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Old Sep 11th 2008 | 10:39 am
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Originally Posted by cathcrow
Well I'm a Catholic Head of Religious Education so the course I'm looking at is the Graduate Diploma in RE at Newman Theological College in Edmonton. My husband was looking at the Diploma in Business Management at Lethbridge Community College. They both have start dates of September or January. My course also has an option for distance learning, which I had assumed I wouldn't be able to take advantage of. If it was only 1 course out of 10 that was distance learning could I still get the part time work permit, or would it ruin my chances?

Any ideas about how to stay on in Canada after the course is finished? Is the Full Work Visa you mention difficult to get or a formality?
If your course, no matter if is made up of distance and campus based credits is full time, then you're entitled to a part-time WP (that sounds a bit of an oxymoron). Once you've completed your studies, you're entitled to a 1yr WP to do as you please with (this entitlement is certainly the case for BC, I don't know of the rules in other provinces).

Beyond that year following completion of studies, you'll need to apply for extension of the WP, or a job offering LMO.
 
Old Sep 11th 2008 | 10:41 am
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Originally Posted by Jules Europe
So to do this option would you still need to apply and come over on a study visa? Also I have a list of participating institutions from the CIC site so I would imagine the institution has to come from this list? Is a post graduate certificate from a college recognized as well as its equivalent from a university? Anyway this is great advice.
Yes, you'd still need to be physically present in Canada to study, whether remotely or on campus.

Yes, the CIC list would apply.

I don't know what courses or programs are deemed relevant, or what institutions are classed as appropriate, sorry.

It's worth looking into PLAR (Prior Learning Assessment and Recognition) that the institution offers - work experience and previously gained educational qualifications can go a long way to saving course fees, credits and the time you might need to top up qualifications. There's normally a nominal fee to go through the PLAR process.

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Old Sep 11th 2008 | 10:43 am
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And at that stage if I managed to secure a teaching job offer would that get the LMO, or would I still struggle as its not a shortage occupation?
 
Old Sep 11th 2008 | 10:47 am
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Originally Posted by cathcrow
And at that stage if I managed to secure a teaching job offer would that get the LMO, or would I still struggle as its not a shortage occupation?
It'd be guess work for me to know whether years ahead from now if a teaching job may/may not entitle you to LMO. Sorry, that's not much help.
 
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Fair enough - you've actually been a great help, I really appreciate it.

So I guess I can take it that this plan isn't too flawed and could in fact be a way in!! Hooray, at last some hope.

Thanks again RICH, you've been a star!
 
Old Sep 11th 2008 | 10:52 am
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Originally Posted by cathcrow
Fair enough - you've actually been a great help, I really appreciate it.

So I guess I can take it that this plan isn't too flawed and could in fact be a way in!! Hooray, at last some hope.

Thanks again RICH, you've been a star!
You're welcome.

There are risks with your plan, but it depends on your attitude to risk. It makes what I did to emigrate look like a walk in the park

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Originally Posted by R I C H
It'd be guess work for me to know whether years ahead from now if a teaching job may/may not entitle you to LMO. Sorry, that's not much help.
Would it be the case, that if you graduated from your course and then received your full time work visa. You then in turn found a full-time job and then your employer offered you the job permamntly. Would you still have to get an LMO or would this not be necessary because you were already doing the job? Also would each provinces OUP lists have any bearing on either of these two options?
 
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cathcrow - hi - liaise with Mrs Miggins too - not only is she currently based in Lethbridge, but was also studying there on a study permit I think - and is now somewhere between medicals and final PR status.

I make it sound really simple when I put it like that - and I'm sure it isn't (!) - but no doubt she could point you in the right direction with the minutae of how it is all done
 
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Might be worth looking at the new CEC that comes online on 17th September. I know you need to meet certain criteria in terms of course duration/type/level etc. and also need to meet the requirements of previous work experience. Have a look as this may be your route to PR after your studies have ended.
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Originally Posted by LorraineG
Might be worth looking at the new CEC that comes online on 17th September. I know you need to meet certain criteria in terms of course duration/type/level etc. and also need to meet the requirements of previous work experience. Have a look as this may be your route to PR after your studies have ended.
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From a quick observation, looking at the CIC site, speaking to others here. It seems that anyone studing in Canada and meeting a certain criteria could be eligible for PR through either the SW or PNP options. Failing that, the new CEC may well provide a safety net in which to fall back on but that will probably become more apparent either way over a period of time.
 
