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liam62244 Apr 11th 2008 12:49 am

Studying in Canada - need help!
 
Hey there,

I have been looking at all my options to get into Canada on a more perm basis. Doing a 1 year Business certificate in Manitoba or Saskachewan seems my best option. That way once i finish the course i can get a province nomination as long as i find a job offer.

But i have one question....

When I left school at 16 with my G.C.S.E's in 2001 I didnt get amazing grades just 1 C and the rest were D's and some E's. Im a clever guy now at the age of 23 and have been working for a solicitors since leaving school. How can I get into a college with poor grades? The college's want me to pay there fees and aply before they will tell me if its good enough.

Anyone with any experience in applying to a college in canada would be great help.

They wont accept me under the mature student cat as im international.

Cassie 10000 Apr 11th 2008 1:19 am

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Just wanted to say hi, sorry can't help with your question but someone will be along soon, I'm sure. ;)

Mrs Miggins Apr 11th 2008 3:25 am

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to put it politely your college is dicking you about and you really ought to look elsewhere........this is spoken as a mature student on a SP.

You may indeed need a year of "upgrading",,,,,,, however, it sounds like the college that you are applying to may not really cater for internation students.

Speak to Nadia Henwood at Lethbridge college, she knows her stuff, and here in Alberta they are used to internation students

All the best
Mrs M (also fees aren't usually payable until the first week of term!)

liam62244 Apr 11th 2008 3:34 am

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They do accept international students. The university in question is Brandon University.

The reason why I didnt choose Alberta or B.C is because I only want to do a 1 year course. For me to get Province Nomination in Alberta or B.C I would have to complete at least 2 years of study.

I can only afford 1 year as its pretty expensive. Plus not being aloud to work on a student visa dosnt help. Also having to proove i have $10,000 living expenses plus tuition fees before CIC will issue visa.

daft batty Apr 11th 2008 9:46 am

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Originally Posted by Mrs Miggins (Post 6194083)
to put it politely your college is dicking you about and you really ought to look elsewhere........this is spoken as a mature student on a SP.

You may indeed need a year of "upgrading",,,,,,, however, it sounds like the college that you are applying to may not really cater for internation students.

Speak to Nadia Henwood at Lethbridge college, she knows her stuff, and here in Alberta they are used to internation students

All the best
Mrs M (also fees aren't usually payable until the first week of term!)

Fees in Ontario are due a few weeks ahead of term. You dont pay you dont get admitted to classes.

Almost Canadian Apr 11th 2008 9:58 am

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Originally Posted by liam62244 (Post 6194127)
They do accept international students. The university in question is Brandon University.

The reason why I didnt choose Alberta or B.C is because I only want to do a 1 year course. For me to get Province Nomination in Alberta or B.C I would have to complete at least 2 years of study.

I can only afford 1 year as its pretty expensive. Plus not being aloud to work on a student visa dosnt help. Also having to proove i have $10,000 living expenses plus tuition fees before CIC will issue visa.

I hope your intelligence is better than your spelling:p

Just kidding, I'm sure you can speak and write perfect England

Novocastrian Apr 11th 2008 11:16 am

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Originally Posted by liam62244 (Post 6193178)
Hey there,

I have been looking at all my options to get into Canada on a more perm basis. Doing a 1 year Business certificate in Manitoba or Saskachewan seems my best option. That way once i finish the course i can get a province nomination as long as i find a job offer.

But i have one question....

When I left school at 16 with my G.C.S.E's in 2001 I didnt get amazing grades just 1 C and the rest were D's and some E's. Im a clever guy now at the age of 23 and have been working for a solicitors since leaving school. How can I get into a college with poor grades? The college's want me to pay there fees and aply before they will tell me if its good enough.

Anyone with any experience in applying to a college in canada would be great help.

They wont accept me under the mature student cat as im international.

