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louiseeg Sep 21st 2010 4:42 am

Pal/ntsc converter
 
I brought my playstation over and of course it doesnt work in the tv we have, has anyone brought one over and been able to plug it in, or know of a good product you can use???

I have a converter for my macbook so can watch movies using that, but i have playstation games and would be easier if i can watch dvds on that instead of my macbook.

Any help would be good, otherwise i will just have to send my playstation back to the uk and sell it.

Thanx

el_richo Sep 21st 2010 4:48 am

Re: Pal/ntsc converter
 

Originally Posted by louiseeg (Post 8865550)
I brought my playstation over and of course it doesnt work in the tv we have, has anyone brought one over and been able to plug it in, or know of a good product you can use???

I have a converter for my macbook so can watch movies using that, but i have playstation games and would be easier if i can watch dvds on that instead of my macbook.

Any help would be good, otherwise i will just have to send my playstation back to the uk and sell it.

Thanx

Which model of Playstation? If it's a PS3 then a HDMI cable should work fine for you.

louiseeg Sep 21st 2010 4:55 am

Re: Pal/ntsc converter
 
nope, sadly a ps 2. I brought it as my husband has the cable so we could connect my one to the wall using his cable. its somethign to do with the power or something from our ps2 to canadas ps2 or something (well thats what i kinda found out from reading online, but am very confused)

is there anything you know of for ps2? Would it be a good idea then to get a ps3 from the uk? (i know that seems kinda dumb really)

el_richo Sep 21st 2010 7:28 am

Re: Pal/ntsc converter
 

Originally Posted by louiseeg (Post 8865596)
nope, sadly a ps 2. I brought it as my husband has the cable so we could connect my one to the wall using his cable. its somethign to do with the power or something from our ps2 to canadas ps2 or something (well thats what i kinda found out from reading online, but am very confused)

is there anything you know of for ps2? Would it be a good idea then to get a ps3 from the uk? (i know that seems kinda dumb really)

The best bet is to find the nearest skip and deposit the PS2 and treat yourself to a new PS3 in Canada.

Joe_Sleepy Sep 21st 2010 7:54 am

Re: Pal/ntsc converter
 

Originally Posted by el_richo (Post 8866055)
The best bet is to find the nearest skip and deposit the PS2 and treat yourself to a new PS3 in Canada.

:thumbup:

Steve_P Sep 21st 2010 9:31 am

Re: Pal/ntsc converter
 

Originally Posted by el_richo (Post 8866055)
The best bet is to find the nearest skip and deposit the PS2 and treat yourself to a new PS3 in Canada.

New PlayStation 3 Move 320 GB Bundle supposedly released September 17th. $474.99 at Costco.

Or the older PlayStation 3 160 GB $374.99

MarkG Sep 21st 2010 11:48 am

Re: Pal/ntsc converter
 
If you have a fast PC, you could also try the Playstation 2 emulators that are available on the web. Not all games work, but the more popular ones should.

AdrianR Sep 21st 2010 1:08 pm

Re: Pal/ntsc converter
 

Originally Posted by el_richo (Post 8866055)
The best bet is to find the nearest skip and deposit the PS2 and treat yourself to a new PS3 in Canada.

+1

PAL/NTSC converters are professional bits of gear and not at all cheap - or worthwhile for changing the video signal on a PS2.

alexisatk Sep 21st 2010 1:46 pm

Re: Pal/ntsc converter
 

Originally Posted by el_richo (Post 8865572)
Which model of Playstation? If it's a PS3 then a HDMI cable should work fine for you.

Would a HDMI cable without a converter work for a Pal Wii and NTSC tv?

CanadaJimmy Sep 21st 2010 4:28 pm

Re: Pal/ntsc converter
 
The composite a/v cable included with the PS2 should work fine. If the issue is power, then you can likely purchase a replacement power adaptor from somewhere like Deal Extreme however as others have said it might not be worth the hassle.

I actually got a PS2 after I moved here, it's got a great gaming library. Who's up for some Shadow of the Colossus? :)

MarkG Sep 21st 2010 5:01 pm

Re: Pal/ntsc converter
 

Originally Posted by alexisatk (Post 8866842)
Would a HDMI cable without a converter work for a Pal Wii and NTSC tv?

Our Blu-Ray player plays PAL DVDs over HDMI on our TV, but I don't know whether it's doing some sneaky conversion along the way.

Alan2005 Sep 21st 2010 5:42 pm

Re: Pal/ntsc converter
 

Originally Posted by MarkG (Post 8867127)
Our Blu-Ray player plays PAL DVDs over HDMI on our TV, but I don't know whether it's doing some sneaky conversion along the way.

DVD's is digital innit.

MarkG Sep 21st 2010 6:10 pm

Re: Pal/ntsc converter
 

Originally Posted by Alan2005 (Post 8867186)
DVD's is digital innit.

It's still PAL or NTSC, and HDMI is digital so all you pass over it is digital data.

Alan2005 Sep 21st 2010 6:29 pm

Re: Pal/ntsc converter
 

Originally Posted by MarkG (Post 8867221)
It's still PAL or NTSC, and HDMI is digital so all you pass over it is digital data.

To be very pedantic:

The video on a DVD might be encoded to a pal (or ntsc) equivalent resolution, but the actual format used will (most likely) be mpeg-2. It won't really be pal or ntsc as these are analogue standards. For instance region 0 DVD players will output ntsc, but will play any DVD's from anywhere.

