. I guess this would not work either as they would love the publicity. Place them to work in the sewers thats where rats belong! It rattles me inside to know that society has come to this. I love my children but they know that if they were to get in trouble I would be the one to call the police. Tough love! Where were the parents whilst this was going on? did they get an interview? |
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Originally Posted by Souvenir
Oh, duration. For a moment I saw that as duress.
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Originally Posted by SAW 04
Well Said!!!
"Honestly! I sit and i wonder what has society done to these Kids. The parents have no rights, the kids use the rights against the parents. Some people blame the parents which is wrong unless of course the are the same themselves." This part is incoherent. That which is reasonably grammatical is illogical, if the parents and children live in the same society they have approximately the same rights, the rights of children or parents are not gained at the expense of the other group. "BRING BACK NATIONAL SERVICE!" This is a hollow cliche and gains nothing by being shouted. There's no explanation as to how this national service would work, what it would seek to achieve and what it achieved in the past. "It is now socialy cool to the likes of these thugs to go to jail! It is like an initiation ceremony! They get in there and the learn street skills and drugs which in the end makes a worse criminal of them. This is not a punishment anymore." Unless the poster has recently been incarcerated in the UK this is unsubstantiated assertion. Into what fraternity are the prisoners initiated, how do we know that jail is "socialy cool" ? "TV right now is riddled with reality shows. How about we place the criminals in the limelight and the nation vote on there fate? Nobody is happy with the criminal justice system so why can't we do it? We could call it PUBLIC CONVICTIONS! Name and shame and whilst they are there we could work on life skills. Changing face of society. I guess this would not work either as they would love the publicity." This paragraph contradicts itself. It proposes a modern day version of the stocks, without considering the need for checks and balances or the dangers of the distorted depictions of events we see on television. "Place them to work in the sewers thats where rats belong!" This is a non sequitur. "It rattles me inside to know that society has come to this. I love my children but they know that if they were to get in trouble I would be the one to call the police. Tough love!" The poster cannot know this so this paragraph is just romanticism. "Where were the parents whilst this was going on? did they get an interview?" This indicates that the poster is commenting on a TV program she hasn't seen. Not well said at all. |
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Originally Posted by dbd33
Multiple "wives" is ok, one's the result of a ceremony, the other common-law by duration. They both count. My divorce lawyer says that, by his interpretation of the law, I could acquire a third set of bills by also marrying a man. I'm not keen.
Anyway, about polygamy, I think in BC, so long as you're a fundamentalist Mormon (like the folks in Bountiful, BC), you can be a polygamist (legally, I think? Not 1000% sure but I doubt the courts are either.). And of course polygamy is practised in some of Aboriginal cultures in Canada (though it isn't picked up on the illegal/legal radar). |
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As a general comment... IMO, a lot of what I've read on this thread sounds like stuff every generation of 'older folk' have complained about generation after generation: "The youth of today."
Though I wouldn't want this to happen to me, or anyone I know I, seriously doubt it ever would. That program was sensationalistic, scare-mongering and reminded me a lot of "Hard Copy" from the US (not sure if that show still exists but long-time residents of Canada will know what I mean). (Knowing my luck, I'll probably be bitch-slapped tomorrow :D). BTW, there is plenty of youth violence and crime in Canada. Some info about youth violence in Canada: http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/natio...ng-050325.html http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/natio...lly050401.html news clip of above: http://www.cbc.ca/clips/mov/bittira_bullied050401.mov (it shows some footage of the video - it's disturbing but not very graphic) http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/crime/youthcrime.html Still... I'm more worried about the people I least suspect. |
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Originally Posted by dbd33
It's not well said at all :
"Honestly! I sit and i wonder what has society done to these Kids. The parents have no rights, the kids use the rights against the parents. Some people blame the parents which is wrong unless of course the are the same themselves." This part is incoherent. That which is reasonably grammatical is illogical, if the parents and children live in the same society they have approximately the same rights, the rights of children or parents are not gained at the expense of the other group. "BRING BACK NATIONAL SERVICE!" This is a hollow cliche and gains nothing by being shouted. There's no explanation as to how this national service would work, what it would seek to achieve and what it achieved in the past. "It is now socialy cool to the likes of these thugs to go to jail! It is like an initiation ceremony! They get in there and the learn street skills and drugs which in the end makes a worse criminal of them. This is not a punishment anymore." Unless the poster has recently been incarcerated in the UK this is unsubstantiated assertion. Into what fraternity are the prisoners initiated, how do we know that jail is "socialy cool" ? "TV