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MarkG Mar 1st 2008 5:14 am

Re: IT Skilled workers
 

Originally Posted by G77 (Post 6003574)
Don't have to be a citizen I believe, but have to have been resident in Canada for a period of time (12 months springs to mind)....

I don't believe that's true, as I'm in the middle of getting a security clearance here and no-one's yet said that they can't do it because I've only been here six months. Someone else said they got 'secret'-level security clearance while on a work permit.

I believe 'top secret' is pretty difficult to get if you're not a citizen, and in Ottawa you could be in trouble as you won't be able to use 'canadian eyes only' documents.

Danny B Mar 1st 2008 5:24 am

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Originally Posted by Spirael (Post 6003220)

How does the security clearance system work over there, can anyone advise? Do you need to be a Canadian citizen in order to be security cleared? I'm no stranger to working with sensitive data and have been cleared here in the UK.

I was successfully security cleared by GPEB & the RCMP and I had only been in Canada for 1 month.

MarkG Mar 1st 2008 5:41 am

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I think a bigger issue is that a lot of places simply won't take on non-citizens for jobs that need security clearance since it's a hassle for them to organise and can take a long time to process. In my case I'm not doing anything 'secret' at the moment so it doesn't really matter if I'm not cleared until the end of the year, but you don't want to be unable to do any useful work for months until the clearance comes through.

AlexInBC Mar 1st 2008 5:04 pm

Re: IT Skilled workers
 

Originally Posted by MarkG (Post 6004010)
I don't believe that's true, as I'm in the middle of getting a security clearance here and no-one's yet said that they can't do it because I've only been here six months. Someone else said they got 'secret'-level security clearance while on a work permit.

I believe 'top secret' is pretty difficult to get if you're not a citizen, and in Ottawa you could be in trouble as you won't be able to use 'canadian eyes only' documents.

Are they pretty lax here then? My dh (who lived in UK since 3 years old, but was born in Vancouver) was offered an electronics job by a well know UK defence company several years ago, passing a series of very vigourous interviews and tests, but after being told that he had the job, the offer was then withdrawn (thankfully before he'd handed his notice in!) because of problems with "the official secrets act"/security clearance.

He couldn't understand this, having never had so much as a speeding ticket, and he found out after much probing that it was purely because he had dual nationality! I guess they were worried where his loyalty would lie if the UK ever declared war on Canada :blink: PMSL!!!

Ben W Bell Mar 2nd 2008 2:20 am

Re: IT Skilled workers
 

Originally Posted by Spirael (Post 6003220)
By what it translates to I meant what the title change was likely to be, so I could search better on the online sites and get my resume making more sense. :)

I've seen that job around simply listed as a Database Analyst, or sometimes as a Business Intelligence Analyst. I haven't looked at that position myself, but recall seeing it in various locations.

Dreamer Mar 3rd 2008 6:33 am

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Ive been searching for I.T jobs in the Kamloops area for my husband for ages and I can't find a single one :(

Spirael Mar 3rd 2008 7:17 am

Re: IT Skilled workers
 

Originally Posted by Ben W Bell (Post 6006949)
I've seen that job around simply listed as a Database Analyst, or sometimes as a Business Intelligence Analyst. I haven't looked at that position myself, but recall seeing it in various locations.

Thanks, that helps for getting my resume understandable over there! :thumbsup:

xxalxx Mar 6th 2008 12:13 am

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Aireir,

Sorry I have taken so long to get back to you, been busy with work and life in general, but back onto the Canada trail again now :)

I have came up with a resume, which I have pm'd if you could give it a quick look and tell us what you think.

cheers

Al

nickbe Mar 6th 2008 10:28 am

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Originally Posted by Airseir (Post 5929358)
I think that that is the popular mis-conception. There is high competition for jobs in the big cities and high chance of not getting an IT job where as in the small cities skilled workers can take there pick and have different companies fight for them.

From my and other people's experiences, trying to get an IT job in the big cities (Calgary, Vancouver Ottawa, for example) seems to suck beyond belief. Montreal's a better job market but you might need French. Toronto has opportunities but who the hell wants to live there? In Canada, the number of decent candidates per job seems so much more than the UK.
I've always had success getting IT jobs, in the UK and USA before I went to Canada, then in the UK when I came back, despite that being after a 2-year gap without working in IT. But in Canada, you often can't even get an acknowledgement from potential employers.

