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Old Feb 6th 2017, 6:53 pm
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Originally Posted by not2old
Given most countries trade globally, you'd think that there would be no need for controls on movement of people - folks should be able to move, live & work freely in any country, you'd think?

Would you or anyone like to see a 'world passport' (one passport fits all) where folks from any country could move freely, similar to the now for those within the EU?

If not, why not? What restrictions if any would folks like to see imposed on the 'freedom of movement of global people?
From a financial perspective, that simply wouldn't work.
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Old Feb 6th 2017, 7:08 pm
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Just like the EU, its a numbers game

The top 10, even 20 countries with the highest GDP could cover the rest of the worlds population

List of Countries by Projected GDP 2016 - StatisticsTimes.com

"In nominal data, 15 economies would have gdp above $1 trillion, 61 have above $100 billion and 176 have above $1 billion.

Top five economies accounts for approximately 54.28 %, where as top ten accounts for approx. 67.44 %. 91 smallest economies only contribute 1 % in global wealth and 153 lowest ranked constitute only 10 % of total"


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Default Re: Petition - freedom of movement in commonwealth countries

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Just like the EU, its a numbers game

The top 10, even 20 countries with the highest GDP could cover the rest of the worlds population

List of Countries by Projected GDP 2016 - StatisticsTimes.com

"In nominal data, 15 economies would have gdp above $1 trillion, 61 have above $100 billion and 176 have above $1 billion.

Top five economies accounts for approximately 54.28 %, where as top ten accounts for approx. 67.44 %. 91 smallest economies only contribute 1 % in global wealth and 153 lowest ranked constitute only 10 % of total"


Population by Country (2017) - Worldometers
IIRC you would recently complaining about how the two governments that control your life had made financial decisions that are crippling your ability to fund your lifestyle.

Are you now saying that you would be happy for those governments to fund the lifestyles of the population of rest of the world that have a lower income than you?
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Default Re: Petition - freedom of movement in commonwealth countries

Looking at the original thread i would say Canada shares the least amount of culture with the UK than NZ & AUS..maybe that why many Brits choose those ahead of Canada?
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Default Re: Petition - freedom of movement in commonwealth countries

Originally Posted by not2old
Given most countries trade globally, you'd think that there would be no need for controls on movement of people - folks should be able to move, live & work freely in any country, you'd think?

Would you or anyone like to see a 'world passport' (one passport fits all) where folks from any country could move freely, similar to the now for those within the EU?

If not, why not? What restrictions if any would folks like to see imposed on the 'freedom of movement of global people?
Yes.

If you follow the conclusion of free market economics then it would solve everything as the market corrected itself over time.

It won't ever happen. Well not in any of our lifetimes.
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Old Feb 7th 2017, 9:50 am
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Default Re: Petition - freedom of movement in commonwealth countries

Originally Posted by Gozit
Yes its been discussed and some people got up in arms over the term 'Commonwealth', when the Commonwealth includes more than just Canada, UK, Aust and NZ.

Which I agree with. It shouldn't be called Commonwealth freedom of movement if it isn't within the full commonwealth. I support the scheme, but it should have another name.
I think it is a great idea but yes should have a different name.
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Default Re: Petition - freedom of movement in commonwealth countries

Originally Posted by cheeky_monkey
Looking at the original thread i would say Canada shares the least amount of culture with the UK than NZ & AUS..maybe that why many Brits choose those ahead of Canada?
No I think it is because, at one point at least, it was easier to secure an immigration visa for Australia than it was for Canada. That may still be true in some cases (it wouldn't be for me but I'm only one person and everyone's circumstances are different).

There is also that whole 'big house, sunshine and a swimming pool' vibe that attracts a lot of especially blue collar expats from Britain towards the land down under. Similarly, I think a lot of people choose New Zealand based on family ties or because they want to move to Australia but for some reason don't qualify.
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Default Re: Petition - freedom of movement in commonwealth countries

Originally Posted by Gozit
Yes its been discussed and some people got up in arms over the term 'Commonwealth', when the Commonwealth includes more than just Canada, UK, Aust and NZ.