right now is riddled with reality shows. How about we place the criminals in the limelight and the nation vote on there fate? Nobody is happy with the criminal justice system so why can't we do it? We could call it PUBLIC CONVICTIONS! Name and shame and whilst they are there we could work on life skills. Changing face of society. I guess this would not work either as they would love the publicity." This paragraph contradicts itself. It proposes a modern day version of the stocks, without considering the need for checks and balances or the dangers of the distorted depictions of events we see on television. "Place them to work in the sewers thats where rats belong!" This is a non sequitur. "It rattles me inside to know that society has come to this. I love my children but they know that if they were to get in trouble I would be the one to call the police. Tough love!" The poster cannot know this so this paragraph is just romanticism. "Where were the parents whilst this was going on? did they get an interview?" This indicates that the poster is commenting on a TV program she hasn't seen. Not well said at all. I am entitled to my opinion the same as anyone else here. Who died and made you righteous. I find it insulting that you should ripe into someones opinion in such a way. I have never insulted anyone here and have no intentions of doing so. I am a genuine women with an intelligent head on my shoulders. you have your opinion and i have mine! I do not wish to fight with anyone and this was a simple discussion. I beleive that society has gone to peices and beleive me becuase i have done it. My daughter got in trouble and i took the law by the hand and showed here the consequences. I do beleive that the the balance of rights is wrong in society. We need to be careful about how we dish out the rights. Children know too much about there rights and are using it as a weapon towards even their own parents. I have friends that are in the police, fireservice and social services and they will all tell you horror stories about todays youth and how their hands are tied so often. The bit about 'reality TV' was simply a little humour. I can't stand the shows they make me sick. AS IF THIS WOULD WORK(HOW DUMB DO YOU THINK I AM) I continue to say that VALUES are whats missing in society. This is the biggest issue and is getting worse. |
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Originally Posted by babyblue
I find it insulting that you should ripe into someones opinion in such a way.
"I continue to say that VALUES are whats missing in society. This is the biggest issue and is getting worse." Which values are these ? Iran has a strict moral code, is that the sort of thing you have in mind ? Why is this lack of values a bigger issue than, say, the sponsorship scandal and in what way are there less or worse values today than last May ? |
Re: Trevor McDonald programme tonight
Originally Posted by dbd33
You advanced an opinion on a talkboard, it's inevitable that someone will disagree with it. That's rather the point of such boards. However, my dispute is not with your opinion but with SAW 04's contention that it was "well said". I thought it to be a jumbled recycling of reactionary cliches worthy of Barbara Amiel. I see that you now offer more of the same,
"I continue to say that VALUES are whats missing in society. This is the biggest issue and is getting worse." Which values are these ? Iran has a strict moral code, is that the sort of thing you have in mind ? Why is this lack of values a bigger issue than, say, the sponsorship scandal and in what way are there less or worse values today than last May ? Why are you so picky? Why is ther are need for exact terminology? This is not a real debate it is a simple discussion forum. The discussion was about the youth in the UK. This is what i responded too. Not in Iran or any other country for that matter. What i am saying about values is that if more people in todays society actually focused on good set of morals and values surely this would be better for everyone. 1: we start to learn at a young age the value of money! My children earned their pocket money.(far too much handed on a plate or overcompensating in todays society) 2: Learn at an early age that if you commit a crime there will be a punishment and follow it through. it does not need to be violent as this does lead to further problems. 3:Treat others as we expect to be treated. 4: Manners don't cost a thing but they go along way. there are many more i could list. The NATIONAL SEVICE i was talking about! Why could we not find work in society for these offenders that they would not normaly do. This would not be quite so 'cool'. I remember my younger brother getting in trouble as a teenager and my mother phoned social services and got him some work in a local mental hospital(as they were then called). This was for elderly people and he ended up loving it and the respect came back. SERVICE FOR THE NATION! putting something back into society. Why is that such a bad thing to do! as for your comment on my connections with the prison staff or inmates. I am a trained counsellor and i have worked with prison staff from high securety offenders. So yes i do know what i am talking about. It is no hotel in there! I also have a friend who is in prison and it is horrific the stories you hear. I am not about to veture into a full scale fight over a TV show i have better things to do with my time. Before! ... you and i were actually commenting on each others vacation and quite honestly i could not beleive the attitude change. I will leave to your pedestal! |
Re: Trevor McDonald programme tonight
Originally Posted by dbd33
"It is now socialy cool to the likes of these thugs to go to jail! It is like an initiation ceremony! They get in there and the learn street skills and drugs which in the end makes a worse criminal of them. This is not a punishment anymore."
