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Ontheboatout Apr 13th 2008 12:58 am

Opportunities in High Tea
 
There seems to be many people set in the idea they have to do the same job when they get here and for obvious reasons. Yet it's really dollars for pounds (where we are anyway NSNS) so you only need to earn half as much for the same lifestyle.

If you could choose another job to get by...without having to afford holidays, designer gear and four cars...what would you do?

Maybe an IT consultant would become a High Tea consultant - our area is crying out for a Tea/Coffee bar with leather settees, newspapers and the like.......

Lobster fisherman
Oyster scraper
Farmer
Cider maker
Window cleaner

What would it be?

Cassie 10000 Apr 13th 2008 1:22 am

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Ski Instructor for me. Get paid for something I like doing. :D

dwight-van-man Apr 13th 2008 1:24 am

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Zamboni driver...

Rich_007 Apr 13th 2008 4:21 am

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Originally Posted by Ontheboatout (Post 6201653)
...so you only need to earn half as much for the same lifestyle.

How on earth do you figure that out? The math doesn't work that way.

i.e. Bill used to earn 60k GBP now earns $30k
Bills household bills were 2000 GBP per month now they're $3500.

Q: calculate Bill's net advantage over living in the UK.

How does that all work out?

Regardless of the 'details' it appears you're one of the people selling stupid grande dreams to gullible people who are seeking those dreams. Buyer beware. I smell BS.

R.

Tangram Apr 13th 2008 5:03 am

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Originally Posted by Rich_007 (Post 6202312)
How on earth do you figure that out? The math doesn't work that way.

i.e. Bill used to earn 60k GBP now earns $30k
Bills household bills were 2000 GBP per month now they're $3500.

Q: calculate Bill's net advantage over living in the UK.

How does that all work out?

Regardless of the 'details' it appears you're one of the people selling stupid grande dreams to gullible people who are seeking those dreams. Buyer beware. I smell BS.

R.

I wondered that too. I was earning slightly more than my Canadian equivalent and we are pretty much struggling ( partly through over buying on the house plus other factors out of my control ).

But no way do those ideas add up in either reality or dream world.

Piff Poff Apr 13th 2008 5:43 am

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A fudge kitchen - that's what I want!

Oh and a Chow farm please.

R I C H Apr 13th 2008 5:49 am

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Originally Posted by Rich_007 (Post 6202312)
Buyer beware. I smell BS.

"Good counsel has no price"

I guess you get what you pay for ;)

Ontheboatout Apr 13th 2008 8:26 am

Re: Opportunities in High Tea
 

Originally Posted by Rich_007 (Post 6202312)
How on earth do you figure that out? The math doesn't work that way.

i.e. Bill used to earn 60k GBP now earns $30k
Bills household bills were 2000 GBP per month now they're $3500.

Q: calculate Bill's net advantage over living in the UK.

How does that all work out?

Regardless of the 'details' it appears you're one of the people selling stupid grande dreams to gullible people who are seeking those dreams. Buyer beware. I smell BS.

R.

Bill should move to NSNS. Definitely dollars for pounds here, except milk and chicken. What's wrong with dreams? Why should you do over here what you did over there?

Poppy2 Apr 13th 2008 8:52 am

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Not wanting to enter into debate, but I would want to live well and comfortably, as anyone would. But going somewhere that seems to be a lovely spot to visit, make it your home and become and oyster scraper doesnt sound like something that many would want. There are those who want to totally escape the *rat race*, but not that many of us. Most are people with young families who are making the most of equity from a house sale and setting themselves up in a comfortable standard of living whilst still doing those things they did in the UK. To some extent.

Pretty idea, but unrealistic in fairness? Are you scraping oysters and enjoying the toned down life of the North Shore, or have you got fingers in many pies, waiting for the day that they all bear fruit? ;)

Tangram Apr 13th 2008 9:03 am

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Originally Posted by Ontheboatout (Post 6203293)
Bill should move to NSNS. Definitely dollars for pounds here, except milk and chicken. What's wrong with dreams? Why should you do over here what you did over there?

Oh dear God he's at it again.

Ontheboatout Apr 13th 2008 9:10 am

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Our daughters friend, Kameron,'s Dad, is an Oyster Scaper in the winter and a lobster fisherman in the spring and something else the rest of the time. They have a lovely waterfront house, are a lovely family, nice car, and have an excellent standard of living.

Rich_007 Apr 13th 2008 11:01 am

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Originally Posted by Tangram (Post 6203464)
Oh dear God he's at it again.

My bad. I'm afraid that I probably encouraged his bizarre rantings :mad:

There'll be hell to pay :rofl:

R.