Which I agree with. It shouldn't be called Commonwealth freedom of movement if it isn't within the full commonwealth. I support the scheme, but it should have another name.
You mean a more honest one such as " freedom of movement for mostly Anglo commonwealth countries keeping out Johnny Foreigner types"
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Default Re: Petition - freedom of movement in commonwealth countries

Originally Posted by Gozit
Yes its been discussed and some people got up in arms over the term 'Commonwealth', when the Commonwealth includes more than just Canada, UK, Aust and NZ.

Which I agree with. It shouldn't be called Commonwealth freedom of movement if it isn't within the full commonwealth. I support the scheme, but it should have another name.
In your case Gozit, half your feedom of movement is solved by having (like many others) dual citizenship.

With a degree you can move, live & work in the US on a TN visa.

Live & work in any EU country

As a Maltese citizen ease of access to Australia

In an ideal world where an individual born in Canada to a British born parent, the other parent is American, each parent having Australian citizenship prior to your birth. Imagine having different four passports?

Solves everything in a simplistic way


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Default Re: Petition - freedom of movement in commonwealth countries

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With a degree you can move, live & work in the US on a TN visa.
The last time I checked TN wasn't that simple. You need a job offer from a list of eligible job titles and some of them undergo serious scrutiny by the US authorities. There is also no route to a green card from TN so it leaves you in an indefinite state of legal limbo.
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The last time I checked TN wasn't that simple. You need a job offer from a list of eligible job titles and some of them undergo serious scrutiny by the US authorities. There is also no route to a green card from TN so it leaves you in an indefinite state of legal limbo.
I think that a TN can switch to an H-1B, then to a green card?

Maybe someone can jump on this?

As far as the TN , I would think a Canadian on a TN have all the intentions to get pre-employment arranged & to work. Just simpler than going the full immigrant route that others have to from other places other than Australia that seem to have an easier go of it getting an E3.

https://travel.state.gov/content/vis...ent/nafta.html


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As a Maltese citizen ease of access to Australia
There has been no nationality preference within the Australian immigration system for over 40 years bar New Zealanders under the reciprocal Trans-Tasman Agreement.
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Old Feb 9th 2017, 3:12 pm
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There has been no nationality preference within the Australian immigration system for over 40 years bar New Zealanders under the reciprocal Trans-Tasman Agreement.
sorted, thank you

A Maltese citizen can go the 'WHV' (sub-class 417) and I believe can as a 'tourist' stay up to 12 months, or is that 6 months?
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Default Re: Petition - freedom of movement in commonwealth countries

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sorted, thank you

A Maltese citizen can go the 'WHV' (sub-class 417) and I believe can as a 'tourist' stay up to 12 months, or is that 6 months?
Maltese citizens are eligible for a subclass 417 Working Holiday visa and can apply for a subclass 651 eVisitor visa online for free along with the rest of the EU.

Certain countries will find it easier to visit on a temporary basis as a visitor or as a working holidaymaker under reciprocal agreements but there's no preference when it comes to permanent migration. Even the Kiwis' status in Australia is temporary indefinitely unless they also jump through the same hoops as everyone else.
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Default Re: Petition - freedom of movement in commonwealth countries

Originally Posted by not2old
I think that a TN can switch to an H-1B, then to a green card?

Maybe someone can jump on this?

As far as the TN , I would think a Canadian on a TN have all the intentions to get pre-employment arranged & to work. Just simpler than going the full immigrant route that others have to from other places other than Australia that seem to have an easier go of it getting an E3.

https://travel.state.gov/content/vis...ent/nafta.html


Directory of US visa categories, immigrant & non-immigrant
https://travel.state.gov/content/vis...ategories.html
TN can go straight to GC, timing of I-485 wrt to TN renewal is critical though. Even then, current policy is to allow TN renewal with pending I-485 (even though TN doesn't have dual intent.)
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