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Some advice after 2 years in Canada

Old Oct 28th 2008, 8:17 pm
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This is a wonderful post, it's nice to see an honest account, I am so glad to see everything is working out so well. I hope to be in BC dec 2009 (ish), my other half is canadian, so my visa hopefully should be relatively straight forward. I too are of the give it a good year mind set, and while i appreciate some people have a truly dreadful time of it, i will be going witht the full knowledge that i will probably find it difficult the 1st yr or so, and i think this is where the job comes in. Even if you are working part time in the local store you will be making new friends hopefully and surely gaining the ever important "Canadian Experience". At least that is my plan anyway. I also hate the thought of all the money i will have spent on my visa, moving costs and shipping going down the drain to come home after 3 months. This is said with no disrespect to those who have returned i am sure it cant have been an easy decision to make, so i hope no one is offened, it is certainly not intended.
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Originally Posted by HairySnotter View Post
Hi .... In my opinion there is always work out there, its just if you are able and willing to do it (beggars cant be choosers) I was not narrow-minded enough to think that me or my wife would walk into high paying jobs.

And I feel this is were a lot of new comers especially British new comers fall down they expect to go back into there field at the salary level they left and in reality that very rarely happens .So after six months of very few job offers and a dwindling bank balance the call it a day and go back home.

.... We decided that the first few years would be the toughest and if I had to work two jobs so be it, as we wanted to live in Canada.
I took on a junior role in my chosen career at less than half the salary I was earning in the UK. After nearly three years I am back at the tree top level and heading up the Project Management Community in my organization. Salary equivalent to UK level and more disposable income. Hairy is right (I keep wanting to add "Mclary from Donaldson dairy").

Grab a job, if you have only a temp low level job paying tuppence an hour, then volunteer to do a job for a charity that demonstrates your original skill levels. Create an opportunity by offering to be a manager for fund raising at your local hospital etc... At least your experience with the charity will show your abilities.
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Old Oct 28th 2008, 9:23 pm
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Originally Posted by Dave+Jules View Post
Grab a job, if you have only a temp low level job paying tuppence an hour, then volunteer to do a job for a charity that demonstrates your original skill levels. Create an opportunity by offering to be a manager for fund raising at your local hospital etc... At least your experience with the charity will show your abilities.
And that is one of the wisest BE nuggets I've seen for a while.

Hopefully it may deter the selfish me,me,me brigade who only seek to take, not to give, from their international relocation.

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Default Re: Some advice after 2 years in Canada

Originally Posted by Dave+Jules View Post
Grab a job, if you have only a temp low level job paying tuppence an hour, then volunteer to do a job for a charity that demonstrates your original skill levels.
Yes what an excellent way to market yourself and to do something for the deserving and needy
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A balanced post and a great read.

It is clear that it takes a great deal of grit, determination and willingness to change if you want to make it work in Canada - It makes us realise (not that we didn't already) that we are going to have to give up many of the things that we are so used to but more importantly, we will be completely out of our comfort zone for some time.

It's not many posts that state that settlement will occur quickly, 2 - 4 years seems the norm....

Well, the post hasn't put me off.......... yet, but there's always time (not )
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Originally Posted by Rich_007 View Post
And that is one of the wisest BE nuggets I've seen for a while.

Hopefully it may deter the selfish me,me,me brigade who only seek to take, not to give, from their international relocation.

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Thanks Rich, I would have given you some Karma but it told me to spread it around some before giving it to you again
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Originally Posted by HairySnotter View Post
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Having lived miles away from you, and been here for 6 years. I totally agree with everything you say. Brilliant post and it seems you have taken on the Canadian way of things.
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Hi all I have been one of those guys that has sat reading this forum from the day me and my family decided Canada was the place we wanted to call home ,that was over four years ago. I never posted or joined as I got most of my answers from previous posts and a few holidays we took to Canada. This forum is an absolute gold mine of information and peoples own experiences bad and good.



We (myself wife and two kids) have now lived just outside of Oshawa for a year now (we rented near Ajax for the first year) and Canada has become every thing and more that we all wanted it to be. I now feel that I can pass on some information to all you guys wanting to move from the UK to start a new life. Because it is a new life you are leaving that street you walk down every day, the neighbors you speak to every day, the family that is always there, the city village or town you lived most of your life all the familiar things that you take for granted every day . So do you still want to move to a new Country? If the answer is yes read on and I hope you do.


