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redleaf1 Feb 4th 2010 1:38 pm

Thinking of moving from UK to Canada?
 
You should check this website out first:

The website = ********* dot com
Or Google - *********

If you have skills stay where you are, you will end up in a bad paid job. I moved back to the UK three years ago after moving to Canada, it turned out to be a very costly experience and I am still paying off the debt three years later.

THINK IT THROUGH AND CHECK OUT THE FACTS FIRST

redleaf1 Feb 4th 2010 1:46 pm

Re: Thinking of moving from UK to Canada?
 
A quote from a fellow brit from the website called *******

I wish I had seen this site before I went to Canada. Although I knew something was not quite right with Canada I went anyway. There is nothing on this site that is not true.

Luckily I was able to get out but it has set me back something serious. I can give you a run down of my take on the whole situation and why I had left within six months if you like but it will just be echoes of the 'big eight'.

I hope your site reaches far and wide and hits home to those who want to go there. I still hear all the time how people want to go to Canada and are amazed I left. When you try and tell them why, you can see in thier eyes they have just 'shut down'. The Canadian propaganda machine is a marvel to behold!! I still snowboard there but at the end of the two weeks I am always glad I get to leave, as is my Canadian wife!

Anyway, all the best

Ian Flower (UK)

Auld Yin Feb 4th 2010 1:57 pm

Re: Thinking of moving from UK to Canada?
 
What's the point of your posts? Why don't you just have your rant and get it over with? There are other lengthy threads started by other Canada non-likers (perhaps read haters), so what you say wouldn't be a revelation to anyone on this forum.

redleaf1 Feb 4th 2010 2:11 pm

Re: Thinking of moving from UK to Canada?
 
Hey I am just trying to make people aware that its not the dream that most people think it is. Trying to save them from making the same mistake as me!!

If you think Im joking about jobs do a job search! On UK sites and Canadian sites!

What few jobs there are go to people they know not the people with qualifications. If you check out the website I told you you will see Im not the only one!

Auld Yin Feb 4th 2010 2:51 pm

Re: Thinking of moving from UK to Canada?
 

Originally Posted by redleaf1 (Post 8313359)
Hey I am just trying to make people aware that its not the dream that most people think it is. Trying to save them from making the same mistake as me!!

If you think Im joking about jobs do a job search! On UK sites and Canadian sites!

What few jobs there are go to people they know not the people with qualifications. If you check out the website I told you you will see Im not the only one!

That site has been flogged all over the place. You didn't discover it. Despite people such as you there are many posters on this site still wanting to come to Canada. They already know the possible pitfalls they face. They know it's not Utopia and not for everyone. If you had bad experiences that's unfortunate but you weren't the first and you certainly won't be the last.

mandymoochops Feb 4th 2010 4:22 pm

Re: Thinking of moving from UK to Canada?
 
There's loads of posts for and against, but seriously if you let your ultimate decision be based upon others viewpoints on a website as opposed to your own findings in 'real life' you probably shouldn't be doing something big like moving to Canada anyway.

dboy Feb 4th 2010 4:28 pm

Re: Thinking of moving from UK to Canada?
 

Originally Posted by redleaf1 (Post 8313302)
You should check this website out first:

The website = ********* dot com
Or Google - *********

If you have skills stay where you are, you will end up in a bad paid job. I moved back to the UK three years ago after moving to Canada, it turned out to be a very costly experience and I am still paying off the debt three years later.

THINK IT THROUGH AND CHECK OUT THE FACTS FIRST

YAWN!!!!!!!!!

Aviator Feb 4th 2010 4:55 pm

Re: Thinking of moving from UK to Canada?
 
Another pointless thread.

minimeeze Feb 4th 2010 5:53 pm

Re: Thinking of moving from UK to Canada?
 

Originally Posted by redleaf1 (Post 8313302)
You should check this website out first:

The website = ********* dot com
Or Google - *********

If you have skills stay where you are, you will end up in a bad paid job.

THINK IT THROUGH AND CHECK OUT THE FACTS FIRST

That is a rather sweeping generalisation! I have skills, my job is in demand here and I earn about 3x what I was paid in the UK, with more job satisfaction here. But then I did check the facts first :p In fact, I think that anyone that comes over here without checking the facts, is setting theirself up for failure.