Forgive me if I've misunderstood what you are planning to try to do, but I'd say the chances of you getting admitted to any Canadian university course on the strength of a handful of mediocre GCSEs (I'm old enough to call them O-levels) are precisely zero.

Sorry.

Jerseygirl Apr 11th 2008 11:22 am

Re: Studying in Canada - need help!
 

Originally Posted by liam62244 (Post 6193178)
Hey there,

I have been looking at all my options to get into Canada on a more perm basis. Doing a 1 year Business certificate in Manitoba or Saskachewan seems my best option. That way once i finish the course i can get a province nomination as long as i find a job offer.

But i have one question....

When I left school at 16 with my G.C.S.E's in 2001 I didnt get amazing grades just 1 C and the rest were D's and some E's. Im a clever guy now at the age of 23 and have been working for a solicitors since leaving school. How can I get into a college with poor grades? The college's want me to pay there fees and aply before they will tell me if its good enough.

Anyone with any experience in applying to a college in canada would be great help.

They wont accept me under the mature student cat as im international.

My daughter attended the University of Toronto as an International Student. Yes you have to apply and pay the application fee before they will say yes or no. I can only speak for U of T...they were only interested in good grades and were not interested in extra curricular activities.

If you are accepted you will have to apply for a Student Study Visa. You will have to provide proof that you can pay all the university fees and have the money to support yourself until the course ends.

I'm not sure whether you will be able to stay in Canada...even for a few months when your course ends because it's only a one year course.

Mrs Miggins Apr 11th 2008 3:36 pm

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Originally Posted by daft batty (Post 6195845)
Fees in Ontario are due a few weeks ahead of term. You dont pay you dont get admitted to classes.


Okies - I take that back, apologies!!
Mrs M x

Jerseygirl Apr 11th 2008 3:46 pm

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As an International Student you are required to take out the university's private health care insurance. This is mandatory for Ontario...I presume it will be the same for the other provinces.

mjehanzeb Apr 12th 2008 10:10 pm

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I would like to know if someone has applied for Student visa while his/her immigration was under process? Are they reluctant to issue student visa to such applicants? Will appreciate if someone has actually did this or knows about it. Thanks in advance.

liam62244 Apr 13th 2008 7:48 pm

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Originally Posted by Novocastrian (Post 6196063)
Forgive me if I've misunderstood what you are planning to try to do, but I'd say the chances of you getting admitted to any Canadian university course on the strength of a handful of mediocre GCSEs (I'm old enough to call them O-levels) are precisely zero.

Sorry.

So because I had poor G.C.S.E Grades when I was 16 it means i cant go further in life???

With those poor grades ive managed to become a Legal Cashier for one of the U.K's largest Law firms.

benjy25 Apr 14th 2008 12:37 am

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Liam, that may be so but you will need a substantial academic background to be accepted to a decent course in Canada. Any University or higher education body worth attending (and thus likely to provide courses which will be of academic or vocational worth) will require at the very least decent GSCE grades and some form of post-secondary qualification, a HND for example.

If you do not have those then you are very unlikely to be able to go down the student route.

I would also suggest proof reading your posts on here: yours are riddled with spelling and grammar errors and will be highlighted by the vultures on this site who will pick holes in any messy post, especially when it is regarding further education!

Good luck, speak to the admissions department at any institution you're considering and ask them what their minimum academic requirements are.



Originally Posted by liam62244 (Post 6205011)
So because I had poor G.C.S.E Grades when I was 16 it means i cant go further in life???

With those poor grades ive managed to become a Legal Cashier for one of the U.K's largest Law firms.


liam62244 Apr 14th 2008 12:48 am

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Originally Posted by benjy25 (Post 6206315)

I would also suggest proof reading your posts on here: yours are riddled with spelling and grammar errors and will be highlighted by the vultures on this site who will pick holes in any messy post, especially when it is regarding further education!
.

