Re: Son has lost PR card
 

Well he has made lots of calls and has got all his info together to apply for a new card. It wont arrive before he goes so he is also getting to the bottom of how to get a travel document... I will let you know how he gets on as he is surely not the only one this has ever happened to!

Kids eh!!

Re: Son has lost PR card
 

With respect, you have been given links on how to obtain a travel document.

Here it is again.

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/informa...ons/travel.asp

:)

Re: Son has lost PR card
 

As you say. When the younger son was about 18 we were visiting family in Newcastle over Christmas and he insisted on carrying his own passport so that he could prove he was old enough to drink.

When we got to the airport in Newcastle to fly back to Toronto via LHR, he discovered that he had lost the passport as we were at the check-in desk.

OK, the OH and this one's older brother went off home and he and I hopped a train to London to get an emergency travel doc to get him home.

Three days later, out of pocket for train and hotel in London plus (I think it was) another 100 quid to change the tickets, we were set to return on New Years Day.

Unfortunately, he went to a News Years Eve party at one of his cousins' flat and as next morning we were leaving his Grandpa's house for the airport, he realized he'd left the travel doc in the flat.

I think that's the closest I've ever come to giving up on parenthood.

Re: Son has lost PR card
 

Yeah I was going to say, sounded pretty lax in both directions. To confirm non-immigrant intent, CBP sometimes ask to see your PR card, plus on the way back the carrier is supposed to check you have legal status in Canada before allowing you to board.

I've certainly had CBP ask me more than once and I've been asked by the carrier pretty much every time.

But on the other hand, at Pearson once I got sent to secondary and the CBSA inspector was fast asleep.

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This has been discussed many times and the conclusion is that regardless of the CIC script, it's quite legal for a permanent resident to fly to Canada using a visa waiver passport. There's always a theoretical risk of an airline refusing boarding (perhaps higher with a charter airline), Air Canada say they're fine with passport only, other airlines may be silent but we've never heard of anyone actually denied boarding.

http://britishexpats.com/forum/showthread.php?t=778567

Re: Son has lost PR card
 

Sort of related question re PR card: When returning to Canada from UK, how would the person on the check-in desk even know if you had a PR card in the first place? Presumably, in this instance, this is the return part of a there and back ticket. In that case the no return issue isn't relevant. When I used to return to the UK - ah, just got it! This is using the return part to return to Canada but on a UK passport isn't it? Therefore, it's effectively a one-way ticket. Does that make sense?

I'm so confused now I don't know who I am or what my name is (Baldrick - I think)

Re: Son has lost PR card
 

Although TBH Rivington, no carrier has ever asked to see my PR card ?!

Re: Son has lost PR card
 

How did kid exactly lose the PR card? Do you not keep them safe and away with your passports? (Or do you have to carry it as ID? If so then sorry :o)

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That is sooo funny:rofl: and not at the same time.... How old was he before you allowed him to start carrying it again? Have you yet?

Re: Son has lost PR card
 

Could you point us to the bit of law which forces a permanent resident to enter on a PR card, please?

Thanks ;)

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I've just realised I can't find my sons SIN card! Oops.. All the others are together.... Only thing I am wondering , did he get sent I've as he was only 12 when we got PR?!

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Let's just say, he now lives in Regina.

Re: Son has lost PR card
 

I ended up carrying mine as I get asked for the damn thing nearly every time I end up in a government office, so I just carry it.


I've never crossed using a commercial carrier without a PR card, but when I did cross by private vehicle in 2012 without a PR card but with a travel document (I wasn't sure how I was returning so got the travel doc as a precaution.) but the experience was enough to make sure I never ever cross without a PR card no matter how I am traveling be it private car or commercial carrier.

It took LA office about a month to process and send me the travel document, but I was not in a hurry and had the time to spare when I needed it.

I've never been asked to see the PR card by an airline, never even check in with a human, the kiosk just wants my passport info, and all checked in and ready to go.

CBP has never asked for it either, but I cross on a US Passport, so that makes a difference I am sure.

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From the Immigration And Refugee Protection Act & Regulations

31. (1) A permanent resident and a protected person shall be provided with a document indicating their status.
(2) For the purposes of this Act, unless an officer determines otherwise
(a) a person in possession of a status document referred to in subsection (1) is presumed to have the status indicated; and
(b) a person who is outside Canada and who does not present a status document indicating permanent resident status is presumed not to have permanent resident status.

Obligation of operators of vehicles and facilities
148. (1) A person who owns or operates a vehicle or a transportation facility, and an agent for such a person, must, in accordance with the regulations,
(a) not carry to Canada a person who is prescribed or does not hold a prescribed document, or who an officer directs not be carried;

The PR card became a prescribed document when R259(f) came into force on December 31, 2003, pursuant to R365(3). Permanent residents outside Canada who are not in possession of a PR card (or travel document) will otherwise be unable to satisfy a transportation company as to their obligation to allow boarding only to passengers with prescribed documents in accordance with A148.

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resourc.../enf27-eng.pdf

This topic has been discussed to death many times. In a nutshell very few if any UK citizens who are PRs of Canada have been refused boarding on major airlines who have not got a PR card if travelling back from Europe
HOWEVER charter airlines such as Sunwing, Air Transat and even Westjet have refused boarding to PRs without a PR card who have been travelling back from Cuba, Mexico etc on EU country passports. Its how the carrier interprets A148 and do they want to run the risk of being fined.
And yes I know an EU passport is a prescribed document under R259
Prescribed documents

259. For the purposes of subsection 148(1) of the Act, the following documents that a person requires under the Act to enter Canada are prescribed:

(a) a travel document referred to in subsection 31(3) of the Act;

(b) refugee travel papers issued by the Minister of Foreign Affairs;

(c) a document referred to in subsection 50(1) or 52(1);

(d) a temporary travel document referred to in section 151;

(e) a visa referred to in section 6 or subsection 7(1); and

(f) a permanent resident card.

At the end of the day its the carrier who decides who they will or will not carry and if you are the one being refused and you miss that flight then you can argue the point at the airport but you still have missed your flight.
If you get on the flight without the PR card then you are home and dry. As long as you can prove to CBSA that you are a PR and meet or can meet the residency obligation then thats as far as we take it.
One of our Supervisors is married to a PR from the UK and she was almost refused boarding in Cuba last year until he produced a ream of paperwork supplied by myself to the Sunwing agents who by the way are locals hired by them.
She was eventually allowed to board.

Re: Son has lost PR card
 

I have never been asked for a PR card by an airline.