The OP's problem is that if the PS2 is outputting pal analogue then they won't stand a chance of getting a TV here to work with it if they didn't bring one with them.

canadian_bacon_boy Sep 21st 2010 10:35 pm

Re: Pal/ntsc converter
 

Originally Posted by Alan2005 (Post 8867261)
To be very pedantic:

The video on a DVD might be encoded to a pal (or ntsc) equivalent resolution, but the actual format used will (most likely) be mpeg-2. It won't really be pal or ntsc as these are analogue standards. For instance region 0 DVD players will output ntsc, but will play any DVD's from anywhere.

The OP's problem is that if the PS2 is outputting pal analogue then they won't stand a chance of getting a TV here to work with it if they didn't bring one with them.

But I thought most Tv's come with PAL/Secam/NTSC compatibility. Or is that just in the UK? Do North American TV's only come with NTSC?

MarkG Sep 22nd 2010 3:49 am

Re: Pal/ntsc converter
 

Originally Posted by canadian_bacon_boy (Post 8867591)
Do North American TV's only come with NTSC?

About two people in North America who aren't from Europe even know what PAL is :).

And regardless of whether it's analogue or digital, it's still 50Hz vs 60Hz, and it's still 576 lines vs 480 lines. So there's no guarantee that the TV will display a digital signal that's completely alien to what it's designed to show; our TV will only display a small number of video modes from the computer, for example, even though it's pure digitial data going into a digital system over a digital HDMI interface.

MarkG Sep 22nd 2010 3:52 am

Re: Pal/ntsc converter
 

Originally Posted by Alan2005 (Post 8867261)
The OP's problem is that if the PS2 is outputting pal analogue then they won't stand a chance of getting a TV here to work with it if they didn't bring one with them.

You can't output analogue PAL over HDMI, and PAL over HDMI is the question I was answering.

Alan2005 Sep 22nd 2010 4:18 am

Re: Pal/ntsc converter
 

Originally Posted by canadian_bacon_boy (Post 8867591)
But I thought most Tv's come with PAL/Secam/NTSC compatibility. Or is that just in the UK? Do North American TV's only come with NTSC?

TV's her do NTSC and that's it. Euro TV's tend to do NTSC and Pal. Why the TV's are made this way I have no idea.


Originally Posted by MarkG (Post 8868364)
You can't output analogue PAL over HDMI, and PAL over HDMI is the question I was answering.

Yes, sorry. Missed that.

CanadaJimmy Sep 22nd 2010 4:25 am

Re: Pal/ntsc converter
 

Originally Posted by Alan2005 (Post 8867261)
The OP's problem is that if the PS2 is outputting pal analogue then they won't stand a chance of getting a TV here to work with it if they didn't bring one with them.

This is incorrect, the PS2 as standard comes with RCA composite cables; Yellow composite video and Red/White L/R Audio. PAL and NTSC differ by encoding the video and audio information in different ways in a combined radio signal, however with composite the audio is already separated and the video is encoded in a standard way using YUV. The only difference is the refresh rate and number of lines, with PAL being 50hz and NTSC being 60hz. However on almost all TVs this is flexible, most will accept 50hz or 60hz and any number of lines over composite because there is no decoding involved. Saying they won't stand a chance is untrue because the differences over composite are minor compared to an aerial signal.

Alan2005 Sep 22nd 2010 4:38 am

Re: Pal/ntsc converter
 

Originally Posted by CanadaJimmy (Post 8868440)
This is incorrect, the PS2 as standard comes with RCA composite cables; Yellow composite video and Red/White L/R Audio. PAL and NTSC differ by encoding the video and audio information in different ways in a combined radio signal, however with composite the audio is already separated and the video is encoded in a standard way using YUV. The only difference is the refresh rate and number of lines, with PAL being 50hz and NTSC being 60hz. However on almost all TVs this is flexible, most will accept 50hz or 60hz and any number of lines over composite because there is no decoding involved. Saying they won't stand a chance is untrue because the differences over composite are minor compared to an aerial signal.

are you sure? pal/ntsc encode the colours in different ways too - it's not just the audio. If you've tried this and it works then fair enough. I remember my camera can output pal or ntsc for quick display on a TV and this goes into the yellow composite input. If I've got it wrong it displays in black and white.

CanadaJimmy Sep 22nd 2010 4:46 am

Re: Pal/ntsc converter
 
Hmm, now you mention that thing about your camera that does sound familiar actually, there shouldn't be any reason for that to happen though since it should just be YUV... the wikipedia article on Composite Video isn't much help :(

Alan2005 Sep 22nd 2010 4:52 am

Re: Pal/ntsc converter
 

Originally Posted by CanadaJimmy (Post 8868479)
Hmm, now you mention that thing about your camera that does sound familiar actually, there shouldn't be any reason for that to happen though since it should just be YUV... the wikipedia article on Composite Video isn't much help :(

I've got a UK SNES in the cupboard (which I don't need to use because I run an emulator on my mac mini which sits under the TV). I might try and plug it in later to see what it does. I'll post back when I've done it.

alexisatk Sep 24th 2010 12:58 am

Re: Pal/ntsc converter
 
FYI

I used a Composite Cable for my PAL Wii on a NTSC TV and it worked perfectly! Thanks for the suggestions in this thread!


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