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I've noticed that there have been a lot of posts about alcohol, what's the best, where and when you can buy it, etc....I've got a bit of a different question.

My husband and I don't touch alcohol. He's teetotal, and I'm allergic, so we never have the stuff in (understandably). At 25 and 29, we're seen as very unusual in our peer groups, as most (not all) people can't understand NOT drinking alcohol by CHOICE.

What's the attitude in Canada towards drinking? Is it just expected that you will have a beer or a glass of wine with a meal, and would you be considered rude if you opted out? I would imagine if we were going to throw a party it would either be BYOB or we'd get some beers in for others, but I was curious if the attitude is different over there...any thoughts?

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On a personal level, I don't think there is one attitude. I think it really depends who you hangout with. I know a lot of people in Canada who don't drink; for most of them it's because the risk of alcoholism for them is a risk they don't want to take, others just don't like the taste but I and others don't perceive it as weird not to drink. There are probably social circles where there is pressure to drink but they certainly do not dominate, not as far I as I see it anyway.

On the societal level though, I think attitudes do differ between Canada and the UK. In some areas alcohol is not allowed period. In most (all?) public places you can not drink alcohol at all (on the west coast, if you sit down by the ocean and smoke a joint it's very unlikely you're going to get any hassle but crack open a bottle of wine?! there's a good chance it will be conficated and that you'll be told to 'move along'). Cops are really anal about alcohol in public - I don't think you can even carry unopened booze around unless it's in a bag (hidden) but I'm not 100% sure about that.

In many, if not most municipalities, you could be hauled off to the drunk tank (jail for the night) if you're being a drunk pain in the ass in public. I used to think that was a bit harsh but after being in a few cities in the UK on a Friday night, I think I prefer the more fascist approach in policing found in Canada - in this specific aspect anyway... although when I'm taking a long train trip in the UK, I love being able to sip a cider along the way.

No and no. A simple 'thanks but I don't drink' should be sufficient and accepted in most cases. I think in most social circles there is minimal social pressure to drink. People generally 'get' that alcohol isn't for everyone. I have found it to be similar in the UK; a British friend of mine doesn't drink and gets more grief because he doesn't like coffee.

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I don't generally drink and haven't had any problems attending functions where alcohol is served. So far no one has questioned my preference to just have a coke.

HH

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That's reassuring. I hate the "what? Of course you want a real drink!" comments etc. when I just ask for a coke or water.

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I'm rather curious on your comment about the risk of alcoholism and I'm just wondering if you could expand on that? Is it a personal perception or was there a study I missed at sometime?



[QUOTE=hot wasabi peas]On a personal level, I don't think there is one attitude. I think it really depends who you hangout with. I know a lot of people in Canada who don't drink; for most of them it's because the risk of alcoholism for them is a risk they don't want to take, others just don't like the taste but I and others don't perceive it as weird not to drink. There are probably social circles where there is pressure to drink but they certainly do not dominate, not as far I as I see it anyway.

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Not long back from 3 weeks in London Ontario

I was very suprised that I did not see one drunk walking down the streets.
In Glasgow you would be gauranteed to see many drunks walking down the street

When I was over I went into Loblaws, looking for some beer, after many trips up the aisles, searching in vain, I had to ask a shop assistant. I was very suprised at his answer, "We dont sell beer or spirits in here".

He explained to me that beer and spirits could only be purchased at licensed Govt shops, The Beer Store and the LCBO. I think this idea as brilliant as it stops the teenagers hanging about outside the supermarkets asking adults to get them booze, also it is more regulated and controlled. These shops were fairly busy, in fact the lady in front of me spent nearly $800 on just wine and spirits, a lot of wonga wonga !!!!!! for wines and spirits.

Every shop / newsagents / supermarket / cornershop in the UK sells booze, I get really pissed of at the local CHAVS asking me to get them booze, so Canada you have a brilliant system

Eddie

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We took a holiday rental in Calgary last year. When the owner was showing us around the house we asked where the nearest liquor store was as we had been into the nearest big supermarket on the way and had not seen one near there.

Well, he actually scratched his head and said he'd never been asked that before! He himself did not drink. :eek:

We explained we quite liked a glass of wine with a meal, and I wondered for a moment if we had said something really bad :p, but he didn't seem to mind, just didn't know the answer!

