Toronto or Vancouver
#91
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Re: Toronto or Vancouver
I agree with much of what you say. Vancouver is a sleepy big town, rather than a large, urban metropolis. And yes parts are plain ugly, such as the tower blocks of the west end. Other areas of downtown have a built last week feel (acutely most were built in the last 10 years or so).
But i can't imagine who would not be gobsmaked at the views of the ocean, mountains etc, be it a stroll along falsecreek, coal harbour or ambleside. Many equate natural settings with the beauty and livability of a place, be it a move to the country, the edge of a lake, a beach community or a peninsula nestled between oceans, mountains and beaches.
For me, Vancouver's connection to the outdoors it what makes it livable. i've lived in much more relevant cities when it comes to built form, Edinburgh comes to mind, but the access to what Vancouver has to offer has given me more pleasure, and given the prices in real estate, it would seem many agree. I think the natural setting has made Vancouver lazy.
if you want hip and trendy, better head to TO or back across the pond to London.
But i can't imagine who would not be gobsmaked at the views of the ocean, mountains etc, be it a stroll along falsecreek, coal harbour or ambleside. Many equate natural settings with the beauty and livability of a place, be it a move to the country, the edge of a lake, a beach community or a peninsula nestled between oceans, mountains and beaches.
For me, Vancouver's connection to the outdoors it what makes it livable. i've lived in much more relevant cities when it comes to built form, Edinburgh comes to mind, but the access to what Vancouver has to offer has given me more pleasure, and given the prices in real estate, it would seem many agree. I think the natural setting has made Vancouver lazy.
if you want hip and trendy, better head to TO or back across the pond to London.
To each his own. Some will prefer Vancouver. Some will like somewhere else better. The same person might even have different preferences at different stages of life.
It's a good thing that Canadian cities such as Vancouver, Toronto and Montreal are so different from each other. The one thing they have in common is that they are all part of the greatest country on earth.
#92
Re: Toronto or Vancouver
I'm here in Van a month and a day, and while I reckon it's the kind of place that could grow on you, I'm with that guy Rog - I'm pretty much underwhelmed and bemused at all the reports/comments that I read and heard about how amazing and beautiful Vancouver is.
It's the most laid back place I've ever been to (which is sweet, in a way), but it's more like a big sleepy town than a city! There is no real buzz or feeling of life walking round town. Beautiful - how??! It's def the most bland city I've ever been to and ugly in parts - the stone tower blocks in the West End and overlooking English Bay are a case in point - they are reminiscent of the Ballymun of old in Dublin! Now I haven't been outside the city and definitely they are nice parts - Kitsilano is pretty beautiful and has a really nice, great vibe. Lovely looking beach houses and avenues and very chilled. But to me saying Vancouver is beautiful because of the mountains and surrounding areas is like saying Dublin is beautiful because of the Dublin mountains!! I don't get it.
Don't want to come across as harsh and I realise I'm only here a wee while, but there is no wow factor here and I'm a bit bemused by it all
It's the most laid back place I've ever been to (which is sweet, in a way), but it's more like a big sleepy town than a city! There is no real buzz or feeling of life walking round town. Beautiful - how??! It's def the most bland city I've ever been to and ugly in parts - the stone tower blocks in the West End and overlooking English Bay are a case in point - they are reminiscent of the Ballymun of old in Dublin! Now I haven't been outside the city and definitely they are nice parts - Kitsilano is pretty beautiful and has a really nice, great vibe. Lovely looking beach houses and avenues and very chilled. But to me saying Vancouver is beautiful because of the mountains and surrounding areas is like saying Dublin is beautiful because of the Dublin mountains!! I don't get it.
Don't want to come across as harsh and I realise I'm only here a wee while, but there is no wow factor here and I'm a bit bemused by it all
Last edited by el_richo; Oct 13th 2010 at 5:22 pm.
#93
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Re: Toronto or Vancouver
I agree. I remember going up Grouse Mountain and looking down at Vancouver and the ocean. The view was amazing. Simply stunning.
To each his own. Some will prefer Vancouver. Some will like somewhere else better. The same person might even have different preferences at different stages of life.
It's a good thing that Canadian cities such as Vancouver, Toronto and Montreal are so different from each other. The one thing they have in common is that they are all part of the greatest country on earth.
To each his own. Some will prefer Vancouver. Some will like somewhere else better. The same person might even have different preferences at different stages of life.
