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Old Aug 31st 2008 | 4:21 am
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With the new Occupations Under Pressure list out later this year. Would like to know what types of professions or skills are likely to be on it?
 
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Paging any clairvoyants out there.....
 
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Paging any clairvoyants out there.....
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Occupations Under Pressure list

what's that then?
 
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Wiki it :-)
 
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There is a Wiki article called Occupations under Pressure (OUPs). These OUP lists are relevant to people who want to get into Canada on temporary work permits (TWPs).

But I'm guessing that that was not what the original poster was referring to. I am guessing that the OP was referring to the yet-to-be-published list of occupations in demand (or whatever the government is going to call them) for permanent residence (PR) applications that are submitted via the skilled worker route. To understand the significance of this yet-to-be-published list, read the last half of the Wiki article called Quick Guide to Canadian Immigration.

Be aware, however, that there may be (most likely will be) an election soon. Depending on the results of the election, the current government may or may not get to put its recently enacted election into practice. The next government may repeal it.

But it doesn't matter what the legislation is. For all practical purposes, you need pre-arranged employment if you want to get into Canada this side of the next Ice Age.

My guess is that, even if the new list of occupations in demand was to be published and even if it was to have any relevance with respect to PR applications, it would have at least some similarities with the existing OUP lists that are relevant to TWP applications.
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Originally Posted by Flossie and Jim
Paging any clairvoyants out there.....
Looked up Clair Voyant on Canada 411 couldn't find any, must have an unlisted number.
 
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Looked up Clair Voyant on Canada 411 couldn't find any, must have an unlisted number.
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Originally Posted by Judy in Calgary
There is a Wiki article called Occupations under Pressure (OUPs). These OUP lists are relevant to people who want to get into Canada on temporary work permits (TWPs).

But I'm guessing that that was not what the original poster was referring to. I am guessing that the OP was referring to the yet-to-be-published list of occupations in demand (or whatever the government is going to call them) for permanent residence (PR) applications that are submitted via the skilled worker route. To understand the significance of this yet-to-be-published list, read the last half of the Wiki article called Quick Guide to Canadian Immigration.

Be aware, however, that there may be (most likely will be) an election soon. Depending on the results of the election, the current government may or may not get to put its recently enacted election into practice. The next government may repeal it.

But it doesn't matter what the legislation is. For all practical purposes, you need pre-arranged employment if you want to get into Canada this side of the next Ice Age.

My guess is that, even if the new list of occupations in demand was to be published and even if it was to have any relevance with respect to PR applications, it would have at least some similarities with the existing OUP lists that are relevant to TWP applications.
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Thanks Judy, it would therefore seem that even when the new OUP list is available and even if your profession or skill is on it, it is highly unlikely that this will help you much unless you have pre-arranged employment or your skill is very much in shortage at the particular time your application is reviewed? Looking at the wiki article that you mentioned, it seems that the study route could well be a good way to enter in a reasonable amount of time, by way of PNP or the new CEC? As for getting a job that no Canadian wants this very much seems open to interpretation. For me this means low paid cleaning or other menial jobs that pay the minimum and nobody wants to do this for this reason? Anyway I imagine Canada like most advanced countries has a huge amount of illegal immigrants doing this type of work anyway.
 
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Originally Posted by Jules Europe
Thanks Judy
You're welcome.

it would therefore seem that even when the new OUP list is available and even if your profession or skill is on it, it is highly unlikely that this will help you much unless you have pre-arranged employment or your skill is very much in shortage at the particular time your application is reviewed?
Firstly, I would find it helpful if you would refrain from calling this the new OUP list. The existing OUP list is related to the length of time that a job is required to be advertised across Canada before an employer can get the labour market opinion (LMO) that is a prerequisite for a foreign worker's temporary work permit (TWP). That is, the length of time that the job has to be advertised is reduced from three months to seven days in the case of an occupation that is listed as an OUP in a given province.

There is a Wiki article called Occupations under Pressure that explains this.

If you are referring to the yet-to-be-published list of jobs in demand that will be given priority when people submit permanent residence (PR) applications via the skilled worker route, I believe it would be helpful to call it something else, in order to avoid confusion. I personally think it would be useful to call it the yet-to-be-published list of priority occupations. Including the term yet-to-be-published is cumbersome, but it avoids confusion with the existing OUP lists that are related to TWPs and have nothing directly to do with PR applictions.

