Pinging without ponging...
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Now correct me if I’m wrong, but I have a Jotel unit and they are in principle the same as the pacific energy units, they are lined with mineral wool insulation to keep the outside layer from getting too hot to be a contact risk and as a result minimize the amount of radiant heat emitted, the unit does allow some airflow around the fire box to get some convection heat flow from the fireplace , but I’d bet about 70% of your heat goes up the chimney!!
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A wood burning stove in a wood house with wood floors...
Think ….wood stove
They are considered a significant fire risk by the insurance companies
Add in air born particulates in a house that will be sealed reasonably tight in the winter, its smells pleasant to start with, but then lingers on everything including the lining of your lungs…
Think ….wood stove
They are considered a significant fire risk by the insurance companies
Add in air born particulates in a house that will be sealed reasonably tight in the winter, its smells pleasant to start with, but then lingers on everything including the lining of your lungs…
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Are they different to the ones in the UK then, because everyone and his wife seem to be fitting them at the moment? I know they always have this huge slab that they sit on and they are all sealed up and the blurb that my father got made no mention of the whole house ending up in flames or lungs like a welsh miners for that matter. Did mention 80% heat recovery though, perhaps they feel that would compensate.
Given the amount of insulation I found in the stove and in the chimney I think 80% heat recovery may be for a more elaborate wood burning furnace rather than for this type of stove..
My uncle in the UK has a wood burning fire/furnace with back boiler and heat exchanger for maximum recovery, it’s a lot different that anything I’ve ever seen over here, it doesn’t emit any smells and pulls in external air to burn.
Most of the stoves here pull in air from inside the room, some goes into the combustion chamber and some routes around the outside to heat up the room, they do smell as a small percentage of the combustion fumes will enter the room, and the bulk of the heat goes up the chimney just like an old coal fire..
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I wouldn’t go as far as lungs of welsh miners, but they’re not great if you have respiratory issues and after a while the pleasant smell become an annoying stink you can’t get rid of, a bit like an old ash tray or an old coal fire..
Given the amount of insulation I found in the stove and in the chimney I think 80% heat recovery may be for a more elaborate wood burning furnace rather than for this type of stove..
My uncle in the UK has a wood burning fire/furnace with back boiler and heat exchanger for maximum recovery, it’s a lot different that anything I’ve ever seen over here, it doesn’t emit any smells and pulls in external air to burn.
Most of the stoves here pull in air from inside the room, some goes into the combustion chamber and some routes around the outside to heat up the room, they do smell as a small percentage of the combustion fumes will enter the room, and the bulk of the heat goes up the chimney just like an old coal fire..
Given the amount of insulation I found in the stove and in the chimney I think 80% heat recovery may be for a more elaborate wood burning furnace rather than for this type of stove..
My uncle in the UK has a wood burning fire/furnace with back boiler and heat exchanger for maximum recovery, it’s a lot different that anything I’ve ever seen over here, it doesn’t emit any smells and pulls in external air to burn.
Most of the stoves here pull in air from inside the room, some goes into the combustion chamber and some routes around the outside to heat up the room, they do smell as a small percentage of the combustion fumes will enter the room, and the bulk of the heat goes up the chimney just like an old coal fire..
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Thats an interesting perspective, the two families that do run the wood fire that we know, one has two big labs that spend a lot of time outdoors (and are wet and smelly, but fun) and the other family smokes
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I think any heating is down to personal preference and available budget. My understanding is that any H&S risk is reduced by using the stove correctly rather like driving a car.
I prefer our wood stove for the heat and it meets our budget for heating our house. Splitting all the cut wood that was dumped on our driveway and then stacking it last August was rather fun and a workout to boot. We look forward to the next time.
I have a few friends that are spending extortionate amounts on oil and electric heat, I am glad that we dont have that cost to contend with. And no, we dont smoke MikeUK
I prefer our wood stove for the heat and it meets our budget for heating our house. Splitting all the cut wood that was dumped on our driveway and then stacking it last August was rather fun and a workout to boot. We look forward to the next time.
I have a few friends that are spending extortionate amounts on oil and electric heat, I am glad that we dont have that cost to contend with. And no, we dont smoke MikeUK
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I think any heating is down to personal preference and available budget. My understanding is that any H&S risk is reduced by using the stove correctly rather like driving a car.
I prefer our wood stove for the heat and it meets our budget for heating our house. Splitting all the cut wood that was dumped on our driveway and then stacking it last August was rather fun and a workout to boot. We look forward to the next time.
I have a few friends that are spending extortionate amounts on oil and electric heat, I am glad that we dont have that cost to contend with. And no, we dont smoke MikeUK
I prefer our wood stove for the heat and it meets our budget for heating our house. Splitting all the cut wood that was dumped on our driveway and then stacking it last August was rather fun and a workout to boot. We look forward to the next time.
I have a few friends that are spending extortionate amounts on oil and electric heat, I am glad that we dont have that cost to contend with. And no, we dont smoke MikeUK
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Ahh I am guilty on both counts, which probably explains my natural affinity with wood stoves. I cannot believe that oil is cheaper to run over there, at one point last winter we were paying 70p per litre for our oil, if I wasn't so nesh I would have refused to fill up on principle. Fortunately for the children I like my creature comforts, so I paid for the delivery and just grumbled...a lot...
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I think any heating is down to personal preference and available budget. My understanding is that any H&S risk is reduced by using the stove correctly rather like driving a car.
I prefer our wood stove for the heat and it meets our budget for heating our house. Splitting all the cut wood that was dumped on our driveway and then stacking it last August was rather fun and a workout to boot. We look forward to the next time.
I have a few friends that are spending extortionate amounts on oil and electric heat, I am glad that we dont have that cost to contend with. And no, we dont smoke MikeUK
I prefer our wood stove for the heat and it meets our budget for heating our house. Splitting all the cut wood that was dumped on our driveway and then stacking it last August was rather fun and a workout to boot. We look forward to the next time.
I have a few friends that are spending extortionate amounts on oil and electric heat, I am glad that we dont have that cost to contend with. And no, we dont smoke MikeUK
Why did you have wood dumped on your driveway? Was it a gift from your neighbours? What a fantastic way to get rid of teenage temper tantrums, chopping and stacking wood has multiple benefits. I wonder whether it would rank above or below clearing up the dog poo the list of 'jobs that mum makes us do to ruin our lives' ?
How much is oil/electric over there?
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It was dumped on there as thats the way they delivered it, up to us to move it where we so desired. No idea on oil except that one of my friends was paying $100 a week to heat their house with oil. Its a little house but not very well insulated. That was before it got really cold too.
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It was dumped on there as thats the way they delivered it, up to us to move it where we so desired. No idea on oil except that one of my friends was paying $100 a week to heat their house with oil. Its a little house but not very well insulated. That was before it got really cold too.
There again how much wood do you use? How big a pile is it? How often do they deliver?
#59
I don't think it matters where the logs are delivered, they'll still need moving somewhere.
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Ahh I am guilty on both counts, which probably explains my natural affinity with wood stoves. I cannot believe that oil is cheaper to run over there, at one point last winter we were paying 70p per litre for our oil, if I wasn't so nesh I would have refused to fill up on principle. Fortunately for the children I like my creature comforts, so I paid for the delivery and just grumbled...a lot...
Wood does give a redundant source of heating if the power goes out. That's likely more a consideration for the more rural dweller.
I'd heat with wood if the design of our house permitted but we really have nowhere to put a stove.
Pellet stoves are increasingly popular here. Bags of pellets run $5.99 each. No idea how long one lasts.



