http://*********.com/

www. n o t c a n a d a . c o m

A VERY INTERESTING WEBSITE

That link and similar ones have been posted here many times.

The information on those kinds of websites is valid, but less so for British expats (and especially prospective British expats who do prior research).
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I think you are right. yet this website does raise questions....

I remember looking at it a while ago, it's all very negative with everybody getting the blame except the immigrant.

IMO

Last time I looked it was a bitter set of Canadians who couldn't get into medical school in Canada, went abroad to do degrees, and then wondered why they couldn't practise on their return to Canada - as if citizenship somehow equated to quality of training and skills learned

I must admit I met some very highly skilled immigrants whilst living in Toronto who drove Taxi's, worked in Pizza Pizza etc.... I genuinely felt sorry that they were not utilising their skills and training. Immigration has no guarantees for a better life so you really have to make sure you do your research thoroughly and make sure your qualifications are valid. You also have to be sure it is what you really want and know that you will not be handed anything on a plate. You have to be prepared for institutional racism and people sticking to what they know because unfortunately it is the world over and people stick to what they know because it is safe. There have been some good articles on this website both For and Against moving to Canada and really research, hardwork and patience is the key. Make sure you have a back up plan if things do not work out.

Also it is probably best to secure employment before you head out which is the best way to know you have a more secure future. Although everyone stuck in the que with me will know how hard that can be to find!=)

Hi James
Where in Reading are you ? or have you made it to canada already I'm from Caversham Heights well until Friday then off to Vancouver . Got a job with one of the local electrical companies took a total of 9 months good luck chaz

Well I have lived in Toronto for 1 year and 6 months and I have been visiting Toronto each summer for the past 6 years. many of my relatives now live there. I do not think that any British immigrant will face the problems that are listed at the web site.

From my experience such problems occur due to lack of language and Canadian corporate culture. Many of the immigrants arrive from India, China and Eastern Europe and according to my opinion do not speak acceptable English. Hereby I mean the accent and North American work culture. With accent I mean pronunciation.

While I was staying at my cousin*s house, the phone rang. I picked up the phone and it was some marketing guy. His English was SO bad that I could not understand what he was trying to say.

My point is that YES many do not get the jobs they want due to them not being *fit*.

The reason why I have decided NOT to live in Canada is due to the low salary compared to where I am now, and the weather...>)

Caversham Heights is very nice. I was living in Caversham for 2 years. First in Caversham Park Village and then on Briants Avenue nearer Town. I need to update that I live in London now in Clapham. I was in Toronto for a year with BUNAC but now I am in the immigration que for Skilled Worker. It kind off suits as I do love living in London and have only recently moved. Expect to get back to Toronto in 2010. Vancouver is amazing I am very jealous I have been there twice. You are an electrician?

In my opinion the information contained in this website is correct.

Foreign credentials are not recognized in Canada. Not having English as your first language is also a very tremendous handicap.

Normally, the British and the few Americans that migrate to Canada do much better than people from Asia, Africa and Latin America; even caucasians from eastern Europe have a hard time and many of them go back to their Countries once they get Canadian Citizenship.

The actual immigration system is absolutely wrong; Canada needs drivers (trucks, buses, taxis, etc.), contruction and factory workers, etc. but under the current points system those people would not qualify to the skilled worker category. Doctors, nurses and teachers are also much needed but Canadian credentials are required. I think Quebec has a more relaxed system but not sure.

Those who really get the advantage of a better Country are the kids of the immigrants; they speak English as their first language and if they study they have full Canadian credentials and experience.

I agree to some extent. The situation is compounded by two clear conflicts of interest:

a) In some professions the accreditation organization is also the training organization, and they make a good bulk of their income from selling training courses.

b) In some professions the accreditation organization also acts as a union for its members and has a vested interest in keeping their members skills in short supply.

