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British Expats (https://britishexpats.com/forum/)
-   Canada (https://britishexpats.com/forum/canada-56/)
-   -   Tipping Protocol (https://britishexpats.com/forum/canada-56/tipping-protocol-642462/)

Trophy Nov 30th 2009 1:32 am
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Don't mind leaving a tip if I'm happy with the food/service. What does annoy me is if I pay in cash, the server invariably asks if I want change, even without looking to see how much I have handed over to pay the bill.

Kev

Juliew Nov 30th 2009 3:50 am
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Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 8133909)
Completely disagree. In deciding to eat in a restaurant or drink at a bar one does so knowing that the staff in that establishment need and expect 15% of the pre-tax bill to be added as a tip. That's the custom in Canada and people who do not wish to follow the custom should stay at home.
I couldn't agree with you more. Canadians have a saying "If you can't afford to tip then you can't afford to eat out".

Also remember that typically the waiter does not recieve the entire amount of the their tips. They often need to tip out 1 to 3 percent of their total sales to the kitchen and bussing staff. Therefore, if you choose not to tip then you are actually taking money away from the waiter.

Eating out is very reasonable in most parts of Canada. Tipping is expected and very much a part of the culture.

Butch Cassidy Nov 30th 2009 3:51 am
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Originally Posted by el_richo (Post 8135476)
But surely the tip is compiled with the rest of the nights "takings" to be shared amongst all staff? So it shouldn't matter who serves the tight assed ingrates?
Not in MOST establishments in Calgary (AFAIK), as others have suggested EACH server is responsible for paying out the kitchen, bar, hostess and (in many cases) the 'house' Some servers (I know) can be left with as little 10-15% of their tips (so of that $10 you left THEM $1 goes in their pocket)

woodworm Nov 30th 2009 4:04 am
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Originally Posted by el_richo (Post 8135476)
But surely the tip is compiled with the rest of the nights "takings" to be shared amongst all staff? So it shouldn't matter who serves the tight assed ingrates?
sorry , I forgot to mention that I don't work in a restaurant but as a tour guide, and our tips are not pooled but the customers tip you personally and directly, which in the case of a "tight ass" hurts more than in the other case

el_richo Nov 30th 2009 4:14 am
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Originally Posted by Butch Cassidy (Post 8135868)
Not in MOST establishments in Calgary (AFAIK), as others have suggested EACH server is responsible for paying out the kitchen, bar, hostess and (in many cases) the 'house' Some servers (I know) can be left with as little 10-15% of their tips (so of that $10 you left THEM $1 goes in their pocket)
That's interesting. Certainly gives another perspective on the poor bastards who have to work with that.

I've never worked in retail or a service related industry but is this practice the norm in the UK and US too?

Butch Cassidy Nov 30th 2009 4:54 am
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Originally Posted by el_richo (Post 8135926)
That's interesting. Certainly gives another perspective on the poor bastards who have to work with that.

I've never worked in retail or a service related industry but is this practice the norm in the UK and US too?
As far as I know Tips in the UK are pooled, the US operates a similar to Canada

Alan2005 Nov 30th 2009 5:04 am
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Originally Posted by Butch Cassidy (Post 8136032)
As far as I know Tips in the UK are pooled, the US operates a similar to Canada
From the way it's described here, the US and Canadian way seems reprehensible.

(I worked in a bar in the UK 20 years ago, I kept all my tips for myself - which wasn't that many. I remember my boss at the time saying he gave the choice between pooling or not and the men said yes and the women no, there were more women so that's they way it was when I started...:sneaky:)

PMM Nov 30th 2009 5:05 am
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Hi

QUOTE=Butch Cassidy;8136032]As far as I know Tips in the UK are pooled, the US operates a similar to Canada[/QUOTE]

Just an aside to annoy the Aussies. Cruises sold to Australian have the daily per diem included in the price to cover tips about $9.00 per day. As tipping doesn't seem to be a part of the culture, and on cruise all the wait staff and cabin attendants salary is tips.

