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-   -   Is there any way?? (https://britishexpats.com/forum/canada-56/there-any-way-657755/)

act1980 Mar 5th 2010 9:26 am
Re: Is there any way??
 
Originally Posted by lmartin999 (Post 8397509)
What form? The Canadian one is only for customs. Nothing to do with immigration.
Oh really, I couldn't remember as I have only filled it out twice.

So basically she won't be asked about convictions, good to know:thumbup:

el_richo Mar 5th 2010 9:55 am
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Originally Posted by mandymoochops (Post 8397398)
With your "chip n pin" passport as I like to call them I would like to think that the only info stored there would be that which is in paper format on your passport, ie name dob, pic, the countries you have travelled to and the oes you have been refused entry to and why.

However without wanting to go all big brother on everyone - who knows whats on there?

Like ER and DBD said though - I bet theres thousands of people around the world that have travelled with convictions for things, and haven't even thought it would be problematic enough for them to mention it.

Because of this, i'll wager that sort of info isn't stored.

But what do I know - CIA / FBI / MI5 etc won't be beating down my door as a recruit for my intelligence in matters such as this.
When my wife had a mix up with her visa, she had notes taken by UK immigration at LHR and this remained within her passport details and she was questioned every time we arrived in the UK. I was speaking to the officer and he said the information remains silo'd and, at that time, information wasn't exchanged between UK & Canada (including via passports).

In my previous post i said 2004/5 but thinking about it now, this was back in 2006/7 period so could easily have changed.

ann m Mar 5th 2010 3:41 pm
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You friend would only need to get in an accident in the hire car, or assaulted or robbed or any other (admittedly unlikely) incident and it could all go tits up. Then they might not be visiting you ... ever ;)

I suspect the risk is pretty low - but what is their risk factor like?

G77 Mar 5th 2010 4:33 pm
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There's a certain amount of irony in the fact that drink driving is socially acceptable in Canada, yet they won't admit people from other countries who have been convicted of it..... Bit unjust is it not?

act1980 Mar 5th 2010 9:04 pm
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Originally Posted by G77 (Post 8398373)
There's a certain amount of irony in the fact that drink driving is socially acceptable in Canada, yet they won't admit people from other countries who have been convicted of it..... Bit unjust is it not?
That is very true!

act1980 Mar 5th 2010 9:07 pm
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Originally Posted by ann m (Post 8398280)
You friend would only need to get in an accident in the hire car, or assaulted or robbed or any other (admittedly unlikely) incident and it could all go tits up. Then they might not be visiting you ... ever ;)

I suspect the risk is pretty low - but what is their risk factor like?
No, they are not high risk at all. They just did a stupid thing a couple of years ago. It was a one off and they have never been in any other trouble in their life apart from this one incident.

ann m Mar 6th 2010 3:28 am
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Originally Posted by act1980 (Post 8398746)
No, they are not high risk at all. They just did a stupid thing a couple of years ago. It was a one off and they have never been in any other trouble in their life apart from this one incident.
No - I didn't mean that your friend would be the risk.

I meant that something else could happen to them, out of their control, which might then bring in unwanted questions !

act1980 Mar 6th 2010 9:08 am
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Originally Posted by ann m (Post 8399371)
No - I didn't mean that your friend would be the risk.

I meant that something else could happen to them, out of their control, which might then bring in unwanted questions !
That is true. I guess thats the risk she will have to take.:unsure:

sparkling_gal Mar 6th 2010 4:19 pm
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I would take the risk if she really wants to go - I doubt they would know about her conviction. My friend's husband went to the US after being convicted of digging up a small tree and stealing it while under the influence and he got in ok.

act1980 Mar 7th 2010 11:40 pm
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Also, if they did have access to a UK citizens criminal records then why do they request a CRC when you apply for a visa?

Pincher Mar 8th 2010 1:37 am
Re: Is there any way??
 
Hi. I work for the police at a port. We don't share criminal records information with the Europeans, so it's highly unlikely that we would do like wise with the Canadians or Americans. The system would be too expensive. If such a thing exisited I'm sure I would have heard of it.
As a visitor you friend should have nothing to worry about. I can't see an IO asking about previous convictions at point of entry for a visitor.

act1980 Mar 8th 2010 6:40 pm
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Originally Posted by Pincher (Post 8403992)
Hi. I work for the police at a port. We don't share criminal records information with the Europeans, so it's highly unlikely that we would do like wise with the Canadians or Americans. The system would be too expensive. If such a thing exisited I'm sure I would have heard of it.
As a visitor you friend should have nothing to worry about. I can't see an IO asking about previous convictions at point of entry for a visitor.
Thanks for your reply :)

I am just hoping for her sake they don't keep records. I can't imagine they do as like I mentioned, why would they request a criminal record check from visa applicants!

ScottyB Mar 8th 2010 9:22 pm
Re: Is there any way??
 
Originally Posted by Pincher (Post 8403992)
Hi. I work for the police at a port. We don't share criminal records information with the Europeans, so it's highly unlikely that we would do like wise with the Canadians or Americans. The system would be too expensive. If such a thing exisited I'm sure I would have heard of it.
As a visitor you friend should have nothing to worry about. I can't see an IO asking about previous convictions at point of entry for a visitor.
They won't ask about convictions but the visa waiver form clearly asks you if you have any!

I know of 3 people who have entered Canada, have criminal records ranging from DD to Assault and they all were economical with the truth on their visa waiver forms and had no issues.

She has several choices:

1 - Risk it - worse case scenario she will be refused entry, turned round on the next flight back to the UK and she will need to foot the bill. This will also affect possible future entries to Canada

2 - Apply for the info only on the Criminal Rehab as her offence was less than 5 years ago but this will take time and probably wont be ready for this holiday.

Since you were asking about the USA.

I have a criminal record and it took me 1 day in Belfast to secure a 10 year USA visitors visa to enable me to go to Vegas for my brothers wedding.

Totally painless apart from gathering all of the ACPO cert and other proof.

Currently going through the Canadian Full rehab as my offence was over 5 years ago.

Hope this helps.

Regards

ScottyB


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