He had a guess at the nearest mall where there might be one, and turned out to be right! :D :beer:

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I believe in Ontario alcohol is illegal and in many others the
drinking age is 32.
Bizarely however smoking Cannabis is compulsory in BC and not
doing so can land you a fine or even imprisonment.

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Some of the attitude is brillient. As the designated driver on our nights out - I usually pay for my first non alcholic drink and the rest are free (I queried my bill first time that happened!) :D

People tend not to bring as much booze to parties here as they did in UK (but this is a small sample group)

Clare

PS drink driving is more prevalent and more socially acceptable :mad: For example our drink driving premier :( :( :( who has just been voted in again :(

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They charged you for the first soft drink too, cheap outfit. :D

Same here in Alberta though a few places I've been to didn't charge for drinks (soft of course) if you mentioned at the outset that you were the designated driver.

Mind that was a few years ago now, I don't frequent bars or pubs anymore as they are still smoking establishments here and my cardiologist would have a fit if he heard I was in one. :)

A single glass of red wine per day is my intake for medicinal reasons only. :D

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In BC the pubs are smoke free :D :D

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I think it's just their personal percepetion. The people I know who don't drink because of their risk come from families where there is a history of alcoholism. I don't know whether alcoholism has a genetic factor or not but 'a family history' is enough for a lot of people I know who choose to to be dry. Also some people I know choose to be dry to help other family members and friends quit boozing. I hope that makes sense!

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Booze isn't illegal - you just have to go to the Beer Store or the LCBO to buy it. You're not allowed to have alcohol in the passenger area of your car, you have to transport it in the boot/trunk. I don't think the legal age to drink is as high as 32 - maybe check out with someone already there, I may be wrong!!

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Interesting thread........

Speaking personally the fact that alcohol sales are restricted to mostly government run operations is, I find, bizarre. In my experience they are not overly ubiquitous and opening hours are not great.

Also - if you go into an LCBO or whatever you can buy [say] a bottle of gin to take away but they don't sell mixers, so you have to go to a 7-11 to buy your tonic. It's just less convenient than in the UK for the consumer.

I don't know if this is cross-Canada but in downtown Toronto one evening, whilst dining alone, I was told that it's illegal for restaurants to serve a single person a bottle of wine in one go?

Why? You can order 6 glasses in succession no bother. :eek:

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I am going to get cruxified for this,
but alcohol is not cheap....and in Canada it is really expensive, I do not drink either and find that tooooooo many brits drink way to much.
Pubs on every corner, off license, Tesco's, asda's. sainsbury, you get the idea, alcohol on a par is much cheaper in the UK, the drinking age is too low as well.

When ever we go to a pub I take a look around just to see how many of us tea granny's are there, and in most cases we are the only table without alcohol....why do brits insist on drinking for every occasion, glass of wine with your meals...drink water is better for you and doesn't disguise the taste of your food....every time we go to a friends place the first thing they ask is "wine or beer"...ummmm no thanks tea is fine thank you...
I have seen soo many people to allow their underage children to have a glass of wine with their meals, THEY DON'T NEED IT...then UK wonders why they have a nation of binge drinkers??? :beer:
I am glad that Canada has the LCBO and beer stores, it keeps kids out for starters, and they never used to be open on Sundays til some nitwit government official decided they could make more money with sunday openings...(at least they were open Sunday when I left Ont)

My husband is a recovering alcoholic, and his friends know why he does not drink any more, but they get a few drinks in them, forget and start offering or buying drinks for him....now isn't that a real bright thing to do??? :mad:

Canada has its boozers as well, but UK has ALOT more of them....

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In most of Europe alcohol is even cheaper, sold in even more places and minimum drinking ages, if they exist, are much lower and not strictly adhered to.

However Britain seems to be the only country that has the kind of situation that we do on a Friday and Saturday night.

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I'm not going to crucify you, but a couple of things, just out of interest.

If I went to pubs any more, which I don't, I would expect to pay about C$5.50 for a pint of regular lager (say Fosters). That's about £2.30. What's the going rate in the UK at the moment?

If I buy a 24-bottle case, it costs me about C$25 (say eleven quid). What would it be in the UK?