We are earning less than we earned in the UK but our quality of life is far superior to that in Glasgow. We could not afford to buy the house we wanted in a good area of Glasgow, we now have a detached house in a very quite subdivision. Our two kids are doing extremely well at school our oldest even has a well paid part time job. We did not bring a substantial amount of money with us (enough to rent for a couple of years if it was necessary) as we where the average lower middle class UK family. We both got full time jobs within the first week of posting our CVs, so that meant our savings could now go to a down payment for a house. So we decided to keep renting for the first year then buy a house the second year.


We used Abrams & Krochak yes I know you can do it yourself but we felt it would be better to let them have any headaches than us and the price was incredible (I had approached an English based specialist and she wanted three times the money and she gave us bad advice).You must come out on Holiday a few times as the place is so vast and you can get a feel for it. You have no credit history when you land in Canada no matter what any one tells you, I guess there will be some on this site that will beg to differ. That also goes for car insurance some insurance companies will ask for a letter from your old insurance company in the UK bring it anyway but it will make virtually no difference to your premium (you are effectively a new driver in the eyes of the insurance companies) .So get yourself store cards and even a preloaded credit card as soon as you open your bank account as this starts to work in your favor providing you pay it of monthly.

There is plenty of work out here as long as you are willing and able to take any thing on at first. Our telephone, internet and TV bill is the same amount we paid to telewest, electricity and gas are slightly cheaper and we have a much bigger house than in the UK. Our weekly grocery bill is cheaper as is our petrol bill. We pay for water in Canada and that works out around sixty five quid a quarter (and we have a swimming pool and three bathrooms) our property tax is the same as we paid in the UK for a two bedroom semi in Glasgow. So when every thing adds up we are not much better of financially but we never moved here to be better of financially we moved mainly for the kids, better weather, more opportunities, cleaner environment, spectacular county side, incredible wild life and a country that seems to know how to treat its tax paying workforce right (you get every opportunity to claim your tax back at the end of each year).Me and the wife still get what we call that Canada moment when you’re sitting in the car, store, work or watching the kids play street hockey and you suddenly think god I am in Canada its a great feeling. It was worth all the hassle and sleepless nights to get here and that’s after being here two years.


So quick recap decide you want to do it, do your home work and read this forum
It mite be for you it mite not, but you are the only one that can make that decision.
There is a huge expat community stretching from Ajax, whitby, Oshawa, Bowmanville and I better not forget Port Hope and the ones that are reading this (you guys know who you are) will help you out especially if you move to this area they all have there own stories to tell and have valuable advice for the new family on the block
We all get together now and again for a drink or a BBQ and new faces are always welcome. One thing I will say if you are coming to Canada and expect to get a huge house and a great job with a wallet busting salary and retire at 50 Canada is probably not the place for you .In our experience the ones that don’t make it are the ones who come over without doing adequate homework, or will not just take any job it has to be that very special $180,000 a year job that gives them 6 weeks paid vacation and the company Ferrari. There are loads of them just ask the next flying pig you see to point you in the direction of the $150,000+ job centre. (Canadian employers love this phrase you will here it a lot Canadian experience) So take that job it will get you the Canadian experience and you can move on from there. Canada does have its bad points but the good ones far out way them.


This is our experience and I don’t wish to get into any he said you said garbage that inevitably follows some ones opinion in forums. So be four you decide well I gave my letter to the insurance company and it made a huge impact to my premium, my grocery bill has tripled, my kids hate school, the weather was garbage this summer (ok I will give you that), Canadians cant drive, I never get my tax money back, they don’t recognize my qualifications, I cant get bisto, the washing powder is crap, I am getting withdrawals from eastenders. Like I said this is our experience not yours and yes like I also said we all have different stories to tell. Hope this helps some one, and if you want to know anything and I can help just ask. And for the argumentative ones out there think be four you start to rip people to shreds or shoot there post down in flames ok
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Old Oct 29th 2008, 1:18 pm
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Originally Posted by HairySnotter View Post

I am sorry to be so blunt and yes every one has a different story to tell but there are good paying jobs out there but you need to go look and be willing to look outside your field. We decided that the first few years would be the toughest and if I had to work two jobs so be it, as we wanted to live in Canada.
One thing Ive learned from my time on this site is to be humble and to count my blessings. Sometimes you need some dumb luck too and you dont necessarily know when you got it.