Rich_007 Apr 13th 2008 11:04 am

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Originally Posted by Ontheboatout (Post 6203490)
Our daughters friend, Kameron,'s Dad, is an Oyster Scaper in the winter and a lobster fisherman in the spring and something else the rest of the time. They have a lovely waterfront house, are a lovely family, nice car, and have an excellent standard of living.

Wonderful. They probably sell crack downtown HX or they have multiple grow ops.

Get real; life is not a fairy tale. If anyone falls for this BS, that's their problem. The principles of economics apply, even in the parallel universe that is NSNS.

Sheeat, I thought the "BC Cactus" was good out here, you guys out east must be on mushrooms. Salvia, at a guess.

R.

Ontheboatout Apr 13th 2008 11:08 am

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Just another quiet Sunday on BE....

Caitilin Apr 13th 2008 11:15 am

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soap maker or tree retailer. Or phd student. Or better yet, professor!

Rich_007 Apr 13th 2008 11:20 am

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Originally Posted by Caitilin (Post 6203824)
soap maker or tree retailer. Or phd student. Or better yet, professor!

Professor of underwater basket weaving !

R.

Rich_007 Apr 13th 2008 11:22 am

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Originally Posted by Ontheboatout (Post 6203808)
Just another quiet Sunday on BE....

Give it up...you've been gardening again...

http://www.yellowhominy.com/wp-content/spice3.jpg

destinationnovascotia Apr 13th 2008 11:25 am

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Ontheboatout

You have to admit, your post was somewhat contraversial.

OK, property is cheaper so people may not have a mortgage or will have a smaller one than in the UK. But what about the other things.

Food - you still need to eat, I find fresh produce cheaper (and better quality), but if you are the sort of person who buys alot of processed stuff it will probably cost more. Also if you like wine it is more expensive (even Jost wine).

Power - domestic fuel bills will be about the same. The cost per unit/litre or whatever may be less, but you just need more heat in the winter.

Transport - cars are cheaper, but most people probably want to buy a better model that they had in the UK. Insurance is way more expensive. Fuel is cheaper but cars are thirstier and distances are generally further.

Leisure - lots of free outdoor stuff to do and eating out it cheaper but if you want to fly off to the sun in the winter for a break it will cost double. Many people also find that they want to buy new toys to get the quality of life they moved over for (boats, ski gear, snowmobiles etc).

When you add this up most people would not have anything like the quality of life they are looking for on half the money. I accept that over all you may need less than in the UK if you live in NS, but that is largely to do with lower property prices. I would say that you need to earn a similar amount less what you will save of your mortgage.

So if you pay £600 per month mortgage in the UK and are only going to be paying $200 in NS, you need to earn £500 per month less to maintain your lifestyle (after you initial moving costs). Discuss??

saskia07 Apr 13th 2008 11:26 am

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With all that to consider I'm wondering how I can get me a grow op.....;)

Seems the only way to go...

Sas

Rich_007 Apr 13th 2008 12:49 pm

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Originally Posted by saskia07 (Post 6203850)
With all that to consider I'm wondering how I can get me a grow op.....;)

Seems the only way to go...

All available by mail order. As they say - "everyone's doing it".

:thumbsup:

R.

flashman Apr 13th 2008 12:53 pm

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Escargot herder

JonboyE Apr 13th 2008 12:57 pm

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Originally Posted by saskia07 (Post 6203850)
With all that to consider I'm wondering how I can get me a grow op.....;)

Seems the only way to go...

Sas


A mere 113 stores in BC
.

Rich_007 Apr 13th 2008 1:12 pm

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Originally Posted by JonboyE (Post 6204099)

Sow...and ye shall reap.....

:thumbsup:

R.

Rich_007 Apr 13th 2008 1:12 pm

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Originally Posted by flashman (Post 6204093)
Escargot herder

Cockle picker....? :ohmy:

dbd33 Apr 13th 2008 1:27 pm

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Originally Posted by Ontheboatout (Post 6201653)
There seems to be many people set in the idea they have to do the same job when they get here and for obvious reasons.

Isn't the obvious reason that the immigration permit is issued on the basis of the person bringing a skill to the country - if the immigrant gives up heart surgery for a life cod jiggling he or she is failing in his or her obligations.

When last in Cape Breton we went whale watching on a little boat; we picked that company as they let us take our dog. I was amused to find that the guide was from the Beach area of Toronto, he'd taken up with a Cape Bretoner (one of those people who are the butt of Newfie jokes when told by Newfies) and moved down there. He made a living from tips and from the two weeks a year it takes to fill the lobster quota, mostly he was thrilled to have one of the few year round jobs available in rural areas; bar steward at the Legion.