Unfortunately, because of the way things work in Canada, with accreditation done at a provincial level, but immigration controlled federally, this isn't going to change anytime soon. I agree this is to the detriment of the country as well as new immigrants.

The main beef I, and many others, have with this site is not the truthfulness of the information, but that all this is not exactly a secret. Even a modest amount of research by an immigrant (and these are supposed to be educated professional people) would have revealed this. It is not fair for them to complain about Canada when they failed to carry out a reasonable amount of due diligence before they applied to be immigrants.

The language thing is a problem too. However, very few jobs, especially higher paid ones, don't have a requirement for effective communication. If an employer is faced with two applicants of equal ability, except that one can communicate clearly and effectively and the other struggles because they can't speak the language, it is natural that they will employ the communicator.

Lastly, I am less than convinced by immigrants who hang around in Canada just long enough to get citizenship then immediately up sticks and go back to their home country. I can't help thinking there may be other reasons than just difficulty in getting their education recognized.

To be fair, if an immigrant has a qualification from a school in some third-world country that no-one has ever heard of, why would you expect an employer to go to the trouble to verify that it's valid and not something they knocked up in Photoshop and printed out? Unless the employer really wants to hire that person, they're going to take the local or the Western immigrant instead.

Which isn't too surprising in a nation where English is the dominant language; I wouldn't expect to move to China and get a good job dealing with Chinese customers if I didn't speak Chinese. Heck, I wouldn't even expect to get a job driving taxis if I didn't speak Chinese.

Certainly, the whole system has been politicised to buy immigrant votes. The Federal system ships in large numbers of people that Canadian companies don't want to hire; you only have to read some of the posts here by people trying to avoid taking the IELTS test to realise that with their limited language skills they'll be lucky to get a job driving taxis... if they're actually serious about living here rather than passport shopping.

Fortunately the government finally seem to be doing something about that.

If there really is a shortage in those areas people can come over on a work permit and then apply for PR, or get PR through a PNP program once they have a job offer. Personally I suspect there are going to be a lot of unemployed construction workers here in a couple of years.

This is an excellent reply..I wholeheartedly agree with what you are saying...Particularly in relation to how the relevant information regarding regulating bodies for various professions is available on the internet and should not come as a shock and then there are 2 choices..go to Canada and do what is needed for your qualifications to be recognised or don't go..at least don't go expecting to be able to pick up the same job..
That web page makes it look like Canada is dangling a carrot out there trying to entice overqualified individuals into the country and then just letting them have dead end jobs and I do not feel that that is the case..
We have applied for PR via Skilled Worker...and we are under no illusions about what is required to continue working within our professions if that is what we decide to do when we get in to Canada..
I think some thorough research before applying is what is needed..
Although I will say that I do commend the individuals interviewed / appearing in the video clips (the ones I watched at least) who have not just gone on to benefits but have picked up whatever work they could but I do not think they can blame Canada for their situation..they have made the choice themselves to go there...

HI

We are looking to Land in Toronto in August , no job yet , neither of us , however , ceratin aspects i feel are missing from this thread........

1. Work hard , it is packing box's or sweeping floors , or managing a work force of 200, if you are keener and harder than those around , you will rise to the top.

2. I work in food manufacturing so if was to talk about HACCP, CIP , FMCG, anybody int he world that works in food will understand me, and as most of the world now runs with the japanease , gemba, gemba, the talk is the same around the world.

3. I you think you will fail, you will..

I am leaving a very high paid job , my wife a teacher so not bad money , but it is about leaving the island and giving our kids a better life, not talking about a better computer game, bigger house etc , but a place where you are not looking the state of the nation and thinking " this is so wrong".

we and i mean almost all of have spent the last 3/4 years jumping thought hoops to get in to Canada , so there is commitment for you , i would be stupid not to look at the big picture, you just have to be sure of yourself and go for it.

You only get one crack at life , so you can either " dance in the light or cry in the dark " choice is yours .

Gary

Then they should get some excercise and cut down on pizza.

R.