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MarkG May 8th 2012 6:28 am

Re: Quick question re. purchasing laptops
 

Originally Posted by Hawk13 (Post 10048578)
Viruses, trojans, etc.

While that's true, I ran Windows PCs for years with no kind of anti-virus and never had a problem even when connected directly to the Internet with only the software firewall for protection. Macs are safer for inexperienced users, but Windows isn't so bad as long as you don't behave in ways that are likely to infect your machine; like running random software you downloaded off the Web.

Of course I run Linux 99% of the time now so that's no longer an issue; I only keep a Windows PC around for iTunes for my girlfriend's iPod.

MikeUK May 8th 2012 6:30 am

Re: Quick question re. purchasing laptops
 

Originally Posted by Hawk13 (Post 10048578)
Viruses, trojans, etc.

…………..snip……⠀¦â€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦..

I am Scottish though and yes I'm cheap, so if I'm going to pay a premium for something it better bloody well perform and the Mac has exceeded my expectations and was well worth what I paid for it.

Well then you better go check your Mac for a virus update, it can take Apple as long as a couple of months to correct the issue and they have a bad habit of not informing there users that they have a risk of infection.

http://www.montrealgazette.com/techn...318/story.html

The only reason why Mac’s don’t have so many viruses is simply because its smaller market, however the growth of the brand combined with the ignorance and delusion of its owners has made it ripe and easy for attack..

If you really want a virus immune OS then look at one of the better Linux variants and a PC… run from read only ROM/flash... or better still get off the internet

MarkG May 8th 2012 6:32 am

Re: Quick question re. purchasing laptops
 

Originally Posted by chrisbrockhurst (Post 10048597)
I know investing in a Apple product is seen as overpriced, but your not just paying for the brand name it genuinely is a product that 'works' and will continue to do so without issues for 5 years + Try finding a PC that does this.

Macs are PCs.

Assuming you mean 'Windows PC', my old XP machine that I brought over from England doesn't get booted up much anymore but it's still running after nine years; the only issue is that the Microsoft Framework something or other is screwed up and won't update even if I uninstall it and reinstall it. My original $500 Linux PC from 2008 is still working fine after four years too.

I looked at Macs when I bought my new laptop, and for an extra $1500 I could have had an Apple logo, less RAM and a slightly faster CPU. I think you can guess which one I picked.

Hawk13 May 8th 2012 6:37 am

Re: Quick question re. purchasing laptops
 

The only reason why Mac’s don’t have so many viruses is simply because its smaller market, however the growth of the brand combined with the ignorance and delusion of its owners has made it ripe and easy for attack..
Are you serious?


or better still get off the internet
or better yet, just get a Mac.

exenglishman May 8th 2012 6:41 am

Re: Quick question re. purchasing laptops
 

Originally Posted by MarkG (Post 10048611)
Macs are PCs.

Assuming you mean 'Windows PC', my old XP machine that I brought over from England doesn't get booted up much anymore but it's still running after nine years; the only issue is that the Microsoft Framework something or other is screwed up and won't update even if I uninstall it and reinstall it. My original $500 Linux PC from 2008 is still working fine after four years too.

I looked at Macs when I bought my new laptop, and for an extra $1500 I could have had an Apple logo, less RAM and a slightly faster CPU. I think you can guess which one I picked.

Yep its very much possible. But for majority of people this wont be the case. Their laptop they paid $600 for wont last past 2-3 years without needing something done.

Im just trying to explain the benefits over a Windows PC - having worked in the IT dep of a school in England, I can tell you the lifespan of a Windows machine is terrible, dont buy cheap, and dont buy without added protection of at least 3 years.

MikeUK May 8th 2012 7:27 am

Re: Quick question re. purchasing laptops
 

Originally Posted by chrisbrockhurst (Post 10048629)
Yep its very much possible. But for majority of people this wont be the case. Their laptop they paid $600 for wont last past 2-3 years without needing something done.
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Well I have 10+yr IBM laptop running win98 in our lab taking tempreture measurements on a regular basis..

pdarwin May 8th 2012 7:36 am

Re: Quick question re. purchasing laptops
 

Originally Posted by MikeUK (Post 10048702)
Well I have 10+yr IBM laptop running win98 in our lab taking tempreture measurements on a regular basis..

Same here - Toshiba Satellite laptop bought in 1999 running Windows 2000, perfect now as it was then. Good for emails and web surfing still.
Macs. Wouldn't have 'em in the house.

