Originally Posted by Sephiroth

... I wonder what it's like in Vancouver where there aren't very many industries ...

Originally Posted by xxdb

Wow, it must have got a lot worse than when I was there Auld Yin because I reckon I saw maybe two bar fights in the whole time I was there (between 1994 and 2001 and was out drinking every weekend).

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Yeah to be honest that' quite a big positive. It's very chill in the bars and clubs.

That works two ways cos on the one hand you have a really chill atmosphere but then on the other hand women don't dress as scantily as back home. There needs to be a few more slutwalks I think.
For feminism, obviously

Originally Posted by OakvilleSarah

I think feminsim passed you by.........I shudder at the thought of my sons refering to women the way you do.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Feminim pass me by? I attend many a feminist rally in support of them.
I go in place of my sister, who I prefer would stay home.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Been here about a month now so I thought I'd do a quick snap review on my judgements so far.

Tons of brown people
Toronto is a very multi cultural city. If the prospect of lots of minorities bother you then you may want to rethink it. I live in China town and quite like it. I'm from London so same shit different bucket really but I imagine if you're from some outback place up north it may be a bit of a culture shock.

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There's tons of stuff to do. It's a pretty cool city. At the weekend something i cool i alway going on. I got to see ****ed Up in Dundas square for free the other week which was pretty sweet. There's tons of people to party with in TO too. That's where the good points stop. After that it mostly looks the same, the people are shite. I met a girl I'm seeing from Barrie (which is also a bit of a shithole) and she' one crazy broad. I'll see how it goes. Shes amazingly good looking (hence the putting up with crazy). I'm pretty much just here to shag everything though.

Torontonians are arseholes
That's a fair generaliation yet so far I've met more canadians I liked travelling in Asia than I have in Toronto. You have to remember there isn't an arsehole drain. For instance you could live in one of the nice pockets around London with all the arseholes/attitudes going off to London central. In New Zealand you have a nice asshole drain with Washington so Auckland is pretty cool. I'm sure my view will change when I start work next week but so far it seems everyones got an attitude. It seems like a very New York attitude here though...despite not being New York.

Toronto is a bit scummy/dirty
It's quite a dirty city. This city has by far, more crazies than any place I've been. So far I've walked up University Avenue (between queen and dundas) and some black guy was jerking off right there on a bench not 30 feet from the entrance to an office skyscraper. I watched another guy fly kick a cyclist off his bike and when the cyclist got up bemused the fella yelled out "this isn't montreal bitch". Another time I saw a dude walking down Spadina then spazz out and start punching the **** out of a tree. Don't get me wrong theres crazies everywhere and I have a fair few stories of crazies in London but I've been here 20 days and seen that already.

Canada really is same shit different bucket
(To me this is a non issue as I expected it but can imagine what some people back home dream it to be)
Everyones got the same issues here. Everyone my age (early 20s) are all dealing with exactly the same shit back home so if you move here hoping your teenager won't self harm/get into drug/be a whore or shag loads of girls then you'll be sorely mistaken as all that shit goes on here except pot is WAY more acceptable over here. It's more common to be a total life style thing and people back home that wouldn't smoke pot do at parties over here. To the point you can be at a gig smoking a joint and no one bats an eyelid whereas if you're drinking (but aren't allowed to in that area) you can be sure bouncers will pick up on it.

London V Toronto
You'd have to be a mug to pick Toronto over London. London beats it in terms of the people are far better, far nicer parks, more culture, more things to do. However
at the moment Torognto is better for me. I picked up a 60k job here by pure luck (was on 25 at home) meaning in a years time I can return home (or go to Oz, or work in America) and net a 35-40k job doing the same thing. I need that years experience before I can **** the company off though. Also my rent is 500$ here so I'm goin to be able to save a ton.
I find myself wishing people would walk faster so I'm having to adjust to a slower pace of life.

Job hunting sucks
Job hunting here sucks the fat one. I got lucky but work in a fast paced industry and had been applying for jobs 3 month prior to arriving and when I did arrive I applied to over 400 jobs (professional work not casual). A friend of mine who been at a coffee shop for 6 months tell me she didn't hear back from the one job she applied for. I shook my head. 400 applications and I had 5 interview....
It sucks balls here I wonder what it's like in Vancouver where there aren't very many industries.

It's ok so far
It's cool for me cos I'm just doing bunac so it literally cost me £200 for one way flight and 150 or so my visa. No way would I pay more than that to move to Canada. And the weather has been fantatic since I arrived. If the weather was snowing every day for 4 months I'm unsure how I'll react. Probably just save cash up with plan to get the **** out of this city when the weather gets nicer. Whether that's another city in Canada or back to a european country or Oz, or NZ I'm not sure yet. Hope this review gives any romantics some perspective.

All I can think of to some up Toronto so far. Don't get me wrong I'm having an amazing time and met some proper fun people but in reviews you tend to hear more of the negatives (as the positives get taken as a given I guess)

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Toronto is a bit scummy/dirty
It's quite a dirty city.

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

Been here about a month now so I thought I'd do a quick snap review on my judgements so far.

Tons of brown people
Toronto is a very multi cultural city. If the prospect of lots of minorities bother you then you may want to rethink it. I live in China town and quite like it. I'm from London so same shit different bucket really but I imagine if you're from some outback place up north it may be a bit of a culture shock.