The small cities do seem to offer more opportunities that is true. However, if there are few local employers, you're dependent on their fortunes and might be forced to move if they went away. Also although the small cities are cheap to live in , the IT jobs often don't pay that much. I worked in a hotel and took home about 75% of what the IT support guys took home, for way less stress.

Oh and one other thing, my current UK public sector job has 6 weeks holiday and people have been known to take 4 weeks in 1 block.

So do you really want an IT job in Canada? ;)

allie2 Mar 6th 2008 3:11 pm

Re: IT Skilled workers
 

Originally Posted by Spirael (Post 6002804)
Hi!

Sorry to randomly jump into the thread, but I was wondering if anyone could advise of what my job would translate to in Canadian terms. ;)

Here in the UK I'm a Data Analyst (3 years experience). Basically I work almost exclusively on MS SQL Server, coding in SQL to make data amendments, load in new data sets, generate reports as requested, etc. I occasionally use Excel.

I also have some experience as an IT Technician (building PCs/Servers, supporting software and such for around 50 users) and for Web Design (primarily using ASP to link to SQL / MS Access).

Thanks in advance!


IT job titles in Canada are the same as in the UK.

Airseir Mar 13th 2008 12:20 pm

Re: IT Skilled workers
 

Originally Posted by Spirael (Post 6002804)
Hi!

Sorry to randomly jump into the thread, but I was wondering if anyone could advise of what my job would translate to in Canadian terms. ;)

Here in the UK I'm a Data Analyst (3 years experience). Basically I work almost exclusively on MS SQL Server, coding in SQL to make data amendments, load in new data sets, generate reports as requested, etc. I occasionally use Excel.

I also have some experience as an IT Technician (building PCs/Servers, supporting software and such for around 50 users) and for Web Design (primarily using ASP to link to SQL / MS Access).

Thanks in advance!

Have you tried checking against the NOC?

http://www23.hrdc-drhc.gc.ca/2001/e/.../welcome.shtml

halftheworldaway Mar 16th 2008 6:05 am

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What is the market rate for a Software Developer with about 5+ years experience in Okanagan area.

Also what would be the market rate in the Vancouver area for the same role.


Thanks

xxalxx Mar 16th 2008 6:25 am

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There is a salary checker at Monster.ca click here

Bigstar14 Mar 16th 2008 10:02 am

Re: IT Skilled workers
 
I know this discussion has been going for a while and generally has a technical bent, but does anyone know what the market is like in BC for functional consultants.

I'm an SAP consultant predominently in Retail and will be, likely as not, relocating to Vancouver.

Any advice will be more than welcome.

Airseir Mar 17th 2008 9:20 am

Re: IT Skilled workers
 

Originally Posted by xxalxx (Post 6070656)
There is a salary checker at Monster.ca click here

As with any country you need to check the nearest City with a salary calculator and then apply a percentage differeence. EG a London Salary in the Uk would be different to a Nottingham Salary and different again to a Glasgow salary.

We have recently conducted a survey to see how competative our salaries are. I would say that the sallary up here is 75% of a Vancouver Salary.

ville303 Mar 17th 2008 2:27 pm

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Other issues should be taken into consideration as to whether the company is 'start up' growing, booming, large company etc...so you have to 'factor in these implications/considerations as well as to where you decide to base yourself.

There will be pluses and minuses at to what type of health package you get...so there will be other things coming into play...;) some will gain...some will not as well as NOC statistics...although that is a good 'ball park'

ville303 Mar 17th 2008 2:44 pm

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Hi Caitlin
The company I work for in Kamloops is looking for a person to liase between our sales reps (great bunch!) and Customer Services. We design websites for the automative industry so if you are confident...have work flow/admin skills might this be of interest?...Please pm me if you may be interested. Your skill set sounds like it would be good match. This is a great friendly business...and one thing you might find in Canada is that you're expected to work weekends...Not in this company...they offer above average leave entiltlement and a great health package...As time goes on and you do your research i think you would find this company great.
In Canada a lot of Brits complain that they don't get much leave...but we get 15 days statutory...so from April that's about one day a month up until Christmas...then we have 5 sick days and 3 weeks leave going up to 4 weeks after 3 yrs...I would say to a lot of brits and benefits...work it out..i respect other peoples input but this to my mind more than acceptable...:D