Unless the poster has recently been incarcerated in the UK this is unsubstantiated assertion. Into what fraternity are the prisoners initiated, how do we know that jail is "socialy cool" ? Has anyone any experience of prison I have, 10 years to be exact working in Her Majesty's famous Hotel in Glasgow I get incarcerated every day, prison is not a nice place to be. Slashings, stabbings, hangings, cell fires, drug incidents, prisoners using babies to get drugs into prison, yes using innocent babies, they hide the drugs in the babies nappy during a visit, he holds the baby and gets drugs out, swallows drugs and later does a number two and gets drugs, if they dont burst inside him before this. Horrible as it may seem, this does happen We only recently moved into a refurbished hall which had in cell sanitation Before that I had to endure the dreaded draconian practice of slopping out My employer recently lost a test case, where a prisoner sued them for breaching his human rights due to the fact that he had to slop out 5 times a day My employer The Scottish Executive / Scottish Prison Service has set aside £162 million pounds for compensation claims for prisoners who are sueing, due to them having to slop out. Prisoners had to slop out anything up to 5 times a day, only seeing their own chamber pot. We, Us, the staff had to endure this up to 5 times a day, and with 90 prisoners on your landing it was not nice sight, Standing supervising them in the toilet 5 times a day by 90 prisoners. The stench was un-bearable especially in the morning, but you got immune to the smell. Anyway my point of this is What compensation are the staff getting, I hear you all say, something I hope. Well my friends we are getting ZILCH, SOD ALL, NANTIE, ZERO DOLLARS. Now who says the system is geared towards the offender YOUR BLOOMIN RIGHT THE SYSTEM IS GEARED TOWARDS THE CRIMINAL. The system really pisses me off. In response to the poster who says that it is socially cool to got to prison. I fully agree with this statement It is an initiation ceremony going to prison, particulary for a first offender who knows loads of street scum pals are in the jail. Where else will a scumbag get credit for his crime, see his street urchin pals in beside him, get access to SKY TV, DVD, VIDEOS, unlimited access to a doctor, dentist, nurse, employment advisors, housing advisors, drug counsellors, social workers, and the list goes on and on !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jail as I see it is NOT a punishment, it is just getting scumbags off the streets for a few days, few months, few years, or maybe life, but life is not a life sentence, unless the trail judge stipulates this, so the scum will be back on the street, sometime in the near future. Cons do learn more criminal skills whilst incarcerated, they do learn how to open cars more easily, how to mug people more discreatly, break into house without making a lot of noise, how to gain access into the wee grannys house to mug her and steal her life savings. Prison is a massive learning curve for all types of criminals, whether the petty criminal or the hardened robber, mugger etc. I have seen it time and time again when someone goes into prison with a small drug habit and comes out a real smackhead, who will commit a crime as soon as he leaves the jail. I think the record for someone not staying out prison was less than 24 hours, Got out that morning and was lifted by the police in the afternoon, commitied a crime, as he had breached his parole licence conditions he went straight back to jail, without collecting £200. So where do we go from here !!!!!!!! DUNNO you all decide Eddie |
Re: Trevor McDonald programme tonight
Originally Posted by AnyaT
Not sure what "slapping" constitutes, but spanking your children is allowed in Canada, though there have been a couple attempts to ban it. http://www.justice.gov.ab.ca/downloa....aspx?id=45392 |
Re: Trevor McDonald programme tonight
Originally Posted by hot wasabi peas
As a general comment... IMO, a lot of what I've read on this thread sounds like stuff every generation of 'older folk' have complained about generation after generation: "The youth of today."
When 'I were a lad' I lived in a poor area of Kent. 30 odd years ago the school I briefly went to (2 years) between Primary and Grammar had two killings. One boy was kicked to death outside his mum's house not more than 200 yards away from our house by a gang with not only other children but adults also looking on and another boy was knifed to death in a playground. On top of this there were constant beatings, gang warfare where teenagers would surge along streets in huge groups, there were drug problems and car thefts - you name it. I had/have (not sure) an older brother and sister as well so I saw all of this first hand with my eyes or through the reprecutions of my brothers and in part my sisters piers. Rememeber we had Mods, Rockers, and Skin Heads in its infancy coming along. Not different there then. But it did not occupy daily news, it did not occupy TV coverage in quite the same way as it does today. When you have a society that endorses Celebrity Wrestling or Boxing which is turning violence (and it is violence how ever you dress it up) you are showing the teenagers and even pre- ten year olds that its good to kick the crap out of someone...to dominate and oppress someone. Often I have seen campaigns to halt professional boxing. I am 50/50 on this one yet to turn violence into a rate catching media event is shameful. You might say wrestilng exists in North America. Yes it does - but does the media turn it into something of a joke by putting people we see sitting behind desks or presenting light hearted programmes into rings to fight? I have not as yet but I bet its only a matter of time before the US adapt and adopt yet more SHIT from the UK media. WE are at a point where the media wants to show someone actually being killed live on TV, as a matter of public concern.....? Hell no...as a ratings war. We used to have BBC, ITV news, then BBC 2 and then Channel four - this was the way it was. Missed the news at 9 on BBC you had to switch over to ITV at ten. Now we have 24 hour news coverage on a wealth of TV networks in different languages beaming into our front rooms. Someone gets killled in a far off place we have possibly never heard of and its in your living space within minutes. We are getting frightened of living as death is only minutes away. We are not just getting on with our daily chores any longer. Many are looking for somewhere to run. (ringing any bells). In truth there is nowhere to run to. Like the industrial revolution during the 19th century we are having to deal with change and its painful. I am a 40 something and I guess my worry is highlighted as we have teenage children. You worry for them as we don't know if they will cope. We did so I am sure in the long run they will - they will have to. Where next. How low will the media stoop. Its up to the public to switch off - thats the only way they will learn. |
Re: Trevor McDonald programme tonight
Originally Posted by Voyager970
Not long in from work and the wife was watching Tonight with Trevor McDonald.