It seems to me that moving to a rural location is likely to entail poverty, moving to a senic rural location is likely to entail poverty and swarms of rich tourists in the Summer telling one how idyllic rural life is; I wouldn't trade Kilburn for that.

dbd33 Apr 13th 2008 1:31 pm

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Originally Posted by Rich_007 (Post 6204133)
Cockle picker....? :ohmy:


The North Shore has a Morecombe Bay? Perhaps Ontheboatout wants immigrants interested in a career change for a bit of picking because the last lot were inadvertantly submerged.

Ontheboatout Apr 13th 2008 1:40 pm

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The ripple effect.............cast a stone, buy a cucumber.

True, if I came in as a Skilled Worker as a press technician and worked as an oyster shucker I can imagine immigration might be miffed but on the community identified jobby a business helping the community etc.

Desnovsco mentioned Jost - an example, someone could get some land, grow their varietals and sell them the grapes. Banker becomes winer.

saskia07 Apr 13th 2008 1:58 pm

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Originally Posted by Rich_007 (Post 6204086)
All available by mail order. As they say - "everyone's doing it".

:thumbsup:

R.

Got to be the way to go then.;) What do you reckon I should tell the CHC on my application? Horticulture? Medicinal herbology? Alchemist? :unsure:

Sas x

MB-Realtor Apr 13th 2008 1:59 pm

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When you start earning in Can$ and don't have UK Pounds coming in as income, you soon forget about the exchange rate.

At the end of the day economically life is no better in Canada than in the UK, its all about what YOU make of it.

If you like the UK life style and expect it be more affordable in Canada - - NO its not. The life style is NOT like the UK.

If you like pubs, its not happening over here.

If you like popping over to Europe, cool fashions, long holidays & sick pay, thats not happening here either.

If you like the casual humor in the UK, thats not happening here either.

So whats the attraction, for me it is, .... well.... , life is just simpler .... , there is not the bullshit here in quite the same quantities.

People expect more of you, they expect to you to be honest, mostly.

It's very difficult to explain, I just don't get so "UP-TIGHT" here as I do in the UK.

For me that's worth it.

Rich_007 Apr 13th 2008 2:08 pm

Re: Opportunities in High Tea
 

Originally Posted by saskia07 (Post 6204212)
Got to be the way to go then.;) What do you reckon I should tell the CHC on my application? Horticulture? Medicinal herbology? Alchemist? :unsure:

Sas x

Horticulturalist, natch.

Did you know, HA etc pay their horticultuarlists VERY WELL.

They tempt them away from the mainstream by offering better T+C's.

Well, it's just a bunch of plants, eh.

R.

Ontheboatout Apr 13th 2008 2:21 pm

Re: Opportunities in High Tea
 

Originally Posted by destinationnovascotia (Post 6203844)
Ontheboatout

You have to admit, your post was somewhat contraversial.

OK, property is cheaper so people may not have a mortgage or will have a smaller one than in the UK. But what about the other things.

Food - you still need to eat, I find fresh produce cheaper (and better quality), but if you are the sort of person who buys alot of processed stuff it will probably cost more. Also if you like wine it is more expensive (even Jost wine).

Power - domestic fuel bills will be about the same. The cost per unit/litre or whatever may be less, but you just need more heat in the winter.

Transport - cars are cheaper, but most people probably want to buy a better model that they had in the UK. Insurance is way more expensive. Fuel is cheaper but cars are thirstier and distances are generally further.

Leisure - lots of free outdoor stuff to do and eating out it cheaper but if you want to fly off to the sun in the winter for a break it will cost double. Many people also find that they want to buy new toys to get the quality of life they moved over for (boats, ski gear, snowmobiles etc).

When you add this up most people would not have anything like the quality of life they are looking for on half the money. I accept that over all you may need less than in the UK if you live in NS, but that is largely to do with lower property prices. I would say that you need to earn a similar amount less what you will save of your mortgage.

So if you pay £600 per month mortgage in the UK and are only going to be paying $200 in NS, you need to earn £500 per month less to maintain your lifestyle (after you initial moving costs). Discuss??

Me? Write a contoversial post? Why would I do that? Accepted, you are probably right with your assessment but, almost without exception, people arrive with one idea and leave with another. So the point of my post is that there is an alternative to the same if you are able to adjust your lifestyle accordingly.

Yes, mortgage free if you can......why pay rent to a bank when you can pay it to a nice person.

Wine is $9/litre for Jost House red/white from Jost or you can drink it free in their wine tasting bar but guests for dinner aren't impressed. We buy local eggs, honey, meats, fruit when we can and bake our own bread when I can be bothered. Lobster/oysters/shellfish from the wharf. Shreddies from supermarket.

