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Old May 29th 2013 | 3:19 am
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To the OP - if you provide answers to the questions raised by some above, they will be able to provide you with more useful answers.
 
Old May 29th 2013 | 3:29 am
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Having a degree doesn't mean that you have had a decent education but for many jobs you need that degree, or a masters in which case you usually need a degree or equivalent to get a masters.

Many of the students I worked with in the UK could hardly spell and their use of grammar was dodgy. Their overall knowledge was lacking: history, geog, basic science, literature.Knowing something about these and other subjects would be what I would call a decent education,but it may not get you a job.
 
Old May 29th 2013 | 3:30 am
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Originally Posted by Atlantic Xpat
Hang on. I'll go call CIC and get you deported. Bloody uneducated immigrants coming here, stealing our jobs.
Try it Newfie, I'm a citizen don'tcha know.
 
Old May 29th 2013 | 3:36 am
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Are British degrees even recognised in Canada? It's not really job-specific, BSocSci in Politics, but i'm hoping it puts me in with the rest of the useless grads at least?
 
Old May 29th 2013 | 4:09 am
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Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
And yet, didn't you return to the UK because you were concerned about the standards of education in Calgary?
Our concerns at the schooling in Calgary were as much about the culture of schooling as the standard of education, but that's a whole nother thread completely... (and with the benefit of 2.5 years hindsight now, couldn't be happier with the decision)

I would far rather see my children do an apprenticeship willingly than follow the sheep off to the local polyversity to do some mediocre degree and end up 30 grand in debt with no skills to show for it.
 
Old May 29th 2013 | 4:23 am
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Originally Posted by whisker
Are British degrees even recognised in Canada? It's not really job-specific, BSocSci in Politics, but i'm hoping it puts me in with the rest of the useless grads at least?
It'll put you in the same group of UK citizens living in Canada with British degrees. Meaning you'll struggle to compete in the employment market even with Canadians who have barely and in some case haven't finished their secondary schooling.
 
Old May 29th 2013 | 4:30 am
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Originally Posted by Jingsamichty
I think "a decent education" is overrated.

Someone who is naturally bright will find out what they need to know, and then find out what they want to know. Huge difference to being spoonfed facts in order to pass exams.

Someone less bright has no real need of a scholarly education, but needs to be taught some skills so that they can make a living.

Too many think that a piece of paper counts as an education.
I disagree. Discarding the value of a degree in the employment market for one moment, I think the structure and culture of higher education creates a framework and provides context for learning that people may not find outside a formal educational institution. We truncated the learning opportunities of far too many intelligent people in the UK in the past.
 
Old May 29th 2013 | 4:32 am
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Originally Posted by Almost Canadian
To the OP - if you provide answers to the questions raised by some above, they will be able to provide you with more useful answers.
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Old May 29th 2013 | 4:36 am
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Originally Posted by Oink
I disagree. Discarding the value of a degree in the employment market for one moment, I think the structure and culture of higher education creates a framework and provides context for learning that people may not find outside a formal educational institution. We truncated the learning opportunities of far too many intelligent people in the UK in the past.
Agree on this.

Whilst having a degree, or advanced degree does not equate to actual working intelligence or competence, degrees from good institutions can provide a standard of education that is informative, develops the deductive, reasoning, research, presentation and application skills of students, exposes students to a wide array of thought/research etc.
 
Old May 29th 2013 | 4:40 am
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Originally Posted by Cepheus
You don't always need a degree to get your foot in the door.
What field of work are you in?

I read that you have 15 years of experience, understand that can supplement in many cases, and roles, but for most professions and grads, an undergraduate is a pre-requisite, at least for incoming job applications. Depends on industry, role, accreditations requirements of the role, the working knowledge you have accumulated, the competency of etc.

Anyway as Almost Canadian said the OP just needs to provide a bit more biography methinks
 
Old May 29th 2013 | 4:41 am
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Originally Posted by floatsy
Agree on this.

Whilst having a degree, or advanced degree does not equate to actual working intelligence or competence, degrees from good institutions can provide a standard of education that is informative, develops the deductive, reasoning, research, presentation and application skills of students, exposes students to a wide array of thought/research etc.
Seems like that would ready them to function at the enterprise level accommodating the needs of all concerned stakeholders.

Not much cop if you value concision though.
 
Old May 29th 2013 | 4:44 am
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Without resorting to your low digs, what are you tring to say? That my points are invalid, the post is unintelligible? Or that putting people down gives your ego the boost it clearly needs?

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Old May 29th 2013 | 4:53 am
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Originally Posted by floatsy
Without resorting to your low digs, what are you tring to say? That my points are invalid, the post is unintelligible? Or that putting people down gives your ego the boost it clearly needs?
I giggled at the conflict between the rambling nature of your prose and the virtues it extolled so I responded with some similarly flaccid writing cut from another window. That's all.

My ego is comfortably trampled, thank you for your concern.
 
Old May 29th 2013 | 4:58 am
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OK it rambled. Thanks for pointing it out, but I would have preferred you to just say so directly.

Thanks,
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Old May 29th 2013 | 5:05 am
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Originally Posted by Jingsamichty
Our concerns at the schooling in Calgary were as much about the culture of schooling as the standard of education, but that's a whole nother thread completely... (and with the benefit of 2.5 years hindsight now, couldn't be happier with the decision)

I would far rather see my children do an apprenticeship willingly than follow the sheep off to the local polyversity to do some mediocre degree and end up 30 grand in debt with no skills to show for it.
When we rationed HE, a major purpose of attending was the exclusivity and thus marketability a degree would bestow on the fortunate attendees. I think universities now, shouldn't give out certificates/degrees or proof of attendance. It would be liberating. You attend HE if you want that structure, stay as long as you want and feel is necessary but your attendance itself should not be able to be used in a competitive and advantageous way. Hopefully that would weed out the dross and uninterested.

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