I do appologise for not spending the time to proof read my posts before I send them. Im working and just typing fast so may incure the odd spelling error.

Jerseygirl Apr 14th 2008 12:50 am

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Originally Posted by benjy25 (Post 6206315)
Liam, that may be so but you will need a substantial academic background to be accepted to a decent course in Canada. Any University or higher education body worth attending (and thus likely to provide courses which will be of academic or vocational worth) will require at the very least decent GSCE grades and some form of post-secondary qualification, a HND for example.

If you do not have those then you are very unlikely to be able to go down the student route.

I would also suggest proof reading your posts on here: yours are riddled with spelling and grammar errors and will be highlighted by the vultures on this site who will pick holes in any messy post, especially when it is regarding further education!

Good luck, speak to the admissions department at any institution you're considering and ask them what their minimum academic requirements are.

Why don't you just apply and see how it goes? It's only a 1 yr Bus. certificate post and being as you've got some business experience maybe you'll be expected.

benjy25 Apr 14th 2008 1:02 am

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It doesn't bother me but people will notice it and comment, that's all I am saying!


Originally Posted by liam62244 (Post 6206366)
I do appologise for not spending the time to proof read my posts before I send them. Im working and just typing fast so may incure the odd spelling error.


Novocastrian Apr 18th 2008 1:06 am

Re: Studying in Canada - need help!
 

Originally Posted by liam62244 (Post 6205011)
So because I had poor G.C.S.E Grades when I was 16 it means i cant go further in life???

I didn't say that. You can go as far in life as opportunity and talent allow. But if you want to go to university, you'll have to first acquire the necessary secondary educational credentials. Why not do some A-levels (or whatever they're called these days) as an adult student first?

Frozenrose Apr 18th 2008 5:14 am

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FYI - you can work on a student visa now... provided you have a certain standard of grade maintained for 6 months or more... hahhaah

Jerseygirl Apr 18th 2008 5:20 am

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Originally Posted by Frozenrose (Post 6229144)
FYI - you can work on a student visa now... provided you have a certain standard of grade maintained for 6 months or more... hahhaah

I see you were a student...are you a PR now?

Frozenrose Apr 18th 2008 6:30 am

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Nope, I am working on my Grad visa, applying for a work permit and have my PR in processing [since the beginning of time it seems]... Ive been here since 2000/2001 and have a bit of an urge to go home for a bit!

Jerseygirl Apr 18th 2008 6:32 am

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Originally Posted by Frozenrose (Post 6229513)
Nope, I am working on my Grad visa, applying for a work permit and have my PR in processing [since the beginning of time it seems]... Ive been here since 2000/2001 and have a bit of an urge to go home for a bit!

My daughter is in a similar position...she's been in T.O. for almost 5 yrs. I didn't think you could apply for PR whilst on a study visa.

EssextoToronto Apr 18th 2008 11:10 am

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Hey

I'm just on the point of finishing a one year post grad in toronto at George Brown College. All i needed to get in was a degree but they were really annoying about actually wanting all my transcripts from back to a-levels. In Ontario at least i think within the last couple of days they have changed the rules to make it easier for international students to stay as well. So if you can get into a program then it is a lot easier than applying from the uk as a skilled worker or whatever.

Goodluck

Jerseygirl Apr 18th 2008 11:20 am

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Originally Posted by Jerseygirl (Post 6229521)
My daughter is in a similar position...she's been in T.O. for almost 5 yrs. I didn't think you could apply for PR whilst on a study visa.

OK I'm with you now...you've finished your course and now you're working on a Grad WP. You applied for PR last year. Which uni/college did you go to?

Frozenrose Apr 19th 2008 5:17 am

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dingbat Apr 19th 2008 6:32 am

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Originally Posted by liam62244 (Post 6205011)
So because I had poor G.C.S.E Grades when I was 16 it means i cant go further in life???

With those poor grades ive managed to become a Legal Cashier for one of the U.K's largest Law firms.