I think Canada has more boozers than is immediately obvious. The boozing culture is not bar-based; drinking is done at home. Gatineau, where I live, has less than 30 bars listed in the phone book (for a city of some 225,000 people). That suggests little boozing. However, every supermarket, convenience store - even gas station - has a huge pile of beer cases. Somebody is drinking all that beer. You can tell when people are going grocery shopping by the sound of clinking (ie empty) 24s being loaded into cars.

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"If I went to pubs any more, which I don't, I would expect to pay about C$5.50 for a pint of regular lager (say Fosters). That's about £2.30. What's the going rate in the UK at the moment?"

I have no idea what it is as I never buy it, but you are putting the exchange rate on it, it does not come into the equation if you make cdn $'s, why do you convert that into British £? Dollar for £ it is cheaper in UK...

"If I buy a 24-bottle case, it costs me about C$25 (say eleven quid). What would it be in the UK? Again you are putting currency conversion, it does not apply....unless you live on the british£?
I think Canada has more boozers than is immediately obvious. The boozing culture is not bar-based; drinking is done at home. Gatineau, where I live, has less than 30 bars listed in the phone book (for a city of some 225,000 people). That suggests little boozing. However, every supermarket, convenience store - even gas station - has a huge pile of beer cases. Somebody is drinking all that beer. You can tell when people are going grocery shopping by the sound of clinking (ie empty) 24s being loaded into cars."

You must be living in Quebec, b/c in Ontario you will not get booze in gas stations or corner stores or groceries stores. Drinking age in Quebec is also younger then Ont.
And how many british homes can you walk into that do not have alcohol in them? (other then mine)
Britain has a drink problem, and they need to do something before it is completely out of control....and it is not just Fri/Sat night...my husband is having to put in OT at his nick to keep the drunks under control, and the majority of the problem is alcohol related....I can walk around tourist attractions in TO without stepping into someones puke...I can't in London..(even tho I looooooove London, and not fussy on TO)

I guess because I have never been a drinker, I can't understand why people have/want to drink. No one says "I want to be an alcoholic" but the world is full of them. As I am off topic, will shut my yap now....

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Same in Ontario and Quebec

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Sorry, having lived in London for two years all I can say is that in the down town area you never walked down to the Richmond Arms at the junction between Richmond street and King street, never went anywhere near the Ridout Arms at Ridout and York, for what its worth I’d recommend avoiding this area late on Fridays and Saturdays.. I could give you a long list of where you can find the drunks in London.. But next time you go a good look in the slums around east of Adelaide and Queens should suffice…

All the booze will have been bought at The LCBO during normal hours as the beer store really doesn’t cater for the stronger stuff …

Granted not as bad as the places I knew In Glasgow down by the Tennents brewery where I used to work… but still Drunks are Drunks

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Forget about the first two points. I'd ignored the PPP.

Yes, I'm in Quebec. Despite the widespread availability of booze, I've yet to see a public drunk. Or much vomit (dog excluded).

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Really?

Some municipalities in Ontario have gone smoke-free. I don't think it's a provincial thing; yet.

Smoking in bars is still mandatory in most of Quebec.

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Anywhere that booze is sold will attract drunks.

My experience here is that there is much less of a drinking culture. I probably go out for a drink after work about twice a month instead of once a week in the UK.

If I go to the sports club there isn't a licenced bar (which IMHO is a bit of a shame) and alcohol is banned in public parks here (excellent idea IMHO).

There are a few haunts in the centre of Calgary which I guess if you fancy a punch-up you would head to, but the bars/pubs I do frequent are non-agressive and have non-smoking areas.

What I have yet to see is large numbers of young people swarming around the downtown area pissed up and being abusive to anyone who happens to be passing.

We have 2 pubs and 1 bar within 5 mins walk of our house and there is very little, if any, trouble.

Alcohol is slightly more expensive here if you use the fx rate but then other things are cheaper.

In Alberta the liqour stores are privatised so booze costs slightly less.

I consume far less alcohol here than in the UK, not becuase of the price but because a) the "social" drinking culture is less prevalent b) the altitude and dry atmosphere exacerbate the dehydrating effect of drinking too much.

Off cource, disregard everything I've said during Stampede :)