It's a good thing that Canadian cities such as Vancouver, Toronto and Montreal are so different from each other. The one thing they have in common is that they are all part of the greatest country on earth.
I do struggle at times with lack of character, where I live is seriously lacking in that department. But having said that, my modern aparment is more livable than a character apartment and the views of downtown, grouse mountain and the lions, sure helps, so there's a compromise.
#94
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Re: Toronto or Vancouver
Very true about life stages, when I was younger i was not impressed with the lack of night life (and it was considerably worse then), now I don't care as much, as bopping till all hours is not a part of my life, nor is trying to make friends or get a career going.
I do struggle at times with lack of character, where I live is seriously lacking in that department. But having said that, my modern aparment is more livable than a character apartment and the views of downtown, grouse mountain and the lions, sure helps, so there's a compromise.
I do struggle at times with lack of character, where I live is seriously lacking in that department. But having said that, my modern aparment is more livable than a character apartment and the views of downtown, grouse mountain and the lions, sure helps, so there's a compromise.
As much as I don't like the monolithic buildings and the almost soviet adherence to a single building style, from a distance they do look very striking.
#95
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Re: Toronto or Vancouver
It truly has. If people think its bad now, they should have seen it when i got here in 1993! I say give the place another 5 - 10 years till it finally grows up. Sure is neat to watch the little fella shoot up though!
How do you find the state of teh buildings/hoods here when comapred to OZ and New Zealand?
How do you find the state of teh buildings/hoods here when comapred to OZ and New Zealand?
Modern buildings wise I don't think Melbourne or Sydney, Auckland or Welly are much chop either. The old buildings are nice but old colonial buildings look good everywhere. I wish cities hung onto their character buildings more. But the new ones? meh. I dont remember being particularly blown away by architecture there, lots of brown brick & glass, which on hot days seemed to just add to the sense of being in a sauna. There isn't really a unifying vision like Van, there's no sense of needing to keep view corridors - one street of glass towers is much like another. The harbour area in Sydney is beautiful, but like M/ned pointed out, that's natural scenery not man-made. The most interesting modern buildings I've seen were in Asia- Hong Kong etc.
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Re: Toronto or Vancouver
There are modern, architect designed, homes about but they are often built by wealthy owners who can afford large enough lots to hide their homes from the street.
#97
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Re: Toronto or Vancouver
I guess my point is that I didn't have that same problem in other major cities. Whether I lived in them or visited them for a short time, I was able to find stuff fairly easily. It just didn't happen in Vancouver. Although now that I think of it, Ottawa is another city that I found to be a bit dull.
I understand your points about architecture. I think when people describe Vancouver as beautiful, they really are talking about the stunning setting(ocean, mountains, beaches, Stanley Park, etc) rather than the city infrastructure. That was the point I was trying to make there.
I understand your points about architecture. I think when people describe Vancouver as beautiful, they really are talking about the stunning setting(ocean, mountains, beaches, Stanley Park, etc) rather than the city infrastructure. That was the point I was trying to make there.
I spent 23 years commuting in the GTA and hated it but I stuck it because I had a good job there. Otherwise, there are some really nice places on the outskirts of Toronto such as Stratford/Lake Huron area, Mennonite country, Halton Hills, Niagara escarpment, Trent system, etc. Like they say on the licence plate, you have to get out and discover these places.
#98
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Re: Toronto or Vancouver
I had never visited Van or even Canada before, but I wanted to live and work and experience life abroad for a while and had heard amazing things about Vancouver. I also wanted to be close to the States so I could travel round it as much as possible. I haven't 'emigrated' like nearly all you folks on here, the plan was to come for around a year
#99
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Re: Toronto or Vancouver
Ok two things which a friend of mine, originally from TO but who moved to Van some years ago (he's mid-30s) mentioned to me, were that in his opinion:
1) A lot of people from Vancouver hate Toronto and think the people there believe it to be the centre of the universe. However, the dislike is certainly not reciprocal and that a lot of people in Toronto actually like the idea of moving out to Vancouver and see it as some sort of laid-back, temperate west coast paradise.
2) People in Vancouver use the mountains, beaches and outdoor activities as reasons why it's a great city, even though they never (or rarely) do any of said activities.
I think I've been in Toronto long enough and spoken to enough people here now to say that I definitely agree with (1). Not so sure about (2) but it makes a certain amount of sense...
Incidentally I don't know why my friend hasn't left Vancouver, he didn't seem to know either...