Cars - yes for some reason Brits jump straight into a massive 4x4 before realising they don't need it because this isn't Ice Station Zebra after all, gran can't climb in it, and the seats wont come out to put your new gazebo in. They will be electric within 10 years. Can't say we've found insurance dearer.

True about toys. You can buy before you try with cheap stuff at yard sales - I bought a 14ft Tanzer yacht with mast n rigging n sail for $300, a telescope because I could see the milky way for $10, three pairs of skis in the Firemans auction for $20. Thrift shops are good for chainsaw/chopping wood gear.

Have you any idea what grow-ops do to houses? Makes them so relaxed they fall down.

dbd33 Apr 13th 2008 2:23 pm

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Originally Posted by Ontheboatout (Post 6204177)
Desnovsco mentioned Jost - an example, someone could get some land, grow their varietals and sell them the grapes. Banker becomes winer.

The lawyer who originally incorporated our firm did that, bought a vineyard and went into the wine business, but he had the sense to do it in California; making wine in Canada is like a dog shaking hands.

Rich_007 Apr 13th 2008 2:26 pm

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Originally Posted by Ontheboatout (Post 6204249)
True about toys. You can buy before you try with cheap stuff at yard sales - I bought a 14ft Tanzer yacht with mast n rigging n sail for $300, a telescope because I could see the milky way for $10, three pairs of skis in the Firemans auction for $20. Thrift shops are good for chainsaw/chopping wood gear.

Dude, I can lie in my hot tub and watch satellities orbit the earth above me (non-drug induced). I can see the sun set in the western skies knowing it is lying low over the Pacific. Or sit and watch a dozen shooting stars.

Who has the better life ? Hard to say, really. It's all highly subjective. In your wonderful NSNS life, can you ride bicycles in just t-shirt and shorts and get a base tan ? And have your eyes sore from sunlight ? This very day ? Your life is so different from mine. So, who is right, and who, wrong ?


Originally Posted by Ontheboatout (Post 6204249)
Have you any idea what grow-ops do to houses? Makes them so relaxed they fall down.

Does the same to people. [Allegedly] ;)

R.

Ontheboatout Apr 13th 2008 2:35 pm

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Originally Posted by Rich_007 (Post 6204259)
Dude, I can lie in my hot tub and watch satellities orbit the earth above me (non-drug induced). I can see the sun set in the western skies knowing it is lying low over the Pacific. Or sit and watch a dozen shooting stars.

Who has the better life ? Hard to say, really. It's all highly subjective. In your wonderful NSNS life, can you ride bicycles in just t-shirt and shorts and get a base tan ? And have your eyes sore from sunlight ? This very day ? Your life is so different from mine. So, who is right, and who, wrong ?



Does the same to people. [Allegedly] ;)

R.

A hot-tub? How conventional.

Rich_007 Apr 13th 2008 2:39 pm

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Originally Posted by Ontheboatout (Post 6204279)
A hot-tub? How conventional.

What, do you think I live in an organic hemp bee hive :(

Yet, I notice your lack of response to "the big question".

Lifestyle: we make it - you fake it

R.

dbd33 Apr 13th 2008 2:41 pm

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Originally Posted by Ontheboatout (Post 6204279)
A hot-tub? How conventional.

It is conventional. Yesterday I was having wine and sex in a hot tub with a fit twenty something and I thought "you are such a cliche" but then maybe you just have to accept that conventional ideas of what men want are cliched because they're accurate; the tub is as good as it gets.

Rich_007 Apr 13th 2008 2:47 pm

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Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 6204296)
It is conventional. Yesterday I was having wine and sex in a hot tub with a fit twenty something and I thought "you are such a cliche" but then maybe you just have to accept that conventional ideas of what men want are cliched because they're accurate; the tub is as good as it gets.

Thank you your contribution. :thumbsup::thumbup: Grande yet vaucous as it may be. :)

R.

dbd33 Apr 13th 2008 2:50 pm

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Originally Posted by Rich_007 (Post 6204307)
Thank you your contribution. :thumbsup::thumbup: Grande yet vaucous as it may be. :)

R.

<sparks spliff, wanders towards tub>

Rich_007 Apr 13th 2008 2:52 pm

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Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 6204323)
<sparks spliff, wanders towards tub>

I hope for your sake it's good green :thumbup: I hear the QC product is rad.

R.

Ontheboatout Apr 13th 2008 3:01 pm

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Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 6204296)
It is conventional. Yesterday I was having wine and sex in a hot tub with a fit twenty something and I thought "you are such a cliche" but then maybe you just have to accept that conventional ideas of what men want are cliched because they're accurate; the tub is as good as it gets.

Do you know how long it takes to get sperm out of a hot-tub?


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