You have done brilliantly in the UK, because you can. Experience and aptitude count for much more there, than they do here. In Canada, any progression is based on bits of paper that give you (often pointless) credentials. You don't have Grade 12 or an equivalent for here, to be blunt. A one year business course from MB or SK is not worth the paper it is written on, without additional qualifications to supplement it.

Why don't you look at BUNAC instead? You must be young enough? Best of luck, but don't waste your hard earned money on yet another cash-cow useless course churned out by a second rate college.

benjy25 Apr 19th 2008 7:43 am

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What an enormous and crass generalisation. It all depends on the quality of the course you successfully study and the vocation you choose to follow.

To state that the UK is some sort of utopian, equitable holy grail where pure graft and determination will get you anywhere you want is complete tosh. We are still a highly class-driven society where your background and education prefix a large portion of daily life.

This chap simply doesn't have the educational background to follow the route he wants into Canada.



Originally Posted by dingbat (Post 6234310)
You have done brilliantly in the UK, because you can. Experience and aptitude count for much more there, than they do here. In Canada, any progression is based on bits of paper that give you (often pointless) credentials. You don't have Grade 12 or an equivalent for here, to be blunt. A one year business course from MB or SK is not worth the paper it is written on, without additional qualifications to supplement it.

Why don't you look at BUNAC instead? You must be young enough? Best of luck, but don't waste your hard earned money on yet another cash-cow useless course churned out by a second rate college.


dingbat Apr 19th 2008 7:54 am

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Originally Posted by benjy25 (Post 6234597)
What an enormous and crass generalisation. It all depends on the quality of the course you successfully study and the vocation you choose to follow.

To state that the UK is some sort of utopian, equitable holy grail where pure graft and determination will get you anywhere you want is complete tosh. We are still a highly class-driven society where your background and education prefix a large portion of daily life.

This chap simply doesn't have the educational background to follow the route he wants into Canada.

Do get back in your pram. Where did I state "the UK is some sort of utopian, equitable holy grail where pure graft and determination will get you anywhere"? I take it you are reading the same post I wrote, or are your reading skills affected by your evidently bombastic tendancies? :rolleyes:

Novocastrian Apr 19th 2008 10:20 am

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Originally Posted by dingbat (Post 6234310)
You have done brilliantly in the UK, because you can. Experience and aptitude count for much more there, than they do here. In Canada, any progression is based on bits of paper that give you (often pointless) credentials.


I think this is what benjy finds puzzling. I actually think the opposite is more true.

I suppose it depends on your line of work, and perhaps your opinion is coloured by the undeniable fact that experience in many jobs obtained prior to arriving in Canada is way undervalued.

benjy25 Apr 19th 2008 10:40 am

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Oh don't be such a condescending moron. If you are going to make sweeping statements that obviously infer utter drivel then keep your reductive opinions to yourself.





Originally Posted by dingbat (Post 6234652)
Do get back in your pram. Where did I state "the UK is some sort of utopian, equitable holy grail where pure graft and determination will get you anywhere"? I take it you are reading the same post I wrote, or are your reading skills affected by your evidently bombastic tendancies? :rolleyes:


dbd33 Apr 19th 2008 10:44 am

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Originally Posted by benjy25 (Post 6235238)
Oh don't be such a condescending moron. If you are going to make sweeping statements that obviously infer utter drivel then keep your reductive opinions to yourself.

impute, innit?

benjy25 Apr 19th 2008 10:45 am

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Good point! ;)


Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 6235258)
impute, innit?


dingbat Apr 19th 2008 11:00 am

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Originally Posted by benjy25 (Post 6235238)
Oh don't be such a condescending moron. If you are going to make sweeping statements that obviously infer utter drivel then keep your reductive opinions to yourself.