Poppit Feb 4th 2010 10:06 pm

Re: Thinking of moving from UK to Canada?
 
Well, I can't wait to start my dream in Canada. :D

I've researched and visited many times in the last 5 years (winter and summer) and know it will be tough, but hey, I'm willing to give it a go. If I don't settle I'll come back, but fully intend to give it at least 3 - 4 years because I expect it to take that long to fully integrate into another country and the way of life. And yes, I am going with my eyes wide open.

Goodluck to those returning / returned to the UK and goodluck to those of us going. :thumbsup:

Poppit

el_richo Feb 4th 2010 11:07 pm

Re: Thinking of moving from UK to Canada?
 

Originally Posted by redleaf1 (Post 8313302)
THINK IT THROUGH AND CHECK OUT THE FACTS FIRST


I take it you didn't :rofl:

Strawberry Feb 4th 2010 11:20 pm

Re: Thinking of moving from UK to Canada?
 
"Although I knew something was not quite right with Canada I went anyway"


:unsure: Why?

PS. Could someone please help me as to how you quote a part of someone else post? :o I just copied and pasted above.;)

iaink Feb 5th 2010 12:59 am

Re: Thinking of moving from UK to Canada?
 

Originally Posted by Strawberry (Post 8314436)
"Although I knew something was not quite right with Canada I went anyway"


:unsure: Why?

PS. Could someone please help me as to how you quote a part of someone else post? :o I just copied and pasted above.;)

Just hit the "quote" box????

Redleaf, if you go around the *** filter again you will be considered a spammer and banned.

Strawberry Feb 5th 2010 1:20 am

Re: Thinking of moving from UK to Canada?
 

Originally Posted by iaink (Post 8314673)
Just hit the "quote" box????

Redleaf, if you go around the *** filter again you will be considered a spammer and banned.

yep I know that, I suppose you just delete the bits you dont want to quote..;)

CurtNIR Feb 5th 2010 1:23 am

Re: Thinking of moving from UK to Canada?
 
I fart in your general direction ...

iaink Feb 5th 2010 2:11 am

Re: Thinking of moving from UK to Canada?
 

Originally Posted by Strawberry (Post 8314715)
yep I know that, I suppose you just delete the bits you dont want to quote..;)

Yup, just be sure to leave the pair of {quote} text {/quote} markers behind though...if you accidentally delete some of that then the text wont be in the quote area.

backhomeagain Feb 5th 2010 4:35 am

Re: Thinking of moving from UK to Canada?
 
Hy all
Thought I would stoke the fire as its been quiet as of late!

Our move to Canada was never meant to be temporary but permanent, just so anybody who thinks that temporary foreign worker means temporary, it does not. What it means is temporary until your papers have been processed and your PR is in the works. Which is what we were hoping to achieve.

Wifey and me came to Calgary in January 2008 after I was sponsored for an engineering job. 7 weeks later I got laid off. 3 months later after going all through HRSDC, I got a company to get an LMO with my name attached. 3 months later I got laid off.

After another 3 months of waiting for HRSC to get their act together I managed to get into another company with an LMO. One year and 3 days later, I got laid off.

After applying for over 36 jobs, I have all but thrown in the towel. The replies I did receive back usually had one thing in common. We don’t have an LMO. And we all know, no LMO - no job, at least for us foreign workers anyway.

In the last seven days I have been offered two jobs, one paying $15 p/h and one paying
$27 p/h. I made the appointment to see the HR manager who offered me $15 p/h to run a laser machine cutting metal components. I was in heaven - a job at last. Turns out his LMO is just about to expire and HRSDC are not renewing. So, he now has to let his foreign workers go once that happens and he tells me that he had over 1500 applications, mostly from foreigners. He interviewed a handful of Canadians but they obviously decided the jobs were not good enough and did not go back for interviews.
So now he has only a handful of people working for him in this huge factory which I was privvy to walk round during my interview.

My second job offer was from a company in Lloydminster. $27 an hour. Fantastic, but we would have to relocate. Not a problem. But one thing is standing between me and that job. HRSDC.

