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Old Sep 14th 2016 | 12:07 pm
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wow thanks for all your information MarylandNed - seriously helpful. I am due to attend a seminar in Birmingham at the end of October, so hopefully if I take my diploma etc there someone can give me a better idea too. I am more than happy to do more modules for cap points in the UK if necessary but have been nursing for over 20 years, with ongoing training associated with the roles, so hopefully this won't be required. Thanks for your response, it has given me a lot more hope, take care. Also, if I find out anything useful for your wife I will let you know.
UK modules won't help you. A uk education even if you had upgraded to a degree from your Diploma is generally not viewed as equivalent, and you will probably be required to complete additional education in Canada prior to sitting their entrance exams. Not always but until your original education is assessed by NNAS then you won't know what's required. It is only your original education that the CNO are interested in, your previous experience and modules will not add anything to your application and will have no relevance to job hunting. Marylandned is in a efferent position to yourself in that she held a license with the CNO back when it was easier to get registered so it might be easier for her to regain that license. Probably still hoops and courses but a darn site easier than others.
 
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Thanks Scilly - that will be the areas I have to upgrade too, but if I know for certain then I can do it here, as I'm not going until summer 18 - and have contacts within these areas here. I am currently an Addiction nurse, and there are drug liaison midwives I work beside who can organise experience in these fields.
 
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Tirytory, thanks for the reply - albeit seriously negative. Are you meaning that even if I upgrade to a degree using extra study here that it won't matter at all? Then in all seriousness what is the point??
 
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Tirytory, thanks for the reply - albeit seriously negative. Are you meaning that even if I upgrade to a degree using extra study here that it won't matter at all? Then in all seriousness what is the point??
Not negative, just realistic. More UK education won't help, they do not view UK RN's as equivalent to an RN from Ontario so spending time and money won't gain you anything more. They only assess your original education and how much Paeds and midwifery you originally did in your training. General training here includes those specialities. A while ago, it used to be easier and each province has a different set of criteria based on need but they are not short of nurses here. Seniority is key so the person first in line for the job gets it, it is not based on experience or years of practice. You would need to start in a temporary casual position if you could get it and work your way up... That is once you've gone through the registration process.

What's the point? Depends on why you're moving. I'm a RPN here now (think enrolled nurse) but I moved with my husband who is a family physician here. I certainly wouldn't contemplate moving as the sole bread winner.

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Tirytory, thanks for the reply - albeit seriously negative.
I don't think it's negative, just realistic - Tirytory has been going through the process herself for the past 18 months or so (?) and so knows what obstacles there are to overcome. It's certainly not a quick, easy or cheap process, but there's loads of good advice on the forum from nurses that have 'been there, done that' if you have a hunt around. There's a really good long running thread that's full of info, I'll see if I can dig it out.

Good luck.

Edit: found it! Here you go - http://britishexpats.com/forum/canad...-nurse-869345/
 
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Not negative, just realistic. More UK education won't help, they do not view UK RN's as equivalent to an RN from Ontario so spending time and money won't gain you anything more. They only assess your original education and how much Paeds and midwifery you originally did in your training.
Well, according to the CNO website, they do take additional education into account during their assessment of the applicant:

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"Nursing education and standards of nursing competence differ from one country to the next. Even if your nursing program was recognized as one that allowed you to practise as an RN in your home country, there is no guarantee that it will meet the College’s nursing education requirement. Because of this, most RN applicants who completed a nursing program in another country must undergo additional assessment before they can write the registration exam.

This assessment takes into account their initial nursing program, additional nursing education they may have completed, and any nursing practice experience they may have. Applicants who can provide evidence of nursing practice are also assessed [by] an independent body that reports its findings back to the College."

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I have a friend that is doing the Nurse Bridging course, 10 months hard graft, costs about $5500 she tells me plus immunization, books, uniforms, goggles, other stuff...perhaps $8k will be the sum of it all. This is in Alberta though, perhaps Ont does a similar course? She has a BSc in Nursing (Adult). Tells me she will have the option to choose what type of work she fancies post course and will get to see different work environments first hand.

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Well, according to the CNO website, they do take additional education into account during their assessment of the applicant:

Nursing Education

"Nursing education and standards of nursing competence differ from one country to the next. Even if your nursing program was recognized as one that allowed you to practise as an RN in your home country, there is no guarantee that it will meet the College’s nursing education requirement. Because of this, most RN applicants who completed a nursing program in another country must undergo additional assessment before they can write the registration exam.

This assessment takes into account their initial nursing program, additional nursing education they may have completed, and any nursing practice experience they may have. Applicants who can provide evidence of nursing practice are also assessed [by] an independent body that reports its findings back to the College."
But any extra courses don't have any particular value to them. They don't hold the degree as equivalent so what would be the point in completing any extra work at additional cost? As Yorkiechef pointed out you can complete the extra courses in Canada and they will have some value as well as opening doors job wise..
 
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There is a bridging course in York University, I have a feeling it's 18 months long but could be misremembering. I think it's oversubscribed and they only take applicants with the highest marks on their old transcripts. Something to think about anyway..
 
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But any extra courses don't have any particular value to them. They don't hold the degree as equivalent so what would be the point in completing any extra work at additional cost? As Yorkiechef pointed out you can complete the extra courses in Canada and they will have some value as well as opening doors job wise..
It might well be better to take extra courses in Canada but what about nurses who have already taken additional courses outside Canada? Are you saying that these courses are not useful in terms of an educational assessment? That's clearly not what the CNO web site says.
 
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It might well be better to take extra courses in Canada but what about nurses who have already taken additional courses outside Canada? Are you saying that these courses are not useful in terms of an educational assessment? That's clearly not what the CNO web site says.
The bottom line is that the CNO are looking for what you don't have... So for British nurses did your original course have enough theoretical and practical hours in Paediatrics, Midwifery, and Mental Health to compare to the way they educate here. The way nursing education in the UK is structured is that comparable to Canada and province the answer is No. So it doesn't make a difference to the outcome of the assessment if you have an extra module in such and such because most nurses still don't have that basic criteria that they're looking for. But of course NNAS are doing the initial assessment now, and then the CNO are deciding.

Has your wife applied through NNAS yet?
 
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Hi I have an additional query - if I study through Kaplan for the NCLEX and spend practical hours within midwifery/obstetrics etc, before taking the exam will that actually count towards the education?
Thank you in advance
 
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Originally Posted by Tirytory
The bottom line is that the CNO are looking for what you don't have... So for British nurses did your original course have enough theoretical and practical hours in Paediatrics, Midwifery, and Mental Health to compare to the way they educate here. The way nursing education in the UK is structured is that comparable to Canada and province the answer is No. So it doesn't make a difference to the outcome of the assessment if you have an extra module in such and such because most nurses still don't have that basic criteria that they're looking for. But of course NNAS are doing the initial assessment now, and then the CNO are deciding.

Has your wife applied through NNAS yet?
No, she has not applied yet. Our planned move back to Ontario is 3 years away and we're still in the research phase - trying to decide when the process should be initiated as she doesn't want to pay annual membership fees if she doesn't have to. We're thinking of starting the process a year before the move. It's not even that big a deal if the process has not been completed by the time we move as we will be empty nesters by then and will be able to survive on my salary. I work for a large international company with offices in Canada so it'll be very straightforward for me to make the move.
 
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Hi I have an additional query - if I study through Kaplan for the NCLEX and spend practical hours within midwifery/obstetrics etc, before taking the exam will that actually count towards the education?
Thank you in advance
Generally they require clinical and theory hours to be done at the same time and show up on a set of transcripts. Suggest asking the college as really they are the ones with the final say
 


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