\
There's tons of stuff to do. It's a pretty cool city. At the weekend something i cool i alway going on. I got to see ****ed Up in Dundas square for free the other week which was pretty sweet. There's tons of people to party with in TO too. That's where the good points stop. After that it mostly looks the same, the people are shite. I met a girl I'm seeing from Barrie (which is also a bit of a shithole) and she' one crazy broad. I'll see how it goes. Shes amazingly good looking (hence the putting up with crazy). I'm pretty much just here to shag everything though.

Torontonians are arseholes
That's a fair generaliation yet so far I've met more canadians I liked travelling in Asia than I have in Toronto. You have to remember there isn't an arsehole drain. For instance you could live in one of the nice pockets around London with all the arseholes/attitudes going off to London central. In New Zealand you have a nice asshole drain with Washington so Auckland is pretty cool. I'm sure my view will change when I start work next week but so far it seems everyones got an attitude. It seems like a very New York attitude here though...despite not being New York.

Toronto is a bit scummy/dirty
It's quite a dirty city. This city has by far, more crazies than any place I've been. So far I've walked up University Avenue (between queen and dundas) and some black guy was jerking off right there on a bench not 30 feet from the entrance to an office skyscraper. I watched another guy fly kick a cyclist off his bike and when the cyclist got up bemused the fella yelled out "this isn't montreal bitch". Another time I saw a dude walking down Spadina then spazz out and start punching the **** out of a tree. Don't get me wrong theres crazies everywhere and I have a fair few stories of crazies in London but I've been here 20 days and seen that already.

Canada really is same shit different bucket
(To me this is a non issue as I expected it but can imagine what some people back home dream it to be)
Everyones got the same issues here. Everyone my age (early 20s) are all dealing with exactly the same shit back home so if you move here hoping your teenager won't self harm/get into drug/be a whore or shag loads of girls then you'll be sorely mistaken as all that shit goes on here except pot is WAY more acceptable over here. It's more common to be a total life style thing and people back home that wouldn't smoke pot do at parties over here. To the point you can be at a gig smoking a joint and no one bats an eyelid whereas if you're drinking (but aren't allowed to in that area) you can be sure bouncers will pick up on it.

London V Toronto
You'd have to be a mug to pick Toronto over London. London beats it in terms of the people are far better, far nicer parks, more culture, more things to do. However
at the moment Torognto is better for me. I picked up a 60k job here by pure luck (was on 25 at home) meaning in a years time I can return home (or go to Oz, or work in America) and net a 35-40k job doing the same thing. I need that years experience before I can **** the company off though. Also my rent is 500$ here so I'm goin to be able to save a ton.
I find myself wishing people would walk faster so I'm having to adjust to a slower pace of life.

Job hunting sucks
Job hunting here sucks the fat one. I got lucky but work in a fast paced industry and had been applying for jobs 3 month prior to arriving and when I did arrive I applied to over 400 jobs (professional work not casual). A friend of mine who been at a coffee shop for 6 months tell me she didn't hear back from the one job she applied for. I shook my head. 400 applications and I had 5 interview....
It sucks balls here I wonder what it's like in Vancouver where there aren't very many industries.

It's ok so far
It's cool for me cos I'm just doing bunac so it literally cost me £200 for one way flight and 150 or so my visa. No way would I pay more than that to move to Canada. And the weather has been fantatic since I arrived. If the weather was snowing every day for 4 months I'm unsure how I'll react. Probably just save cash up with plan to get the **** out of this city when the weather gets nicer. Whether that's another city in Canada or back to a european country or Oz, or NZ I'm not sure yet. Hope this review gives any romantics some perspective.

All I can think of to some up Toronto so far. Don't get me wrong I'm having an amazing time and met some proper fun people but in reviews you tend to hear more of the negatives (as the positives get taken as a given I guess)

Originally Posted by MarylandNed

Toronto dirtier than London? I've lived in both cities and London was certainly far dirtier than Toronto. In fact, Toronto is consistently ranked as one of the cleanest cities in the world. In addition, Mercer's respected Quality of Living index ranks Toronto above London.

http://www.mercer.com/press-releases...Ranking_Tables

Mercer evaluates local living conditions in all the 420 cities it surveys worldwide. Living conditions are analysed according to 39 factors, grouped in 10 categories:

1.Political and social environment (political stability, crime, law enforcement, etc)
2.Economic environment (currency exchange regulations, banking services, etc)
3.Socio-cultural environment (censorship, limitations on personal freedom, etc)
4.Health and sanitation (medical supplies and services, infectious diseases, sewage, waste disposal, air pollution, etc)
5.Schools and education (standard and availability of international schools, etc)
6.Public services and transportation (electricity, water, public transport, traffic congestion, etc)
7.Recreation (restaurants, theatres, cinemas, sports and leisure, etc)
8.Consumer goods (availability of food/daily consumption items, cars, etc)
9.Housing (housing, household appliances, furniture, maintenance services, etc)
10.Natural environment (climate, record of natural disasters)

Originally Posted by JamesM

He's a jack the lad from England. Did you read his original post? This is not a person who research's indexes nor has time for them.

Originally Posted by JamesM

He's a jack the lad from England. Did you read his original post? This is not a person who research's indexes nor has time for them.

Originally Posted by Novocastrian

I hate to hijack Jack the Lad's thread, but what is that apostrophe doing in there?

Trying to get screwed?

Originally Posted by JamesM

He's a jack the lad from England. Did you read his original post? This is not a person who research's indexes nor has time for them.