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I believe the stern guidance on the citizenship card not being a travel card is more in the "you can't travel on just your citizenship card, you need a passport" line. My primary travel document will be my UK passport. The citizenship card is *merely* for re-entry into Canada. Anyway, I called AC and the lady in the call centre at least, said I would be able to travel on my passport. I guess I'll find out next week!
However, the issue is that OUTSIDE Canada the citizenship card is not guaranteed to be recognized by anyone other than Canadian officials. Only a passport has international recognition. So, for example, if an airline questions your right to travel to Canada, there's no guarantee that the citizenship card will satisfy them even if it's produced along with a non-Canadian passport. Granted many people travel that way and have no issues and you will likely be one of them (especially as a UK citizen) but it's not a given and is subject to 3rd party policy and interpretation.
As you said, once you get to Canada, then of course the citizenship card will be recognized. Outside Canada you're at the mercy of someone else if your non-Canadian passport doesn't satisfy them. And you are actually encouraged to use a Canadian passport for international travel:
http://www.voyage.gc.ca/publications...zenship-en.pdf
"Always use your Canadian passport if possible, especially when entering the country of your second citizenship. Note that you cannot use a Certificate of Canadian Citizenship instead of a Canadian passport to travel abroad. A Certificate of Canadian Citizenship is not a travel document. A Canadian passport is the only reliable and universally accepted travel and identification document available to Canadians for the purpose of international travel."
Bold and underlines are mine.
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And you are actually encouraged to use a Canadian passport for international travel:
http://www.voyage.gc.ca/publications...zenship-en.pdf
"Always use your Canadian passport if possible, especially when entering the country of your second citizenship. Note that you cannot use a Certificate of Canadian Citizenship instead of a Canadian passport to travel abroad. A Certificate of Canadian Citizenship is not a travel document. A Canadian passport is the only reliable and universally accepted travel and identification document available to Canadians for the purpose of international travel."
Bold and underlines are mine.
http://www.voyage.gc.ca/publications...zenship-en.pdf
"Always use your Canadian passport if possible, especially when entering the country of your second citizenship. Note that you cannot use a Certificate of Canadian Citizenship instead of a Canadian passport to travel abroad. A Certificate of Canadian Citizenship is not a travel document. A Canadian passport is the only reliable and universally accepted travel and identification document available to Canadians for the purpose of international travel."
Bold and underlines are mine.
Obviously this won't help AX next week, but what is the rationale behind the Canadian govt's advice above?
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I've never understood that. As far as I can see, the universally accepted practice of dual citizens travelling between countries where they hold citizenship, is always to enter the country of citizenship with that country's passport, if available. It makes the border controls so much easeier. So if flying to the UK as a dual national, enter the UK on your UK passport and then come back into Canada on a Canadian passport.
Obviously this won't help AX next week, but what is the rationale behind the Canadian govt's advice above?
Obviously this won't help AX next week, but what is the rationale behind the Canadian govt's advice above?
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And you are actually encouraged to use a Canadian passport for international travel:
http://www.voyage.gc.ca/publications...zenship-en.pdf
"Always use your Canadian passport if possible, especially when entering the country of your second citizenship. Note that you cannot use a Certificate of Canadian Citizenship instead of a Canadian passport to travel abroad. A Certificate of Canadian Citizenship is not a travel document. A Canadian passport is the only reliable and universally accepted travel and identification document available to Canadians for the purpose of international travel."
Bold and underlines are mine.
http://www.voyage.gc.ca/publications...zenship-en.pdf
"Always use your Canadian passport if possible, especially when entering the country of your second citizenship. Note that you cannot use a Certificate of Canadian Citizenship instead of a Canadian passport to travel abroad. A Certificate of Canadian Citizenship is not a travel document. A Canadian passport is the only reliable and universally accepted travel and identification document available to Canadians for the purpose of international travel."
Bold and underlines are mine.
I've never understood that. As far as I can see, the universally accepted practice of dual citizens travelling between countries where they hold citizenship, is always to enter the country of citizenship with that country's passport, if available. It makes the border controls so much easeier. So if flying to the UK as a dual national, enter the UK on your UK passport and then come back into Canada on a Canadian passport.
Obviously this won't help AX next week, but what is the rationale behind the Canadian govt's advice above?
Obviously this won't help AX next week, but what is the rationale behind the Canadian govt's advice above?