Once again the brain dead dickheads are refusing to issue a new LMO so foreign workers can have some form of life here. HRSDC have refused this company 3 LMOs and the company boss is having to let his workers go because of this stupidity. This factory is not as big as the previous one, in fact a lot smaller - but will have to shut down operations if they cannot find people to work there.

His words to me on the phone were, “I have foreign workers who are willing to work and can work, and I have Canadian workers who don’t want the work”. Perhaps I’m missing the big picture here, but surely if you can fill a position with a worker, be it foreign or Canadian and keep the factory operational, then surely this is better for everybody?

Alberta it seems is the only province that seems to be causing grief to so many people, Newfoundland, B.C. and other provinces are issuing LMOs as normal when the criteria has been met. Seems the plonkers at HRSDC are saying NO LMO before they even read the application.

So then, I assume the villains here are those dictators or should I say dickheads at HRSDC.
Meanwhile, I sit here with thumb up my ass hoping this other company will get a positive result with the Immigration lawyer.

If you are unemployed, you have my sympathy. You wont get nothing from HRSDC thats for sure.

One other thing I forgot to mention.
HRSDC still require proof you are looking for work!!!!!!!!!!!

iaink Feb 5th 2010 4:44 am

Re: Thinking of moving from UK to Canada?
 

Originally Posted by Squiddgelalert (Post 8315303)
Hy all
Thought I would stoke the fire as its been quiet as of late!

Our move to Canada was never meant to be temporary but permanent, just so anybody who thinks that temporary foreign worker means temporary, it does not. What it means is temporary until your papers have been processed and your PR is in the works. Which is what we were hoping to achieve.

Er, no, it doesnt, it means temporary. You may have other plans, but anything else that springs from it should be seen as a bonus, but in NO WAY guaranteed until you have a PR visa in your hand!


Temporary is just that because economies change, political policies change, and as a temporary worker you are here strickly for the convenience of the Canadian economy and tax payer.

It sucks that you find yourself in the middle of a recession, buy the LMO process is there to protect not just the temporary worker in seeing that they get a fair wage, but also the canadian workforce to make sure they get first dibs on any jobs.

backhomeagain Feb 5th 2010 4:47 am

Re: Thinking of moving from UK to Canada?
 
Yesss, but if you dont apply for your PR then you are temporary - we know this.

el_richo Feb 5th 2010 5:13 am

Re: Thinking of moving from UK to Canada?
 

Originally Posted by Squiddgelalert (Post 8315303)
...just so anybody who thinks that temporary foreign worker means temporary, it does not.

:confused:

ExKiwilass Feb 5th 2010 6:20 am

Re: Thinking of moving from UK to Canada?
 
Squig, that does sound ridiculous, but dude, temporary is temporary.

having said that, I'm sorry you're going through this. I guess the lesson is don't rely on anything when you're on a temporary visa.

backhomeagain Feb 5th 2010 6:42 am

Re: Thinking of moving from UK to Canada?
 
Dear Kiwi
So far the comments have been about the temporary status - I would like to hear from people and their thoughts as to why HRSDC are happy to see companies shut down rather then let foreign workers work for them. Doesnt it seem starnge two companies phone me offering work and then say if we cant get an LMO and employpeople we may have to shut the doors permanently?

iaink Feb 5th 2010 6:46 am

Re: Thinking of moving from UK to Canada?
 

Originally Posted by Squiddgelalert (Post 8315551)
. Doesnt it seem starnge two companies phone me offering work and then say if we cant get an LMO and employpeople we may have to shut the doors permanently?

Yes, it does. Maybe they are not paying the going rate and are therefore not attracting the local candidates? There is likely more to this than meets the naked eye?

R I C H Feb 5th 2010 6:51 am

Re: Thinking of moving from UK to Canada?
 

Originally Posted by Squiddgelalert (Post 8315551)
I would like to hear from people and their thoughts as to why HRSDC are happy to see companies shut down rather then let foreign workers work for them. Doesnt it seem starnge two companies phone me offering work and then say if we cant get an LMO and employpeople we may have to shut the doors permanently?