R I C H Mar 17th 2008 5:32 pm

Re: IT Skilled workers
 
I've been offered an IT job today at the University in Kamloops - key benefits are:

Mid 60's salary, with guaranteed 3% rise year on year for 5yrs, thereafter inflationary.
6 weeks holiday(!)
Health/medical cover
Flexi-time

I'm here on a WP, currently running my own business, and the employer is happy to go through the PNP process to secure my employment. I truly believe that if you've got appropriate skills and present yourself well, you have as much chance as any candidate applying for a job here, but you need to meet people face to face. In my experience, European experience can count for a lot, but you must position it and ensure that it's relevant to your new audience. I also think that securing a decent job in a smaller city is easier, where competition maybe less intense than somewhere like Vancouver.

xxalxx Mar 17th 2008 8:30 pm

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congrats R I C H. !

Coffeepot Mar 17th 2008 8:35 pm

Re: IT Skilled workers
 

Originally Posted by xxalxx (Post 6077891)
congrats R I C H. !

Well done Rich, is that £ss not $ss

G77 Mar 17th 2008 9:31 pm

Re: IT Skilled workers
 

Originally Posted by Coffeepot (Post 6077910)
Well done Rich, is that £ss not $ss

If it's £'s, it could be quite some time before he comes back from the celebrating! Will be almost certainly $'s!

R I C H Mar 18th 2008 3:00 am

Re: IT Skilled workers
 

Originally Posted by G77 (Post 6078080)
If it's £'s, it could be quite some time before he comes back from the celebrating! Will be almost certainly $'s!

Yep it's $'s

Airseir Mar 18th 2008 4:08 am

Re: IT Skilled workers
 

Originally Posted by R I C H (Post 6077478)
I've been offered an IT job today at the University in Kamloops - key benefits are:

Mid 60's salary, with guaranteed 3% rise year on year for 5yrs, thereafter inflationary.
6 weeks holiday(!)
Health/medical cover
Flexi-time

I'm here on a WP, currently running my own business, and the employer is happy to go through the PNP process to secure my employment. I truly believe that if you've got appropriate skills and present yourself well, you have as much chance as any candidate applying for a job here, but you need to meet people face to face. In my experience, European experience can count for a lot, but you must position it and ensure that it's relevant to your new audience. I also think that securing a decent job in a smaller city is easier, where competition maybe less intense than somewhere like Vancouver.

Congratulation Rich.

ville303 Mar 18th 2008 5:47 am

Re: IT Skilled workers
 

Originally Posted by R I C H (Post 6077478)
I've been offered an IT job today at the University in Kamloops - key benefits are:

Mid 60's salary, with guaranteed 3% rise year on year for 5yrs, thereafter inflationary.
6 weeks holiday(!)
Health/medical cover
Flexi-time

I'm here on a WP, currently running my own business, and the employer is happy to go through the PNP process to secure my employment. I truly believe that if you've got appropriate skills and present yourself well, you have as much chance as any candidate applying for a job here, but you need to meet people face to face. In my experience, European experience can count for a lot, but you must position it and ensure that it's relevant to your new audience. I also think that securing a decent job in a smaller city is easier, where competition maybe less intense than somewhere like Vancouver.

Congratulations R I C H:thumbsup:

port7 Mar 18th 2008 8:37 am

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OK another thread jumper here.

I am just wondering what the call is in Canada for Technical / Solution Architects.

I am currently chief architect for a major UK retailer, doing technical design approval, owning the technical roadmap for the company, and also running a number of initiatives in the company such as PCI: DSS compliance, EPOS upgrade, and Business Intelligence tool implementation. I also get involved in exiting things like budgets and contract review too :-)

Also have a background in similar roles for other companies in the tool hire (construction) industry, banking industry and also co-operative movement.

I come from a support & sysadmin background so can do Unix and Windows support. I am also reasonably involved in the local Open Source community so have a few interests in that area too.

My brother is in Edmonton, AB (over in May for a holiday) so would be nice to be there but I am interested in the IT job market generally.

Danny B Mar 18th 2008 10:53 am

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Originally Posted by port7 (Post 6080913)
I am currently chief architect for a major UK retailer, .

M&S by any chance?

port7 Mar 18th 2008 9:10 pm

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Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 6081493)
M&S by any chance?