I will now repeat your quote, above, because I want to respond directly to your actual observation:

it would therefore seem that even when the new OUP list is available and even if your profession or skill is on it, it is highly unlikely that this will help you much unless you have pre-arranged employment or your skill is very much in shortage at the particular time your application is reviewed?
No, what you have said is not accurate, at least not in theory.

When the Minister of Immigration publishes her list of occupations in demand (if she publishes her list of occupations in demand), there will be some occupations that are deemed to be in such red hot demand that people in those occupations will be accepted without pre-arranged employment (subject to annual quotas that will be created in various occupation categories).

However, there now is a threatened election. If the election is held, which seems likely, the Liberal Party may get into power. If the Liberal Party gets into power, there is a strong possibility that they will repeal the recent immigration legislation that the Conservative Government enacted. Then, poof, the as-yet-unpublished list of occupations in demand will be stopped dead in its tracks. It won't be published and it won't be used as a criterion in the immigrant selection process.

Then a methodology for quickly filtering applications will be lost. We'll be back to the scenario in which the already horrific backlog of PR applications will balloon even further. If an applicant submits a straightforward application that is not backed up by pre-arranged employment, they won't be accepted this side of the next Ice Age.

That is why the prudent thing is to find a way of differentiating yourself from the herd. The most effective way to do that would be to secure pre-arranged employment, but you also could do it with a study permit (initially).

Looking at the wiki article that you mentioned, it seems that the study route could well be a good way to enter in a reasonable amount of time, by way of PNP or the new CEC?
Yes, there are some members of this forum who are in Canada on study permits and who are using this as a way of getting permanent residence, eventually. However, that should not be confused with the Provincial Nominee Programs (PNPs). If you want to understand how the PNPs work, I suggest you read the following Wiki articles:
I am not very familiar with Canadian Experience Class (CEC), but I gather that it will benefit several applicants who initially enter Canada on study permits and who then want to upgrade to PR status. If you have not already read Citizenship and Immigration Canada's web pages on the topic, I suggest you follow the link I gave you, scroll down to the bottom of the screen that you'll be taken to, and then follow the additional links that you'll find there.

Remember that the spouse or common-law partner of a study permit holder is eligible for a spousal open work permit (SOWP). This entitles the spouse or partner to accept any job with any employer in any part of Canada. The prospective employer does not have to advertise the job across Canada before offering it to the SOWP holder.

As for getting a job that no Canadian wants this very much seems open to interpretation. For me this means low paid cleaning or other menial jobs that pay the minimum and nobody wants to do this for this reason? Anyway I imagine Canada like most advanced countries has a huge amount of illegal immigrants doing this type of work anyway.
No, it is not open to interpretation. There are specific rules, and they are related to TWP applications. If the prospective employer wants to apply for an LMO, he/she has to advertise the job across Canada for three months. If the occupation is listed as an OUP in a given province, the required advertising period is reduced to seven days. If the occupation is on the Expedited Labour Market Opinion (E-LMO) list, no advertising at all is required.

It is not true that only menial occupations appear on the OUP lists. There are members of this forum who are degreed engineers, registered nurses, electricians, mechanics, plumbers, carpenters, etc., who have gained entry to Canada by this method.

Another Wiki article that would be helpful for you to read, if you have not already done so, is the one called Fast Track PR Application. It's the one that explains how you can expedite your PR application if you're in Canada, working on a TWP, and if your employer offers you a permanent job.
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[QUOTE=Judy in Calgary;6738350]You're welcome.

Thanks for clarifying these points and the only reason I called it the new OUP list as I didn`t know what else to call it So it is very much a case of waiting to see what unfolds over the next few months with the new ministers list (If it ever comes out with the impending general election there!) Therefore it does seem the only way into Canada as stated on many threads here is through pre-arranged employment, high demand skill, study visa etc? As the majority of skilled worker visa applications will be either be rejected or left in a very long queues.
 