Butch Cassidy Nov 30th 2009 5:11 am
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Originally Posted by Alan2005 (Post 8136059)
From the way it's described here, the US and Canadian way seems reprehensible.

(I worked in a bar in the UK 20 years ago, I kept all my tips for myself - which wasn't that many. I remember my boss at the time saying he gave the choice between pooling or not and the men said yes and the women no, there were more women so that's they way it was when I started...:sneaky:)
AH now Bars (at least the ones I have 'inside' information on) in Calgary work differently. Bar'people' have a section to work (god help you if work anothers section), they are given 'x' amount of liquor at the start of the night (bottles of beer are counted, spirits are weighed-yes weighed) at the end of the night the amount of liquor is recounted. You are now responsible for paying (out of your takings) for the difference ANYTHING LEFT OVER IS YOURS. A GOOD Barperson will of course make a profit (dont forget most spirits are free poured ;)).

I'm talking about the people that actually stand behind the bar here, not the servers who may provide table service.

Alan2005 Nov 30th 2009 5:20 am
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Originally Posted by Butch Cassidy (Post 8136075)
AH now Bars (at least the ones I have 'inside' information on) in Calgary work differently. Bar'people' have a section to work (god help you if work anothers section), they are given 'x' amount of liquor at the start of the night (bottles of beer are counted, spirits are weighed-yes weighed) at the end of the night the amount of liquor is recounted. You are now responsible for paying (out of your takings) for the difference ANYTHING LEFT OVER IS YOURS. A GOOD Barperson will of course make a profit (dont forget most spirits are free poured ;)).

I'm talking about the people that actually stand behind the bar here, not the servers who may provide table service.
That seems kind of reptilian and cut-throat.

I tip the normal amounts when I go out and don't really think much about it (I don't really want to do it but I cringe like dbd does when people I'm out with don't tip properly). This thread has been a bit of an eye-opener to say the least.

el_richo Dec 1st 2009 1:07 am
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Originally Posted by Alan2005 (Post 8136084)
That seems kind of reptilian and cut-throat.

I tip the normal amounts when I go out and don't really think much about it (I don't really want to do it but I cringe like dbd does when people I'm out with don't tip properly). This thread has been a bit of an eye-opener to say the least.
Although i said what i did about not agreeing with the whole concept, i do actually tip (quite well if the service is good) but knowing how the sharing of tips work now, i'll certainly look at it differently. I feel sorry for the front line staff in that situation.

Falcore Dec 1st 2009 2:31 am
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Educational thread thanks :D

I usually leave 15% of the total bill as I had no idea it should be 15% of the pre tax ammount! Not that it matters too much when we're only there for 4 weeks a year at the mo :lol:

JonboyE Dec 1st 2009 3:18 am
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Originally Posted by Falcore (Post 8138693)
Educational thread thanks :D

I usually leave 15% of the total bill as I had no idea it should be 15% of the pre tax ammount! Not that it matters too much when we're only there for 4 weeks a year at the mo :lol:
Most people I know pay the tip on the whole bill including taxes.

Alan2005 Dec 1st 2009 3:27 am
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Originally Posted by JonboyE (Post 8138800)
Most people I know pay the tip on the whole bill including taxes.
I did that when I first arrived; but quite a few Canadians have told me that I was being an idiot for doing so. I guess it don't make much difference if it's a few drinks for $50.

Steve_P Dec 1st 2009 3:32 am
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Originally Posted by Falcore (Post 8138693)
Educational thread thanks :D

I usually leave 15% of the total bill as I had no idea it should be 15% of the pre tax ammount! Not that it matters too much when we're only there for 4 weeks a year at the mo :lol:
Originally Posted by JonboyE (Post 8138800)
Most people I know pay the tip on the whole bill including taxes.
The difference between tips based on the pre-tax amount and the total bill doesn't really amount to much in the grand scheme of things.


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