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Hello
Sorry to butt in on your thread but your plan B is very similar to ours.
Basically we are looking at each and any method to get to Ontario.
My husband has a Bsc in Policing and a management qualification to an equivalent level. He will be taking early retirement from the Police. We don't know how he could transfer these skills to employment there. I have 120 credits towards an Early Childhood Studies degree and a Diploma and experience in that field.
I used to be a nurse and am currently exploring the possibility of returning to this, but it won't be at degree level which I'm led to believe I will need to practice in Ontario.
Bear with me I'm getting to the questions!
Would it be better for me to study either in Early Childhood or Nursing ( I enjoy both ) and my husband to try and get work, or for him to study for an MBA or similar and me work?
We won't have a mortgage but we do have 2 kids to support.
Any ideas for the right way to go? Thanks.
 
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Originally Posted by Deeny
Hello
Sorry to butt in on your thread but your plan B is very similar to ours.
Basically we are looking at each and any method to get to Ontario.
My husband has a Bsc in Policing and a management qualification to an equivalent level. He will be taking early retirement from the Police. We don't know how he could transfer these skills to employment there. I have 120 credits towards an Early Childhood Studies degree and a Diploma and experience in that field.
I used to be a nurse and am currently exploring the possibility of returning to this, but it won't be at degree level which I'm led to believe I will need to practice in Ontario.
Bear with me I'm getting to the questions!
Would it be better for me to study either in Early Childhood or Nursing ( I enjoy both ) and my husband to try and get work, or for him to study for an MBA or similar and me work?
We won't have a mortgage but we do have 2 kids to support.
Any ideas for the right way to go? Thanks.
I`m still trying to ascertain how much of a difference it makes depending on what you study. Is it going to be a case that you could study something at diploma or degree level and even post grad level and then when you apply for PR through its various forms, being told that your area of work is now not in demand but if you had studied something else you would be in demand? Or is it case that just by studying something on the NOC list you would definately be eligible?
 
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Sorry, let me clarify;

We are not sure who is most likely to be employable in the short term, given that there are no employment restrictions on a partner of a student.
If I were to study ,with a view to getting a job on the NOC list, would my husband be able to find a job to support us with his experience and qualifications?
Or, would it be better for him to study, again to obtain a qualification allowing us to apply for PR, whilst I supported us?
Which one of us at the moment is more employable ?
Hope that explains it better.
 
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Originally Posted by R I C H
Yes, as long as it's a full time course based from an accredited Canadian University.
Forgive me if I am wrong - this is my first post although I've been lurking on here for a while now.

I read your comments about Distance Learning and tried to find out more about whether Distance Learning can qualify for a Study Permit. All I could find was the following:

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/informa...ides/5580E.asp

Note: Distance-learning from either inside or outside of Canada does not qualify for this program.

This says that you are not eligible for the Post-Graduation Work Permit Program if you have been studying by Distance Learning.

Also:

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/resourc...s/op/op12e.pdf

5.9. Distance learning
Distance learning can be telelearning, correspondence, or internet courses.
A study permit is a written authorization to engage in studies in Canada and CIC's understanding of a student is a person authorized to engage in studies in Canada [R1].
Since by definition distance learning does not require one to be in Canada, a study permit cannot be issued for this type of course.

I hope you can prove me wrong.
 
Old Sep 13th 2008 | 6:39 pm
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Originally Posted by Deeny
Basically we are looking at each and any method to get to Ontario. My husband has a Bsc in Policing and a management qualification to an equivalent level. He will be taking early retirement from the Police. We don't know how he could transfer these skills to employment there.
I suggest you read the Wiki article called Security Services-Canada.

Would it be better for me to study either in Early Childhood or Nursing ( I enjoy both ) and my husband to try and get work, or for him to study for an MBA or similar and me work?
If you're going to be the one who studies, nursing would be a much more lucrative field for you to get into -- by a long shot.

My guess is that it would be better for you to study. With the spousal open work permit (SOWP) that he could get on the basis of your study permit, your husband wouldn't have to worry about a labour market opinion (LMO), and I think he'd have a reasonable chance of getting a decent (meaning decently paying) job. If things were the other way round and you were the one who had the SOWP, I don't think you'd be able to get as well paying a job as I think your husband could get. Early childhood education is not a well paying field in Canada. Nursing is a well paying occupation but, as you've pointed out, you don't have the degree that is required for nursing in Ontario. So you'd have to work as a less well paid nurses' aide or something like that. If, on the other hand, you qualified as a registered nurse, you'd be well rewarded for your efforts.

Edited to add that, while I don't know the occupations for which your husband qualifies on the National Occupational Classification (NOC), I am guessing that his occupations belong to Skill Level 0, A or B on the NOC Matrix. I say that because he has a degree and managerial experience. If my hunch about his Skill Level is correct, he can apply for PR without further education.

If you became a registered nurse, you too would belong to a Skill Level that would make you eligible to apply for PR.
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