Nah, a bit more downmarket than that

G77 Mar 18th 2008 9:44 pm

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Originally Posted by port7 (Post 6083180)
Nah, a bit more downmarket than that

Netto? :lol:

Bigstar14 Mar 18th 2008 9:47 pm

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Originally Posted by port7 (Post 6083180)
Nah, a bit more downmarket than that

It's not Harrods then...?

Coffeepot Mar 18th 2008 9:50 pm

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Originally Posted by Bigstar14 (Post 6083327)
It's not Harrods then...?

British home stores ;)
Tesco,
woolworths,:confused:

port7 Mar 18th 2008 10:55 pm

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Originally Posted by Coffeepot (Post 6083346)
British home stores ;)
Tesco,
woolworths,:confused:

Begins with M and is based in the North West

Coffeepot Mar 18th 2008 11:05 pm

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Originally Posted by port7 (Post 6083726)
Begins with M and is based in the North West

ah Morrisons ;) thats okay we won't hold that against you :rofl:
and they do make good bread :wub:

Danny B Mar 19th 2008 5:34 am

Re: IT Skilled workers
 

Originally Posted by port7 (Post 6083180)
Nah, a bit more downmarket than that

Only reason I asked is because I used to work in IT for M&S and we had job titles with Chief in the name :lol:

I tried it here in Kamloops and they thought I was part Native..

port7 Mar 20th 2008 4:41 am

Re: IT Skilled workers
 

Originally Posted by Danny B (Post 6085316)
Only reason I asked is because I used to work in IT for M&S and we had job titles with Chief in the name :lol:

I tried it here in Kamloops and they thought I was part Native..

Well like most places my job title changes depending on who you are speaking to, from senior architect to technical architecture manager to just tech arch or even systems consultant.

Back to the original question, whats the call for tech arch's in Canada?

Coffeepot Mar 20th 2008 5:24 am

Re: IT Skilled workers
 

Originally Posted by port7 (Post 6089656)
Well like most places my job title changes depending on who you are speaking to, from senior architect to technical architecture manager to just tech arch or even systems consultant.

Back to the original question, whats the call for tech arch's in Canada?

what a shame that was fun ;)

port7 Mar 20th 2008 8:52 am

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Originally Posted by Coffeepot (Post 6089835)
what a shame that was fun ;)

Well no-one has correctly guessed my current assignment

Coffeepot Mar 20th 2008 7:36 pm

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Originally Posted by port7 (Post 6090689)
Well no-one has correctly guessed my current assignment

Give us a clue ;)

seanyg Mar 21st 2008 9:40 am

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Originally Posted by xxalxx (Post 6070656)
There is a salary checker at Monster.ca click here

thanks for that - just had a go and wages for 'sytems administrator' in new brunswick and manitoba are higher than what oh is earning in the uk! rock on!

anita :-)

seanyg Mar 21st 2008 9:42 am

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Originally Posted by port7 (Post 6090689)
Well no-one has correctly guessed my current assignment

mark one?
matalan?

Dave+Jules Mar 21st 2008 10:08 am

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Originally Posted by welshmountie (Post 5930785)
I've been to Kamloops and would probably be tempted but it is too far from the UK for my wife. It's going to be one of the small cities in the east coast of Canada for us I'm afraid. I just hope that IT companies there are having the same difficulties as you. If so my long experience and skills should be well suited.

:lightbulb:Perhaps your company should advertise on www.jobserve.com. Although this is the UK link, from there, if a UK based IT guy wants to seek a job elsewhere in the world such as Canada, he need just check the North American tick box and it links its search to the NA affiliated site. Workopolis, Monster and in particular Monster.ca are not that well known here yet.

A few more things that are probably major factors apart from these job visibility issues are indeed, "the money", seemingly longer hours and very minimal paid annual leave. For prospective UK immigrants I would think the latter is a big turn off, especially bearing in mind many are leaving close family for their new lives. They will feel the need to use their leave to go back to visit aging parents, yet would still like some decent time left over to discover Canada as well. Two or three weeks total just does not allow both needs to happen. :( Perhaps this is the key incentive rather than the money if you are to lure more UK IT staff with the skills and experience that are in demand. Well it would be for me anyway.

So are there any leading edge IT companies in Fredericton, New Brunswick that can entice me? :thumbsup:

HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY "YES"?


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