If you read more of the the link I provided, you'll see that things can become more complicated for Canadians who visit other countries they are also a citizen of. For example, there can be issues related to military service, taxation, etc. Here's another snippet from the link:
"Using your Canadian passport may provide the basis under which Canada can provide you with consular assistance if you run into problems."
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I believe the stern guidance on the citizenship card not being a travel card is more in the "you can't travel on just your citizenship card, you need a passport" line. My primary travel document will be my UK passport. The citizenship card is *merely* for re-entry into Canada. Anyway, I called AC and the lady in the call centre at least, said I would be able to travel on my passport. I guess I'll find out next week!
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This link might answer questions as we have done this on other threads
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To say it again, you don't need sweet FA to enter Canada as a Canadian citizen who shows up at a POE staffed by CBSA. If you've just been mugged or flushed your passport down the toilet on the plane and have nothing they can with some effort find you in their system. Helpful to have some ID obviously but you can get in with nothing in extremis.
However a carrier is required by law to check, this includes bus companies, ferries, airlines etc.
The US has a list of acceptable ID under WHTI, which basically boils down to three things if you're a Canadian - passport, NEXUS (or FAST) card or Enhanced Driver Licence (EDLs can only be used for entry by land and only a few provinces issue them).
IATA rules require all air travellers to have a passport, so even if you have a NEXUS card the airline requires a passport.
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I went for years without a Canadian passport, certainly 10 years, probably 15, using a British passport and a Canadian citizenship card. I only ever used the card for entry to Canada and I entered better than once a fortnight. I then obtained a Canadian passport but lost it and went back to using the card. The method still works.
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Some years ago I was visiting my almost ex-wife's family in LA. As one does, we decided to take a trip to TJ. We parked the F250 at the border and wandered into Mexico. We then spent a large number of hours at a bar called 'Buckets'. For a reason that escapes me it was named after something one could do that resulted in a bucket being hoisted to the ceiling. Anyway, 10 large Margaritas later we decided to attempt to head home - which involved crossing the US border on foot. At this point I realised I had no ID other than some expired BC health card. I vaguely recall staggering towards the border exclaiming loudly that I was Canadian. By this point I had decided that I actually didn't mind having to remain in TJ. Sadly though I was waved right through - I suspect that the fact my father in law was wearing an NRA baseball cap helped.
Oh, this is how I looked just before crossing the border (I am clearly indicating the 10 drinks). And yes, I did make it across with the hat
Try that with the CBSA!!
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Some years ago I was visiting my almost ex-wife's family in LA. As one does, we decided to take a trip to TJ. We parked the F250 at the border and wandered into Mexico. We then spent a large number of hours at a bar called 'Buckets'. For a reason that escapes me it was named after something one could do that resulted in a bucket being hoisted to the ceiling. Anyway, 10 large Margaritas later we decided to attempt to head home - which involved crossing the US border on foot. At this point I realised I had no ID other than some expired BC health card. I vaguely recall staggering towards the border exclaiming loudly that I was Canadian. By this point I had decided that I actually didn't mind having to remain in TJ. Sadly though I was waved right through - I suspect that the fact my father in law was wearing an NRA baseball cap helped.
Oh, this is how I looked just before crossing the border (I am clearly indicating the 10 drinks). And yes, I did make it across with the hat
Try that with the CBSA!!
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We were on or way back to Spain and he asked to stick with us. Fine by us.
It's only when we got to the border that he told us he didn't have a passport.
No problem. We handed 5 passports out of the window to the border guy who peered into the van and then gave them back without a word. apparently he couldn't count.
This was some time ago of course.
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Some years ago I was visiting my almost ex-wife's family in LA. As one does, we decided to take a trip to TJ. We parked the F250 at the border and wandered into Mexico. We then spent a large number of hours at a bar called 'Buckets'. For a reason that escapes me it was named after something one could do that resulted in a bucket being hoisted to the ceiling. Anyway, 10 large Margaritas later we decided to attempt to head home - which involved crossing the US border on foot. At this point I realised I had no ID other than some expired BC health card. I vaguely recall staggering towards the border exclaiming loudly that I was Canadian. By this point I had decided that I actually didn't mind having to remain in TJ. Sadly though I was waved right through - I suspect that the fact my father in law was wearing an NRA baseball cap helped.
Oh, this is how I looked just before crossing the border (I am clearly indicating the 10 drinks). And yes, I did make it across with the hat
Try that with the CBSA!!
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Interesting story but on reflection would you try that today?
