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Old Jul 31st 2009 | 4:21 am
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Does anyone know if there could be any issues with depositing new funds in canadian bank account after landing, these are funds that I couldn't access when I was moving here and I now would like to have this transferred into my account in canada.Its not a big amount, just $5000 in the form of a bankdraft. Will Revenue Canada treat this as income...also I declared I had less than $10,000 when I moved in(which was true at that time) but now if I deposit the new amount my account will be around $10,000 or more. Any risk getting fined there for not reporting this when landing?
 
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Does anyone know if there could be any issues with depositing new funds in canadian bank account after landing, these are funds that I couldn't access when I was moving here and I now would like to have this transferred into my account in canada.Its not a big amount, just $5000 in the form of a bankdraft. Will Revenue Canada treat this as income...also I declared I had less than $10,000 when I moved in(which was true at that time) but now if I deposit the new amount my account will be around $10,000 or more. Any risk getting fined there for not reporting this when landing?
1. No, it won't be treated as income. There are no taxes on money, only if it is earned income.
 
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ok thank you so much, it takes a weight off my mind. I assume I wont have to prove to Revenue Canada that this amount I deposited is not money earned here in Canada? Cheers



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1. No, it won't be treated as income. There are no taxes on money, only if it is earned income.
 
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ok thank you so much, it takes a weight off my mind. I assume I wont have to prove to Revenue Canada that this amount I deposited is not money earned here in Canada? Cheers
You don't say the source of these funds. If you are a Canadian tax payer it does not matter whether it was earned here or somewhere else, it is still income. If it was an insurance policy or the like and you owned the funds prior to becoming a tax resident, then it it unlikely to be considered income.

If it was an insurance policy or similar and the funds increased in value between landing and you receiving them, any gain in value may become taxable as interest or unearned income.

If asked, you will have to prove to CRA where the funds came from and their source, even if they prove to be non taxable. You are required to keep all paperwork for 7 years. If ever audited or sent an assessment by CRA saying you owe money, the onus is on the taxpayer to prove you don't owe CRA money, not on CRA to prove you do.
 
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1. No, it won't be treated as income. There are no taxes on money, only if it is earned income.
This is incorrect, unearned income may also be taxable, such as CGT, interest, currency gains, dividends, employment insurance payments etc.. How it is treated depends on ones circumstances and status at the time.
 
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Ok makes it clearer now, so I need be prepared then if asked about it. Not too surprised about this though...heard on the radio today how they gonna tax people who sell stuff on ebay canada. Looking for every cent they can grab from us

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You don't say the source of these funds. If you are a Canadian tax payer it does not matter whether it was earned here or somewhere else, it is still income. If it was an insurance policy or the like and you owned the funds prior to becoming a tax resident, then it it unlikely to be considered income.

If it was an insurance policy or similar and the funds increased in value between landing and you receiving them, any gain in value may become taxable as interest or unearned income.

If asked, you will have to prove to CRA where the funds came from and their source, even if they prove to be non taxable. You are required to keep all paperwork for 7 years. If ever audited or sent an assessment by CRA saying you owe money, the onus is on the taxpayer to prove you don't owe CRA money, not on CRA to prove you do.
 
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BTW, not meaning to hi-jack the thread but... what happens if you've been in Canada on TWP for a few years and and show proof of funds to the IO during landing with an amount higher than $10 000 but the IO only writes $10 000 on the COPR under "money in possession"? I realized this now after looking at my COPR he didn't write the exact amount that was listed on the Canadian bank statement I showed him. Should I report this?

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Originally Posted by kleinluka
BTW, not meaning to hi-jack the thread but... what happens if you've been in Canada on TWP for a few years and and show proof of funds to the IO during landing with an amount higher than $10 000 but the IO only writes $10 000 on the COPR under "money in possession"? I realized this now after looking at my COPR he didn't write the exact amount that was listed on the Canadian bank statement I showed him. Should I report this?
That would likley be sales tax, not income tax unless people sell for a profit. Used goods sold for a loss and not for business assets are not taxable as income as they have been (or should have been) paid for with tax paid funds. This would get really cumbersome to figure out. Any business would be taxable as the expense was likley taken in reporting revenue.
 
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HI

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Ok makes it clearer now, so I need be prepared then if asked about it. Not too surprised about this though...heard on the radio today how they gonna tax people who sell stuff on ebay canada. Looking for every cent they can grab from us
Note it is less than $10K so it isn't even reported by the bank to Fintrac.
 
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Originally Posted by kleinluka
BTW, not meaning to hi-jack the thread but... what happens if you've been in Canada on TWP for a few years and and show proof of funds to the IO during landing with an amount higher than $10 000 but the IO only writes $10 000 on the COPR under "money in possession"? I realized this now after looking at my COPR he didn't write the exact amount that was listed on the Canadian bank statement I showed him. Should I report this?
Unless you have earned income or gains from overseas sources, no need to report capital owned prior to becoming a tax resident. Any revenue earned from these funds is reportable. Keep statements and documentation in case you are ever asked to produce it. An audit rarely goes back more than 3 years, but can go back as far as 7. Deliberate evasion, they can go back as far as they like.
 
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I guess I dont have a choice now, will see what happens after I pay in the bankdraft. is the amount limit you mention refering to the specific amount ill be depositing or does it refer to total amount that I will have after I deposit, because it then be over $10k?

Cant believe all this...taxing on these amounts when they couldn't even track down Mr Earl Jones of Montreal over all these years!!

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Note it is less than $10K so it isn't even reported by the bank to Fintrac.
 
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Originally Posted by The Aviator
Unless you have earned income or gains from overseas sources, no need to report capital owned prior to becoming a tax resident. Any revenue earned from these funds is reportable. Keep statements and documentation in case you are ever asked to produce it. An audit rarely goes back more than 3 years, but can go back as far as 7. Deliberate evasion, they can go back as far as they like.
Thanks a lot! I just called CBSA just to be sure and they said it's all good.
 
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Originally Posted by kleinluka
Thanks a lot! I just called CBSA just to be sure and they said it's all good.
CBSA don't speak for the CRA though. The $10,000 threshold reporting to CBSA is for money laundering rules. Worth hanging to paperwork for a while in case a tax inspector ever asks and you need to prove you owned the funds prior to coming to Canada, no matter how unlikely that may be.

I would not get too concerned about it if it's all above board.
 
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CBSA don't speak for the CRA though. The $10,000 threshold reporting to CBSA is for money laundering rules. Worth hanging to paperwork for a while in case a tax inspector ever asks and you need to prove you owned the funds prior to coming to Canada, no matter how unlikely that may be.

I would not get too concerned about it if it's all above board.
The lady that I spoke to (they actually connected me to the border crossing where I landed) said they only write $10 000 because that's the minimum amount I need and that since I didn't bring in the money from outside but accumulated the money in Canada through salary (and the money is on a bank account in Canada) that it was ok. But yeah I'm hanging on to all the paperwork anyway
 

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