Nurse in need of info
Jul 27th 2009 | 9:57 am
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Nurse in need of info
Hi
I am a registered nurse in Ireland with 17 years experience. I have worked as a registered nurse in Germany and was registered in Western Australia and worked there three years ago. Because I am married with a young familly we wanted to go to Canada as permanent residents. Everything seemed like it was going to work out until the Ontario nursing board said I would not meet their criteria to register as a nurse as I had no degree. I completed my training in 1992 in Ireland when there were no degrees in nursing. I have a diploma.
Other people must be in this situation. It seems crazy as part of my job (I work in a training hospital) is to mentor newly qualified nurses. According to the Nursing Board in Ontario these newly qualified nurses are considered eligible whereas I am not. Is this correct or have I been misinformed.
We were also considering BC as a destination, do they insist on degree qualified nurses only as well.
Any info would be great.
I am a registered nurse in Ireland with 17 years experience. I have worked as a registered nurse in Germany and was registered in Western Australia and worked there three years ago. Because I am married with a young familly we wanted to go to Canada as permanent residents. Everything seemed like it was going to work out until the Ontario nursing board said I would not meet their criteria to register as a nurse as I had no degree. I completed my training in 1992 in Ireland when there were no degrees in nursing. I have a diploma.
Other people must be in this situation. It seems crazy as part of my job (I work in a training hospital) is to mentor newly qualified nurses. According to the Nursing Board in Ontario these newly qualified nurses are considered eligible whereas I am not. Is this correct or have I been misinformed.
We were also considering BC as a destination, do they insist on degree qualified nurses only as well.
Any info would be great.
Jul 27th 2009 | 10:03 am
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Re: Nurse in need of info
These are the websites for Colleges of Nursing for both Provinces.
http://www.crnbc.ca/
http://www.cno.org/
http://www.crnbc.ca/
http://www.cno.org/
Jul 27th 2009 | 1:55 pm
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Re: Nurse in need of info
Hi
I am a registered nurse in Ireland with 17 years experience. I have worked as a registered nurse in Germany and was registered in Western Australia and worked there three years ago. Because I am married with a young familly we wanted to go to Canada as permanent residents. Everything seemed like it was going to work out until the Ontario nursing board said I would not meet their criteria to register as a nurse as I had no degree. I completed my training in 1992 in Ireland when there were no degrees in nursing. I have a diploma.
Other people must be in this situation. It seems crazy as part of my job (I work in a training hospital) is to mentor newly qualified nurses. According to the Nursing Board in Ontario these newly qualified nurses are considered eligible whereas I am not. Is this correct or have I been misinformed.
We were also considering BC as a destination, do they insist on degree qualified nurses only as well.
Any info would be great.
I am a registered nurse in Ireland with 17 years experience. I have worked as a registered nurse in Germany and was registered in Western Australia and worked there three years ago. Because I am married with a young familly we wanted to go to Canada as permanent residents. Everything seemed like it was going to work out until the Ontario nursing board said I would not meet their criteria to register as a nurse as I had no degree. I completed my training in 1992 in Ireland when there were no degrees in nursing. I have a diploma.
Other people must be in this situation. It seems crazy as part of my job (I work in a training hospital) is to mentor newly qualified nurses. According to the Nursing Board in Ontario these newly qualified nurses are considered eligible whereas I am not. Is this correct or have I been misinformed.
We were also considering BC as a destination, do they insist on degree qualified nurses only as well.
Any info would be great.
You can work as an RPN in Ontario with a Diploma.
Jul 27th 2009 | 5:27 pm
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Re: Nurse in need of info
Ontario Changed this in about 2004 If i remember correctly. I had applied prior and they accepted mytraining - however I know now the require a degree - I have a degree in Nursing and Health Studies and they wouldnt even accept that it has to be a degree in Nursing.
I understand fully where u are coming from its so annoying - Im just wondering how nurses trained in Canada who dont have the degree get on if the move province to Ontario??
I managed to get into BC with no problems and i know Calgary is also not requiring a degree - yet - though if this is the way forward it may change!!
... Ive also been qualified 15 years - so i really do get where your coming from
I understand fully where u are coming from its so annoying - Im just wondering how nurses trained in Canada who dont have the degree get on if the move province to Ontario??
I managed to get into BC with no problems and i know Calgary is also not requiring a degree - yet - though if this is the way forward it may change!!
... Ive also been qualified 15 years - so i really do get where your coming fromDid they say this in writing or as a telephone response? The reason I ask is that surely they have to evaluate your training, not just your original qualification but all post certification training. The combination of all this might be considered the equivalent. Working RNs who have diplomas do not have to get a degree.
You can work as an RPN in Ontario with a Diploma.
You can work as an RPN in Ontario with a Diploma.
Jul 27th 2009 | 11:42 pm
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Re: Nurse in need of info
I think that Ontario is the only Province which insists on a degree. If you have no plans to do one, then try elsewhere.
If you really want to go to Ontario and plan to get a degree you are more likely to get credit for any continuing eduation you have done in a UK university so it may be quicker than you think to upgrade your education
If you really want to go to Ontario and plan to get a degree you are more likely to get credit for any continuing eduation you have done in a UK university so it may be quicker than you think to upgrade your education
Jul 28th 2009 | 12:14 am
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Re: Nurse in need of info
Here is the relevant section and link from that website
http://www.cno.org/international_en/...u/rn_progs.htm
So, if your post grad learning has covered the subjects then you may be accepted by the ONA.