You're trying to apply logic to government policy. You'll get greater pleasure out of self-harming.

Bureaucracy doesn't move fast, no matter what country you're in or which government's in power. There'll always be a lag between economic circumstances, reality on the street and appropriate policy. You're just unlucky to be caught in a difficult situation.

backhomeagain Feb 5th 2010 6:51 am

Re: Thinking of moving from UK to Canada?
 
The company in question is called BendTec and is located in Lloydminster - click on the web site and check out careers. At $27 an hour I would think anybody would be attracted to this wage.

backhomeagain Feb 5th 2010 6:54 am

Re: Thinking of moving from UK to Canada?
 
I am sure you are right - but why are HRSDC so blanketed by whats happening now? The owner of the company has to talk to an immigration lawyer to see if he can employ people - come on!!!!! What is wrong here??

el_richo Feb 5th 2010 6:58 am

Re: Thinking of moving from UK to Canada?
 

Originally Posted by Squiddgelalert (Post 8315576)
The company in question is called BendTec and is located in Lloydminster

Aaah well that says it all ;)

backhomeagain Feb 5th 2010 7:02 am

Re: Thinking of moving from UK to Canada?
 
sorry elricho - you've lost me

ExKiwilass Feb 5th 2010 7:25 am

Re: Thinking of moving from UK to Canada?
 

Originally Posted by R I C H (Post 8315572)
Bureaucracy doesn't move fast, no matter what country you're in or which government's in power. There'll always be a lag between economic circumstances, reality on the street and appropriate policy. You're just unlucky to be caught in a difficult situation.

THis.

backhomeagain Feb 5th 2010 7:32 am

Re: Thinking of moving from UK to Canada?
 
Bet I can beat that KIWI

Calgarites by definition:

Unsociablemiscrantictwofacedsayonethingmeananother lazymother****erscantworkwontworkdontgiveashitwhot heyupsetwasteofspace****ers.

Yeah!

magic_stag Feb 5th 2010 7:34 am

Re: Thinking of moving from UK to Canada?
 

Originally Posted by redleaf1 (Post 8313359)
Hey I am just trying to make people aware that its not the dream that most people think it is. Trying to save them from making the same mistake as me!!

If you think Im joking about jobs do a job search! On UK sites and Canadian sites!

What few jobs there are go to people they know not the people with qualifications. If you check out the website I told you you will see Im not the only one!

Hi I cannot read your website reference it is in asterisks. I have a desire to migrate to Canada and would like to prepare myself before I go - the pros and cons. Thanks for your post.

Steve_P Feb 5th 2010 7:46 am

Re: Thinking of moving from UK to Canada?
 

Originally Posted by Squiddgelalert (Post 8315651)
Bet I can beat that KIWI

Calgarites by definition:

Unsociable miscrantic two faced say one thing mean another lazy mother****ers cant work wont work dont give a shit who they upset waste of space ****ers.

Yeah!

:confused:
My we are bitter aren't we. :sneaky:

I presume you are referring to Calgarians, never heard of Calgarites.;)

ExKiwilass Feb 5th 2010 7:56 am

Re: Thinking of moving from UK to Canada?
 
Maybe it's a form of Calgon?

airbornesapper Feb 5th 2010 8:14 am

Re: Thinking of moving from UK to Canada?
 
Is Canada the Best Place in the World for Expats to Live?

http://www.shelteroffshore.com/index...-to-live-10671

"If you’re looking for a seemingly welcoming nation where you can potentially find a better quality of life, make friends easily, settle in and integrate smoothly therefore, Canada is number one!"

I guess not everyone finds it that way.....luckily, I did.

Have a great weekend folks....:)

iaink Feb 5th 2010 8:29 am

Re: Thinking of moving from UK to Canada?
 
1 Attachment(s)
I believe the attached pdf is the HSBC report the article references...

el_richo Feb 5th 2010 8:44 am

Re: Thinking of moving from UK to Canada?
 

Originally Posted by Squiddgelalert (Post 8315595)
sorry elricho - you've lost me

Lloydminster......I wouldn't say it's high on the list of dream places :D


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