Rented hot water tanks?
Feb 1st 2007, 3:32 pm
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Re: Rented hot water tanks?
Here, Ill let someone else do it
http://www.bchydro.com/business/inve...tigate831.html
http://www.greenventure.ca/ecohouse/...1/printer.html
http://www.gotankless.com/
http://www.foreverhotwater.com/
I dont know that the microwave one is for sale yet, but its rather pompously called the "Vulcanus Mark 4"
Basically rather than have a tank full of hot water in the basement that sits there all day, getting reheated to keep it to temperature even if you arent using it, a tankless or "on demand" system heats the water only as you need it...no tank at all.
Natural Gas ones I think are the most efficient ones, I havent seen any oil fired ones. Tankless systems costs more to buy, but less to run, and they tend to last longer too as they are not under pressure all the time. My guess is that energy costs are going to continue to rise, making the extra cost of a tankless system easier to justify financially. It will cut your carbon footprint too if you are the sort that cares about that.
http://www.bchydro.com/business/inve...tigate831.html
http://www.greenventure.ca/ecohouse/...1/printer.html
http://www.gotankless.com/
http://www.foreverhotwater.com/
I dont know that the microwave one is for sale yet, but its rather pompously called the "Vulcanus Mark 4"
Basically rather than have a tank full of hot water in the basement that sits there all day, getting reheated to keep it to temperature even if you arent using it, a tankless or "on demand" system heats the water only as you need it...no tank at all.
Natural Gas ones I think are the most efficient ones, I havent seen any oil fired ones. Tankless systems costs more to buy, but less to run, and they tend to last longer too as they are not under pressure all the time. My guess is that energy costs are going to continue to rise, making the extra cost of a tankless system easier to justify financially. It will cut your carbon footprint too if you are the sort that cares about that.
Cost is a major factor $1500-$2000 installed versus a 40 US Gallon tank installed would cost in the neighborhood of $500-700.
Apparently you use more water with a tankless system as you have to let the water run longer in order to get hot water to the tap?
http://www.chilipepperapp.com/tankless.htm
http://www.energysolutionsalberta.co...?V_DOC_ID=1139
I think that next time I need a new tank (if that happens) I'll take a real serious look at tankless on demand systems.
Cheers
Steve
Feb 1st 2007, 3:33 pm
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Re: Rented hot water tanks?
Here, Ill let someone else do it
http://www.bchydro.com/business/inve...tigate831.html
http://www.greenventure.ca/ecohouse/...1/printer.html
http://www.gotankless.com/
http://www.foreverhotwater.com/
I dont know that the microwave one is for sale yet, but its rather pompously called the "Vulcanus Mark 4"
Basically rather than have a tank full of hot water in the basement that sits there all day, getting reheated to keep it to temperature even if you arent using it, a tankless or "on demand" system heats the water only as you need it...no tank at all.
Natural Gas ones I think are the most efficient ones, I havent seen any oil fired ones. Tankless systems costs more to buy, but less to run, and they tend to last longer too as they are not under pressure all the time. My guess is that energy costs are going to continue to rise, making the extra cost of a tankless system easier to justify financially. It will cut your carbon footprint too if you are the sort that cares about that.
The downside is that when it is heating its uses a lot more power / gas to keep up with the demand for water, a whole house electric heater might need some rewiring done to cope with the heavy power draw requirements.
http://www.bchydro.com/business/inve...tigate831.html
http://www.greenventure.ca/ecohouse/...1/printer.html
http://www.gotankless.com/
http://www.foreverhotwater.com/
I dont know that the microwave one is for sale yet, but its rather pompously called the "Vulcanus Mark 4"
Basically rather than have a tank full of hot water in the basement that sits there all day, getting reheated to keep it to temperature even if you arent using it, a tankless or "on demand" system heats the water only as you need it...no tank at all.
Natural Gas ones I think are the most efficient ones, I havent seen any oil fired ones. Tankless systems costs more to buy, but less to run, and they tend to last longer too as they are not under pressure all the time. My guess is that energy costs are going to continue to rise, making the extra cost of a tankless system easier to justify financially. It will cut your carbon footprint too if you are the sort that cares about that.
The downside is that when it is heating its uses a lot more power / gas to keep up with the demand for water, a whole house electric heater might need some rewiring done to cope with the heavy power draw requirements.
What do you do when the power's out?
Feb 1st 2007, 3:34 pm
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Re: Rented hot water tanks?
Most of these are natural gas fueled. I guess the pilot ignition ones have an advantage over the electronic igniton ones when the power is out
Personally Im screwed when the power is out anyway as my water comes pumped fresh from the well. I would hazard a guess that you live without hot water for a short while till the power comes back on. The washer wont be running anyway.
Feb 1st 2007, 3:35 pm
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Feb 1st 2007, 3:39 pm
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I do, but it only comes out during prolonged outages, which are thankfully few and far between.
I wouldnt try and run the washer off the generator anyway, although it can probably be done.
Frankly I just rather like the idea of being screwed while the power is out
I wouldnt try and run the washer off the generator anyway, although it can probably be done.
Frankly I just rather like the idea of being screwed while the power is out
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Feb 1st 2007, 3:45 pm
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Re: Rented hot water tanks?
I have no idea why the washer would present any problem, it's the drier (if all electric) that would be a big problem. I only have a 2.8 kw generator and I can power both the washer and drier (propane) at the same time.
Feb 1st 2007, 3:45 pm
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Re: Rented hot water tanks?
Thanks Iain and Steve.
On demand would be nice, I can't say I've missed it though but that's only because the bath here is tiny and unused, and for showers one of us gets up at 6am and the other lounges until long after the tank is refilled
One of the links says you can't run a dishwasher and take a shower at the same time with a basic tankless system, it can't keep up. You need the more advanced something or other for that?
My head hurts. Will read and digest later. Or look for a house with its own tank
On demand would be nice, I can't say I've missed it though but that's only because the bath here is tiny and unused, and for showers one of us gets up at 6am and the other lounges until long after the tank is refilled
One of the links says you can't run a dishwasher and take a shower at the same time with a basic tankless system, it can't keep up. You need the more advanced something or other for that?
My head hurts. Will read and digest later. Or look for a house with its own tank
Feb 1st 2007, 3:45 pm
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Re: Rented hot water tanks?
Most of these are natural gas fueled. I guess the pilot ignition ones have an advantage over the electronic igniton ones when the power is out
Personally Im screwed when the power is out anyway as my water comes pumped fresh from the well. I would hazard a guess that you live without hot water for a short while till the power comes back on. The washer wont be running anyway.
Personally Im screwed when the power is out anyway as my water comes pumped fresh from the well. I would hazard a guess that you live without hot water for a short while till the power comes back on. The washer wont be running anyway.
Feb 1st 2007, 3:50 pm
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Re: Rented hot water tanks?
Feb 1st 2007, 4:05 pm
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Feb 1st 2007, 8:07 pm
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Re: Rented hot water tanks?
I'm trying to sell mine you know.I'm forecasting this time in 2010 I might have a buyer
Seriously put whatever conditions you want I have told you people are desperate here.
By the way who is your realtor and have you decided to go for lakeshore.
Go tankless it's got to be more efficient.
Den
Feb 1st 2007, 8:14 pm
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