You will then have to sit the RN exam
http://www.cno.org/international_en/...u/rn_progs.htm
Graduates from Outside of Canada (Never registered in Canada)
Graduates from outside Canada must complete a nursing program that is equivalent to Ontario four-year baccalaureate degree in nursing. Your nursing school must verify and send official student transcripts that show you have successfully completed a nursing program. The transcript must include the hours of theory and clinical practice you completed in each subject area.
Your application package will include a Verification of Course Completion and Transcript Request (B-3) form. Send this form to your nursing school to request your transcript.
The theory component must include:
•natural and social sciences;
•communication;
•nursing across the lifespan;
•physical/health assessment;
•problem solving;
•research;
•legal/ethical/social/political issues;
•health promotion and illness prevention; and
•leadership.
The clinical component of your nursing program must include the provision of nursing care for individuals across the life span in acute care, chronic/long term care and community care practice settings. RN nursing program content must include at least 33 percent nursing theory and at least 50 percent clinical practice.
If your nursing program did not include one of these subject areas, but you have practised as a nurse in that subject area, the College may accept your practice as meeting the education requirement. If you did not practise in the subject area, you will need to complete a course in the subject area at an approved nursing program. If you have taken additional nursing courses in another program or school, please have the school send this information directly to the College
Graduates from outside Canada must complete a nursing program that is equivalent to Ontario four-year baccalaureate degree in nursing. Your nursing school must verify and send official student transcripts that show you have successfully completed a nursing program. The transcript must include the hours of theory and clinical practice you completed in each subject area.
Your application package will include a Verification of Course Completion and Transcript Request (B-3) form. Send this form to your nursing school to request your transcript.
The theory component must include:
•natural and social sciences;
•communication;
•nursing across the lifespan;
•physical/health assessment;
•problem solving;
•research;
•legal/ethical/social/political issues;
•health promotion and illness prevention; and
•leadership.
The clinical component of your nursing program must include the provision of nursing care for individuals across the life span in acute care, chronic/long term care and community care practice settings. RN nursing program content must include at least 33 percent nursing theory and at least 50 percent clinical practice.
If your nursing program did not include one of these subject areas, but you have practised as a nurse in that subject area, the College may accept your practice as meeting the education requirement. If you did not practise in the subject area, you will need to complete a course in the subject area at an approved nursing program. If you have taken additional nursing courses in another program or school, please have the school send this information directly to the College
So, if your post grad learning has covered the subjects then you may be accepted by the ONA.
You will then have to sit the RN exam
Jul 28th 2009 | 9:48 pm
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Re: Nurse in need of info
Hi
I am a registered nurse in Ireland with 17 years experience. I have worked as a registered nurse in Germany and was registered in Western Australia and worked there three years ago. Because I am married with a young familly we wanted to go to Canada as permanent residents. Everything seemed like it was going to work out until the Ontario nursing board said I would not meet their criteria to register as a nurse as I had no degree. I completed my training in 1992 in Ireland when there were no degrees in nursing. I have a diploma.
Other people must be in this situation. It seems crazy as part of my job (I work in a training hospital) is to mentor newly qualified nurses. According to the Nursing Board in Ontario these newly qualified nurses are considered eligible whereas I am not. Is this correct or have I been misinformed.
We were also considering BC as a destination, do they insist on degree qualified nurses only as well.
Any info would be great.
I am a registered nurse in Ireland with 17 years experience. I have worked as a registered nurse in Germany and was registered in Western Australia and worked there three years ago. Because I am married with a young familly we wanted to go to Canada as permanent residents. Everything seemed like it was going to work out until the Ontario nursing board said I would not meet their criteria to register as a nurse as I had no degree. I completed my training in 1992 in Ireland when there were no degrees in nursing. I have a diploma.
Other people must be in this situation. It seems crazy as part of my job (I work in a training hospital) is to mentor newly qualified nurses. According to the Nursing Board in Ontario these newly qualified nurses are considered eligible whereas I am not. Is this correct or have I been misinformed.
We were also considering BC as a destination, do they insist on degree qualified nurses only as well.
Any info would be great.
I trained the traditional way 1987-1990 and dont have a degree but have just had my application with the CRNBC approved. Just need to find a job now!
Jul 29th 2009 | 5:48 am
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Re: Nurse in need of info
Hi,
We are both Diploma RMN graduates (qualified 2003, 2007 respectively). Both registered without issue with CRPNBC. British Columbia currently has no problem with Diploma graduates, i do recall reading somewhere (official stance stuff - can't recall where now though) how they would continue supporting Diploma grads as they recognise the value of experience in field over recently obtained degrees.
In our area of UK nursing curriculum has shifted from Practical time spent on wards to Problem Based Learning (Classroom). Clinical Placement duration has been reduced from 12 weeks to 8 weeks also. This is reflected, in my opinion, in slower student progression. But thats another issue altogether i guess.
We are both Diploma RMN graduates (qualified 2003, 2007 respectively). Both registered without issue with CRPNBC. British Columbia currently has no problem with Diploma graduates, i do recall reading somewhere (official stance stuff - can't recall where now though) how they would continue supporting Diploma grads as they recognise the value of experience in field over recently obtained degrees.
In our area of UK nursing curriculum has shifted from Practical time spent on wards to Problem Based Learning (Classroom). Clinical Placement duration has been reduced from 12 weeks to 8 weeks also
. This is reflected, in my opinion, in slower student progression. But thats another issue altogether i guess.
