Sympathy, empathy or tough luck?
#32
Re: Sympathy, empathy or tough luck?
The taped mouth and fetch my coat ones will just have to do...
#33
Re: Sympathy, empathy or tough luck?
I read things on here for a long time before I ever posted anything.
In the beginning it was just sympathy or silliness (Say a Harmless Lie about the Previous Poster etc).
Once I had some experience of a couple of things, I posted with that when people asked.
Now my experience is greater, I post when I think I have something to say which might add to the OP's bank of info or comment.
As everyone's circumstances are different, I believe that no one person has the definitive on everything and posters should read as many comments as they can about a topic and use the whole batch to make their comparisons with their own situation.
Whether they then use this to guide their choices or just ignore the whole lot is up to them.
I have sympathy for people who are in a bad situation, whether it is partly or wholly down to their own decisions because everyone can make mistakes.
I can empathise with those whose troubles I have also encountered personally.
I never think "tough luck!" about anyone - why would you when the function is to help people?
But I do sometimes feel confused and frustrated about the way people rush into this without researching it, don't do anything to help themselves and then ask for help when it all goes pear shaped.
I also wonder how some people can expect to be helped when they ask for advice when it is too late for it to be of any use to them.
I always hope the forum (and me as part of it) can prevent other people making the same mistakes that we did or prevent them going through the same worries or upset.
In the beginning it was just sympathy or silliness (Say a Harmless Lie about the Previous Poster etc).
Once I had some experience of a couple of things, I posted with that when people asked.
Now my experience is greater, I post when I think I have something to say which might add to the OP's bank of info or comment.
As everyone's circumstances are different, I believe that no one person has the definitive on everything and posters should read as many comments as they can about a topic and use the whole batch to make their comparisons with their own situation.
Whether they then use this to guide their choices or just ignore the whole lot is up to them.
I have sympathy for people who are in a bad situation, whether it is partly or wholly down to their own decisions because everyone can make mistakes.
I can empathise with those whose troubles I have also encountered personally.
I never think "tough luck!" about anyone - why would you when the function is to help people?
But I do sometimes feel confused and frustrated about the way people rush into this without researching it, don't do anything to help themselves and then ask for help when it all goes pear shaped.
I also wonder how some people can expect to be helped when they ask for advice when it is too late for it to be of any use to them.
I always hope the forum (and me as part of it) can prevent other people making the same mistakes that we did or prevent them going through the same worries or upset.
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Re: Sympathy, empathy or tough luck?
This is the sort of thing that I am referring to.
[Edited to add] If you do decide to ship your tools and are going to use them in your trade then you will be charged tax and duty on them, so make sure you describe them as for home use.
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I wont name the poster but I guess he or she doesnt really care if the person gets caught misdescribing the goods use to CBSA. They wont be on the hook for any terms of release for the goods if seized or worse case scenario prosecution. Nice way to start your life in a new country and wondering why you always seem to be referred to secondary examination when entering back into Canada.
Trying to save a few bucks can actually cost you more if not being truthful.
[Edited to add] If you do decide to ship your tools and are going to use them in your trade then you will be charged tax and duty on them, so make sure you describe them as for home use.
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I wont name the poster but I guess he or she doesnt really care if the person gets caught misdescribing the goods use to CBSA. They wont be on the hook for any terms of release for the goods if seized or worse case scenario prosecution. Nice way to start your life in a new country and wondering why you always seem to be referred to secondary examination when entering back into Canada.
Trying to save a few bucks can actually cost you more if not being truthful.
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Re: Sympathy, empathy or tough luck?
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I wont name the poster but I guess he or she doesnt really care if the person gets caught misdescribing the goods use to CBSA. They wont be on the hook for any terms of release for the goods if seized or worse case scenario prosecution. Nice way to start your life in a new country and wondering why you always seem to be referred to secondary examination when entering back into Canada.
Trying to save a few bucks can actually cost you more if not being truthful.[/QUOTE]
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Re: Sympathy, empathy or tough luck?
Some of the info is very informative, detailed and of help but there have been times when I have cringed at some of the info or suggestions being given out.
If you read a thread do you sympathiz(s)e, empathiz(s)e or think tough luck? I only ask this as maybe some poor soul will take some of the info on here and arrive in Canada and face being returned because of some ill informed advice they took from these forums.
p.s. you never know what type of Govt worker reads these forums lol.
Does this make it somewhat clearer??????
Basically you are telling someone to misdescribe the use of his tools to avoid paying any duties and taxes lawfully payable on those items.
If you read a thread do you sympathiz(s)e, empathiz(s)e or think tough luck? I only ask this as maybe some poor soul will take some of the info on here and arrive in Canada and face being returned because of some ill informed advice they took from these forums.
p.s. you never know what type of Govt worker reads these forums lol.
Does this make it somewhat clearer??????
Basically you are telling someone to misdescribe the use of his tools to avoid paying any duties and taxes lawfully payable on those items.