There are plenty of people who do all the right things, and never catch a break. I have a good life here, and I dont forget to count my blessings because so much comes down to chance. Some people are still waiting for that break. There are no guarantees in this life.

Lets not pretend that Oshawa hasnt just seen the loss of a ton of jobs directly and indirectly through the closure of one car plant and the loss of shifts from the other. That has a massive impact all through the community and larger area. I certainly wouldnt be painting too rosy a picture of the local economy there in the short term.

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One thing Ive learned from my time on this site is to be humble and to count my blessings. Sometimes you need some dumb luck too and you dont necessarily know when you got it.

There are plenty of people who do all the right things, and never catch a break. I have a good life here, and I dont forget to count my blessings because so much comes down to chance. Some people are still waiting for that break. There are no guarantees in this life.

Lets not pretend that Oshawa hasnt just seen the loss of a ton of jobs directly and indirectly through the closure of one car plant and the loss of shifts from the other. That has a massive impact all through the community and larger area. I certainly wouldnt be painting too rosy a picture of the local economy there in the short term.
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Are you in the automotive industry?
I read in the Telegraph recently the in Canada and the US the automotive industry are closing truck plants and reducing car production staff.

Is you work OK? The UK automotive industry has been hit with global downturn. I am glad I working in the electricity generation business looking at some industries such as car production.

There still demand for good engineers in the UK if you get into problems.

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And that is one of the wisest BE nuggets I've seen for a while.

Hopefully it may deter the selfish me,me,me brigade who only seek to take, not to give, from their international relocation.

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Nope, sorry I am still coming over there Rich.
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Are you in the automotive industry?
I read in the Telegraph recently the in Canada and the US the automotive industry are closing truck plants and reducing car production staff.

Is you work OK? The UK automotive industry has been hit with global downturn. I am glad I working in the electricity generation business looking at some industries such as car production.

There still demand for good engineers in the UK if you get into problems.

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I used to be (Quality Engineer, Tier one supplier) Not any more. moved back to the comfort of Mil/Aero. Seems no end to folks firing missiles at each other, hopefully

Oshawa has consistently been one of GMs better plants...there is politics involved in closing it to keep the US unions on side. I dont doubt GM will find some way to transfer some other model there at some point, but in the short term it will be trouble. Obviously I still know a few people working in that area.
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Interesting location (Possilpark) Harry, spent many an evening chasing stolen cars around that local, paricularly the Summerlee, Hamiltonhill and such like...some times I wake up sweating at the memories. In those days I actually enjoyed it...I think... ...now I enjoy the quiet life...and no sirens...lol

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Yes Iaink is right we are seeing the last dying breaths of the North American car manufacturer. That now in turn is affecting local economies like Ajax, Oshawa, Whitby and to a lesser extent the surrounding areas. So if you are thinking about coming to live in the Durham region and working as a car door hanger ,seat fitter, tire inflator, wheel tightener or, nut and bolt fitter its probably not the place for you. Stop your Canadian visa process and contact the Korean or Indian immigration service as the seem to have a thriving vehicle manufacturing industry.

But seriously the semi skilled laborer in the GM plant could top out at around $27/33 bucks an hour. I know engineers that don’t make that kind of money. This is part of the problem the North American car manufactures are having, there labor rates are sky high and they took so long to catch on to the smaller more economical engines. (But this is a whole new thread on a different forum)

So on the brighter side or rosier side if you wish, house prices will be cheaper and there will be more to choose from in the Durham area, because all that semi skilled labor will be moving out west.

Most of the people reading this forum are on the skilled worker program,(they will not be pinning there hopes for the future on a flakey car plant) yes I know there are a lot of skilled trades in the car manufacturing game but most of these guys will be working within a few weeks. The GTA is vast with numerous companies all needing skilled workers and if you are willing to commute you will not have a problem finding work.

It’s all about positive thinking and being upbeat, do what feels right for you and once again do the homework. Look at skill shortages, house price, be willing to take a job to get the Canadian experience, and above all don’t let anyone stand in the way of your hopes and dreams of a better future for you and your loved ones
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[QUOTE=iaink;6923236]I used to be (Quality Engineer, Tier one supplier) Not any more. moved back to the comfort of Mil/Aero. Seems no end to folks firing missiles at each other, hopefully
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Yep there is a great feeling when you fire £30K at a building/APC etc and then blame you guys for it missing the target, I think the first one I missed cost twice as much as my car
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