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Originally Posted by Judy in Calgary
There is a Wiki article called Occupations under Pressure (OUPs). These OUP lists are relevant to people who want to get into Canada on temporary work permits (TWPs).
Thanks! Of course the next thread I opened had that link in it

Saw quite a few things on that list that would have been relevant to me, wonder why that Immigration lawyer I spoke to didn't pick up on that? She seemed more concerned with me getting a job as a waitress to get a TWP then have my PR expedited after 9 months (or something, I got confused after a bit)
 
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Originally Posted by Judy in Calgary
You're welcome.

Firstly, I would find it helpful if you would refrain from calling this the new OUP list. The existing OUP list is related to the length of time that a job is required to be advertised across Canada before an employer can get the labour market opinion (LMO) that is a prerequisite for a foreign worker's temporary work permit (TWP). That is, the length of time that the job has to be advertised is reduced from three months to seven days in the case of an occupation that is listed as an OUP in a given province.

There is a Wiki article called Occupations under Pressure that explains this.

If you are referring to the yet-to-be-published list of jobs in demand that will be given priority when people submit permanent residence (PR) applications via the skilled worker route, I believe it would be helpful to call it something else, in order to avoid confusion. I personally think it would be useful to call it the yet-to-be-published list of priority occupations. Including the term yet-to-be-published is cumbersome, but it avoids confusion with the existing OUP lists that are related to TWPs and have nothing directly to do with PR applictions.

I will now repeat your quote, above, because I want to respond directly to your actual observation:


No, what you have said is not accurate, at least not in theory.

When the Minister of Immigration publishes her list of occupations in demand (if she publishes her list of occupations in demand), there will be some occupations that are deemed to be in such red hot demand that people in those occupations will be accepted without pre-arranged employment (subject to annual quotas that will be created in various occupation categories).

However, there now is a threatened election. If the election is held, which seems likely, the Liberal Party may get into power. If the Liberal Party gets into power, there is a strong possibility that they will repeal the recent immigration legislation that the Conservative Government enacted. Then, poof, the as-yet-unpublished list of occupations in demand will be stopped dead in its tracks. It won't be published and it won't be used as a criterion in the immigrant selection process.

Then a methodology for quickly filtering applications will be lost. We'll be back to the scenario in which the already horrific backlog of PR applications will balloon even further. If an applicant submits a straightforward application that is not backed up by pre-arranged employment, they won't be accepted this side of the next Ice Age.

That is why the prudent thing is to find a way of differentiating yourself from the herd. The most effective way to do that would be to secure pre-arranged employment, but you also could do it with a study permit (initially).

Yes, there are some members of this forum who are in Canada on study permits and who are using this as a way of getting permanent residence, eventually. However, that should not be confused with the Provincial Nominee Programs (PNPs). If you want to understand how the PNPs work, I suggest you read the following Wiki articles:
I am not very familiar with Canadian Experience Class (CEC), but I gather that it will benefit several applicants who initially enter Canada on study permits and who then want to upgrade to PR status. If you have not already read Citizenship and Immigration Canada's web pages on the topic, I suggest you follow the link I gave you, scroll down to the bottom of the screen that you'll be taken to, and then follow the additional links that you'll find there.

Remember that the spouse or common-law partner of a study permit holder is eligible for a spousal open work permit (SOWP). This entitles the spouse or partner to accept any job with any employer in any part of Canada. The prospective employer does not have to advertise the job across Canada before offering it to the SOWP holder.

No, it is not open to interpretation. There are specific rules, and they are related to TWP applications. If the prospective employer wants to apply for an LMO, he/she has to advertise the job across Canada for three months. If the occupation is listed as an OUP in a given province, the required advertising period is reduced to seven days. If the occupation is on the Expedited Labour Market Opinion (E-LMO) list, no advertising at all is required.

It is not true that only menial occupations appear on the OUP lists. There are members of this forum who are degreed engineers, registered nurses, electricians, mechanics, plumbers, carpenters, etc., who have gained entry to Canada by this method.

Another Wiki article that would be helpful for you to read, if you have not already done so, is the one called Fast Track PR Application. It's the one that explains how you can expedite your PR application if you're in Canada, working on a TWP, and if your employer offers you a permanent job.
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Judy - this is a brilliant, concise and clear summary of the current situation and descibes it very well indeed...Thanks for posting this all in the one place
Best regards
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Judy - this is a brilliant, concise and clear summary of the current situation and descibes it very well indeed...Thanks for posting this all in the one place
Best regards
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