#37
Re: Sympathy, empathy or tough luck?
That seems reasonable enough, if the border guard makes a fuss then the tool owner will have to pay the tax, if not, he won't, there's no moral case for the tax to be paid so it's worth a try.
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Re: Sympathy, empathy or tough luck?
I recommended buying new in Canada. I told him he would not be allowed to use his UK tools in his trade but he could bring them for personal use. As such, he would be able to import them as settler's effects under tariff code 9807.00.00. As the tools would be professional quality my advice is for him to make sure he describes them as for personal use.
Any problem with this?
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Re: Sympathy, empathy or tough luck?
I recommended buying new in Canada. I told him he would not be allowed to use his UK tools in his trade but he could bring them for personal use. As such, he would be able to import them as settler's effects under tariff code 9807.00.00. As the tools would be professional quality my advice is for him to make sure he describes them as for personal use.
Any problem with this?
No problem with this at all. The problem I had was in the post where you wrote this
[Edited to add] If you do decide to ship your tools and are going to use them in your trade then you will be charged tax and duty on them, so make sure you describe them as for home use.
My interpretation of that is misdescribing the goods for their use.
Any problem with this?
No problem with this at all. The problem I had was in the post where you wrote this
[Edited to add] If you do decide to ship your tools and are going to use them in your trade then you will be charged tax and duty on them, so make sure you describe them as for home use.
My interpretation of that is misdescribing the goods for their use.
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Re: Sympathy, empathy or tough luck?
I recommended buying new in Canada. I told him he would not be allowed to use his UK tools in his trade but he could bring them for personal use. As such, he would be able to import them as settler's effects under tariff code 9807.00.00. As the tools would be professional quality my advice is for him to make sure he describes them as for personal use.
Any problem with this?
No problem with this at all. The problem I had was in the post where you wrote this
[Edited to add] If you do decide to ship your tools and are going to use them in your trade then you will be charged tax and duty on them, so make sure you describe them as for home use.
My interpretation of that is misdescribing the goods for their use.
Any problem with this?
No problem with this at all. The problem I had was in the post where you wrote this
[Edited to add] If you do decide to ship your tools and are going to use them in your trade then you will be charged tax and duty on them, so make sure you describe them as for home use.
My interpretation of that is misdescribing the goods for their use.
My interpretation of this is that you are counseling people to pay cash and avoid sales taxes. Which is a bit naughty for someone who purports to be a Customs Officer.
Last edited by JonboyE; Nov 23rd 2011 at 3:45 am.
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Re: Sympathy, empathy or tough luck?
I admit that I wrote the following
get them to send the money instead and buy it here that way you dont end up paying any taxes
If you read the thread that was posted in we are referring to gifts being sent.
As we all know that any one gift cannot exceed the $60 Cad limit. So if Auntie Doris was to send the PS3 lets say valued at $300 Cad then the recipient could be on the hook for paying the applicable taxes on $240 Cad.
A slight difference one could say but hey you read into it what you want.
As for the accusation well take that how you will your choice but the sentence was in your words not mine.
get them to send the money instead and buy it here that way you dont end up paying any taxes
If you read the thread that was posted in we are referring to gifts being sent.
As we all know that any one gift cannot exceed the $60 Cad limit. So if Auntie Doris was to send the PS3 lets say valued at $300 Cad then the recipient could be on the hook for paying the applicable taxes on $240 Cad.
A slight difference one could say but hey you read into it what you want.
As for the accusation well take that how you will your choice but the sentence was in your words not mine.
#44
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personally I find it difficult to follow threads when quotes are not used in context
If quoting, then it is easier to follow if either the full quote is used & the text highlighted that the comment is about, or at least keep the name of the poster quoted as when in the same thread they can be found easily
It reminds me of an old advert for the grondiad about needing to see the full picture
I use BE to see what other people have experienced & the opinions held, just like trip advisor / amazon reviews. Conflicting views & opinions are held on the same thing on BE, just as they are on those.
It is also really useful as people help by pointing to more formal links for info.
Whilst no one can prevent a reader confusing BE for something more formal than it is, BE & its posters can hardly be blamed for that, unless someone overtly states that is professional advice & I am not sure I have ever seen that.
If quoting, then it is easier to follow if either the full quote is used & the text highlighted that the comment is about, or at least keep the name of the poster quoted as when in the same thread they can be found easily
It reminds me of an old advert for the grondiad about needing to see the full picture
I use BE to see what other people have experienced & the opinions held, just like trip advisor / amazon reviews. Conflicting views & opinions are held on the same thing on BE, just as they are on those.
It is also really useful as people help by pointing to more formal links for info.
Whilst no one can prevent a reader confusing BE for something more formal than it is, BE & its posters can hardly be blamed for that, unless someone overtly states that is professional advice & I am not sure I have ever seen that.
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Re: Sympathy, empathy or tough luck?
The cynic in me will aways wonder if this was prompted by a topic about paying $10,000 dollars for a visa, and the ins and outs of jumping the border??