Hawk13 May 8th 2012 7:40 am

Re: Quick question re. purchasing laptops
 

running win98

running Windows 2000
That's awesome.

I think my original Pong game will still work if I hook it up to my TV - now which box is it in?

MikeUK May 8th 2012 7:53 am

Re: Quick question re. purchasing laptops
 

Originally Posted by Hawk13 (Post 10048734)
That's awesome.

I think my original Pong game will still work if I hook it up to my TV - now which box is it in?

I can even get my Apple ][ or Apple//c up and running ProDos or Apple Basic

which just disproves a hardware life cyle of less than 3 yrs

FYI we got an old coleco vision up and running last month

Dotty P May 8th 2012 8:02 am

Re: Quick question re. purchasing laptops
 
I could have predicted that my post would get you boys discussing your hardware ;)

Question, from OH of course, what are the equivalents to Dabs and Novatech etc, i.e. where to get components when building a PC and is that the cheaper option in Canada rather than buying off the shelf.......

Aviator May 8th 2012 8:36 am

Re: Quick question re. purchasing laptops
 

Originally Posted by chrisbrockhurst (Post 10048590)
Agreed they are for some and not for others.

Reasons to go for a Mac (laptop specifically)

- Very hard to get a virus - having had PC's prior to 2010 I would get some form of a virus/malware flag up every few months. Since having a Mac not once. Exact the same for everyone else I know who has one.

- Materials & Parts - Macbook Pros are made from one piece of aluminium, drop this and the casing isnt going to break (internals might not not the outer part) it also doesnt warp. I have had multiple laptops in the past that get stress cracks, warp and crack just with basic wear and tear. Very annoying.

- Software (OS) - Windows computers DO slow down noticably with use, it cant be helped, it is because of the way Windows was designed. Windows knows and acknowledges this (new Windows 8 has one touch restore button to re-install basic OS system to restore speed) Macs slow, but it isnt noticeable. For everyday use this is ideal.

Reasons not to get a Mac,

Price - Alot higher than PC's.
Software availability - getting better, especially with Bootcamp.
Familiarity - Used to Windows, cant handle the change

My personal opinion there are two kinds of people best suite to Mac.
- Digital Artists using high end Adobe and Mac native software
- Basic users who Surf internet, listen to music and download/watch movies

Mid end users who use random bits of software and Gamers are not suited to Macs at all.

Using Adobe CS5 on a PC with no issues, graphics monitor, onboard video, calibrated monitors. Does not seem slow,

MikeUK May 8th 2012 8:48 am

Re: Quick question re. purchasing laptops
 

Originally Posted by Dotty P (Post 10048780)
I could have predicted that my post would get you boys discussing your hardware ;)

Question, from OH of course, what are the equivalents to Dabs and Novatech etc, i.e. where to get components when building a PC and is that the cheaper option in Canada rather than buying off the shelf.......

Depending where your based, in the GTA we have lot of local hardware shops that are very competive on price..

My personal shop of choice is Canada computers

I tend to buy my motherboards off e-bay, and any specialty parts, but the commodity items such as drives, PSU’s etc I’ll buy local.
But my system isn’t close to normal being a multiuser Linux system based on a commercial server and a set of thin clients around the home

Dotty P May 8th 2012 8:50 am

Re: Quick question re. purchasing laptops
 

Originally Posted by MikeUK (Post 10048870)
Depending where your based, in the GTA we have lot of local hardware shops that are very competive on price..

My personal shop of choice is Canada computers

Excellent. Many thanks for that. OH will be pleased. :thumbsup:

exenglishman May 8th 2012 10:13 am

Re: Quick question re. purchasing laptops
 

Originally Posted by Dotty P (Post 10048875)
Excellent. Many thanks for that. OH will be pleased. :thumbsup:

Another 2 popular ones are Tiger Direct and NCIX.

exenglishman May 8th 2012 10:17 am

Re: Quick question re. purchasing laptops
 

Originally Posted by Aviator (Post 10048852)
Using Adobe CS5 on a PC with no issues, graphics monitor, onboard video, calibrated monitors. Does not seem slow,

How about Editing in Final Cut Pro, Grading in Color and animating in After Effects.. all at the same time? :D

Your right though, with a high enough end PC you can get the same sort of results. Im just saying from my experience, coming from a PC for many years and switching to a Mac, the difference is eye-opening - for some of the stuff I do (see above)


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