I merely ask out of curiosity and to show others who might read this that if they tried this today would they be as lucky as you were?
The possibility of being refused entry into the US and having no valid ID is something for others to consider. Now you would need to contact the nearest Canadian Consulate or hope that one of your friends gets hold of some ID and returns with it. How would the Mexican authorities look at this?
Would they let you stay at the crossing or whisk you away to a friendly TJ police station.
With the current outbreak of violence in TJ its not a place I would like to be left stranded in.
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A fine tale, and a wonderful likeness. I can only attempt to rival it with a distant recollection of driving around Morocco with 5 friends in a VW camper. When in (a place who's name I've forgotten) not too far south of Ceuta we saw an obviously British guy being chased through the streets. So we stopped and he hopped in.
We were on or way back to Spain and he asked to stick with us. Fine by us.
It's only when we got to the border that he told us he didn't have a passport.
No problem. We handed 5 passports out of the window to the border guy who peered into the van and then gave them back without a word. apparently he couldn't count.
This was some time ago of course.
We were on or way back to Spain and he asked to stick with us. Fine by us.
It's only when we got to the border that he told us he didn't have a passport.
No problem. We handed 5 passports out of the window to the border guy who peered into the van and then gave them back without a word. apparently he couldn't count.
This was some time ago of course.
Things do change. I remember going on a camping trip. I got from Brighton and Brittany and back on ferries and trains without ever having to show my ticket or passport.
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Well of course you couldnt try that with CBSA we dont work in TJ (Tijuana) ![Smile](https://britishexpats.com/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif)
Interesting story but on reflection would you try that today?
I merely ask out of curiosity and to show others who might read this that if they tried this today would they be as lucky as you were?
The possibility of being refused entry into the US and having no valid ID is something for others to consider. Now you would need to contact the nearest Canadian Consulate or hope that one of your friends gets hold of some ID and returns with it. How would the Mexican authorities look at this?
Would they let you stay at the crossing or whisk you away to a friendly TJ police station.
With the current outbreak of violence in TJ its not a place I would like to be left stranded in.
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Interesting story but on reflection would you try that today?
I merely ask out of curiosity and to show others who might read this that if they tried this today would they be as lucky as you were?
The possibility of being refused entry into the US and having no valid ID is something for others to consider. Now you would need to contact the nearest Canadian Consulate or hope that one of your friends gets hold of some ID and returns with it. How would the Mexican authorities look at this?
Would they let you stay at the crossing or whisk you away to a friendly TJ police station.
With the current outbreak of violence in TJ its not a place I would like to be left stranded in.
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A couple of years ago, we were driving towards Tsawwassen ferry terminal outside Vancouver when I took a wrong turn and ended up, unwittingly, at the US border (Point Roberts - surely the most pointless bit of the entire USA).
As we had not intended to enter the US while on holiday, we didn't have our passports with us, and my wife didn't even have her driving licence with her. Anyway, we were suddenly stuck in a jersey-barrier lane that we couldn't get out of as we approached the border point, before doing a U turn and heading back towards the immigration booths.
"Passports", grunted the immigration clerk. "Umm, we don't have any. We went through by mistake."
"You must have passports, you've just come from America."
"No we haven't, I've just come from the other side of your booth 30 seconds ago."
Anyway, he made a great show of checking my driving licence, chastising my wife for not having hers, and eventually made sure we knew what an enormous favour he was doing by letting us "back in" to Canada.
That must happen a dozen times a day or more at that border point. I suppose immigration clerks have to make entertainment for themselves somehow. "Hey dude, look here comes another idiot. Quick, put on your Aviators and your Tough Guy voice..."
As we had not intended to enter the US while on holiday, we didn't have our passports with us, and my wife didn't even have her driving licence with her. Anyway, we were suddenly stuck in a jersey-barrier lane that we couldn't get out of as we approached the border point, before doing a U turn and heading back towards the immigration booths.
"Passports", grunted the immigration clerk. "Umm, we don't have any. We went through by mistake."
"You must have passports, you've just come from America."
"No we haven't, I've just come from the other side of your booth 30 seconds ago."
Anyway, he made a great show of checking my driving licence, chastising my wife for not having hers, and eventually made sure we knew what an enormous favour he was doing by letting us "back in" to Canada.
That must happen a dozen times a day or more at that border point. I suppose immigration clerks have to make entertainment for themselves somehow. "Hey dude, look here comes another idiot. Quick, put on your Aviators and your Tough Guy voice..."
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