Temper, temper. :blink: Silly little man.

benjy25 Apr 19th 2008 11:08 am

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Hmmm, insightful and considered! Do you think that because you have lots of little stars next to your name and joined in 2002 that it gives you the platform to patronise and insult others?

What is it with this site, which should be about sensible opinion and guidance, that lends itself so well to ego and insult?


Originally Posted by dingbat (Post 6235349)
Temper, temper. :blink: Silly little man.


dingbat Apr 19th 2008 11:11 am

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Originally Posted by benjy25 (Post 6235380)
Hmmm, insightful and considered! Do you think that because you have lots of little stars next to your name and joined in 2002 that it gives you the platform to patronise and insult others?

What is it with this site, which should be about sensible opinion and guidance, that lends itself so well to ego and insult?

People like you turn up and are so easily cranked. Enjoy UNB, Fredericton is a beautiful campus ;)

benjy25 Apr 19th 2008 11:15 am

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Perhaps :)

Have you spent much time in Fredericton? We are hoping to go this September but problems with selling our flat are making it look tricky. May have to defer for 12 months or rent it out but yes, it is a beautiful campus and I can't wait, be it in 5 or 19 months!


Originally Posted by dingbat (Post 6235393)
People like you turn up and are so easily cranked. Enjoy UNB, Fredericton is a beautiful campus ;)


dingbat Apr 19th 2008 11:19 am

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Originally Posted by benjy25 (Post 6235409)
Perhaps :)

Have you spent much time in Fredericton? We are hoping to go this September but problems with selling our flat are making it look tricky. May have to defer for 12 months or rent it out but yes, it is a beautiful campus and I can't wait, be it in 5 or 19 months!


I am going there again in July. I have only been to NB a few times. UNB is very relaxed, small Masters cohorts, which I liked. They have an online M.Ed program, which is why I looked there in the first place, as I couldn't leave here.

benjy25 Apr 19th 2008 11:23 am

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Yes, the relaxed aspect of UNB, and Fredericton in general, is why we want to move there. Are you in the teaching profession at the moment?

I am hoping to move into some form of literary/editorial/journalistic position post-graduation and the course seems to be generally well thought of so I am hopeful it will be a good experience.



Originally Posted by dingbat (Post 6235427)
I am going there again in July. I have only been to NB a few times. UNB is very relaxed, small Masters cohorts, which I liked. They have an online M.Ed program, which is why I looked there in the first place, as I couldn't leave here.


dingbat Apr 19th 2008 11:29 am

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Originally Posted by benjy25 (Post 6235438)
Yes, the relaxed aspect of UNB, and Fredericton in general, is why we want to move there. Are you in the teaching profession at the moment?

I am hoping to move into some form of literary/editorial/journalistic position post-graduation and the course seems to be generally well thought of so I am hopeful it will be a good experience.

No, I am a social worker over here. I somehow managed to accumulate the pre-req's for this particular type of M.Ed over the years, and so decided to finally make use of them. UNB is very welcoming of students from other provinces, and upon the recommendation of a colleague in the school district here, I applied.

benjy25 Apr 19th 2008 11:34 am

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Ah, I see. Well, good luck with that and enjoy NB when you are next over, we loved it!

Long way to come from BC though. I presume it is not a regular trip?!



Originally Posted by dingbat (Post 6235449)
No, I am a social worker over here. I somehow managed to accumulate the pre-req's for this particular type of M.Ed over the years, and so decided to finally make use of them. UNB is very welcoming of students from other provinces, and upon the recommendation of a colleague in the school district here, I applied.


dingbat Apr 19th 2008 11:38 am

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Originally Posted by benjy25 (Post 6235457)
Ah, I see. Well, good luck with that and enjoy NB when you are next over, we loved it!

Long way to come from BC though. I presume it is not a regular trip?!

No, thankfully, it's not a regular trip. I had enough of Air Canada as it is these days, and they are pretty much it for airline options, here to there. Well, I must go and walk the hound, before he eats my children. :eek:


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