It was about the new craze sweeping Britian called "HAPPY SLAPPING" Well what a shock I got. Was I not sickened by this so called craze by the teenagers in the UK. They were actually picking people at random in the street, planning their attack, going up the person and slapping or punching them across the face. Whilst they were doing this it was being videoed by their mates on a bloody mobile camera phone. This made me sick, mad, angry as hell !!!!!! In one video they actually set fire to a man who had fell asleep at a bus stop The f***ers who did this were caught and sentenced to a measly 61/2 years in a young offenders institution. I would do time for any of these mindless a**holes who harmed anyone who I knew in this way. What is this country coming to. They interviewed a teenager who actually thought it was funny at first, but then he realised how much damage they were actually doing. As the programme went on, these morons were finding worse things to do to total strangers. One clip showed a person being hit by a traffic cone on the head. This person was knocked clean out. Another showed a young ned actually running at a man and punching him in the face, again this person was knocked out on the pavement, all of these hideous acts of brutallity were filmed on camera phones. Another showed an elderly man on bus being slapped about his face This so called craze is that bad that schools are actually running drama classes in school as part of lessons, on how these acts affect the victims. I just do not know what has happened in the UK for these f***ers to invent this sort of brutal assault in innocent bystanders. I have seen most things that would shock the majority of people whilst working in the prison, but this was, christ I dont know what to say !!!!!!!! I can only say that after watching this programme I have made the right decision to part company with the UK, as it is only going to get worse and the nutters are definately taking over the asylum. A shocked Eddie I can only agree thank god we are leaving this hell hole shortly!! Things will only get worse now that blair is in for another 4 years, with his politically correct, protect the offender attitudes!! I would find it hard not to retaliate if I was "happy slapped" however that would get me a criminal record and bang goes my Canadian Dreams!! The sooner we can get away from here the better, I really fear for the future of "Great" Britain!! |
Re: Trevor McDonald programme tonight
This "happy slapping" phenomenon has hit the little town I live in (population < 90,000). It's drug related, aimed at the more physically vulnerable and is used as a form of mugging. Two old ladies and two older men have been "happy slapped" in the last three months to my knowledge. Teenagers do it to each other, again usually the drug involved kids. :mad:
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Re: Trevor McDonald programme tonight
Originally Posted by dbd33
It's not well said at all :
"Honestly! I sit and i wonder what has society done to these Kids. The parents have no rights, the kids use the rights against the parents. Some people blame the parents which is wrong unless of course the are the same themselves." This part is incoherent. That which is reasonably grammatical is illogical, if the parents and children live in the same society they have approximately the same rights, the rights of children or parents are not gained at the expense of the other group. "BRING BACK NATIONAL SERVICE!" This is a hollow cliche and gains nothing by being shouted. There's no explanation as to how this national service would work, what it would seek to achieve and what it achieved in the past. "It is now socialy cool to the likes of these thugs to go to jail! It is like an initiation ceremony! They get in there and the learn street skills and drugs which in the end makes a worse criminal of them. This is not a punishment anymore." Unless the poster has recently been incarcerated in the UK this is unsubstantiated assertion. Into what fraternity are the prisoners initiated, how do we know that jail is "socialy cool" ? "TV right now is riddled with reality shows. How about we place the criminals in the limelight and the nation vote on there fate? Nobody is happy with the criminal justice system so why can't we do it? We could call it PUBLIC CONVICTIONS! Name and shame and whilst they are there we could work on life skills. Changing face of society. I guess this would not work either as they would love the publicity." This paragraph contradicts itself. It proposes a modern day version of the stocks, without considering the need for checks and balances or the dangers of the distorted depictions of events we see on television. "Place them to work in the sewers thats where rats belong!" This is a non sequitur. "It rattles me inside to know that society has come to this. I love my children but they know that if they were to get in trouble I would be the one to call the police. Tough love!" The poster cannot know this so this paragraph is just romanticism. "Where were the parents whilst this was going on? did they get an interview?" This indicates that the poster is commenting on a TV program she hasn't seen. Not well said at all. Are you really this patronising or do you work at it. Get over yourself! Please! Everyone is entitled to an opinion, why be so mean? |
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