Moving to Vancouver - family of six
Apr 29th 2016, 8:48 pm
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Re: Moving to Vancouver - family of six
Without joke would you be able to send me a link for the openings via pm?
SO what has happened:
the company sent me an offer without an LMIA (yet), they want me to start asap so they offered me to start working remotely. They had offered 100K. So they wanted me to work from London for Candian salary. I wanted to negotiate not about remote work, but salary and relocation package (which they have not offered at all).
After a half hour phone call and an email with our questions, today I had got a message stating that I'm asking for too much and they withdraw the offer.
I was surprised because we didn't demand things just asked about opportunities and I was accepting them to come back with a list or answer like we can do this and that, but others are not possible.
We are guessing that is a smaller size company and they have got afraid because of the salary/relocation cost, or they are not willing to take on the administration overhead of LMIA paperwork.
Any comment, idea, opinion?
SO what has happened:
the company sent me an offer without an LMIA (yet), they want me to start asap so they offered me to start working remotely. They had offered 100K. So they wanted me to work from London for Candian salary. I wanted to negotiate not about remote work, but salary and relocation package (which they have not offered at all).
After a half hour phone call and an email with our questions, today I had got a message stating that I'm asking for too much and they withdraw the offer.
I was surprised because we didn't demand things just asked about opportunities and I was accepting them to come back with a list or answer like we can do this and that, but others are not possible.
We are guessing that is a smaller size company and they have got afraid because of the salary/relocation cost, or they are not willing to take on the administration overhead of LMIA paperwork.
Any comment, idea, opinion?
If you look on the jobbank website, I think you will be surprised how many vacancies there are for your line of work.
Here's a few I found from a google search (hope I got the designation correct for your work):
https://careers.deloitte.ca/job/Vanc...d&src=JB-16801
http://www.cgi.com/en/careers/working-at-cgi (link broke but look for Immediate Opportunity - Network Security NAC Specialist)
Job posting details.<br/>
https://jobs.bce.ca/job/Ottawa-Manag..._source=Indeed
Cyber Security Canada Jobs | Indeed.com
Best of luck with the (continued) search!
Last edited by Siouxie; Apr 29th 2016 at 8:53 pm.
Apr 29th 2016, 10:45 pm
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Re: Moving to Vancouver - family of six
Without joke would you be able to send me a link for the openings via pm?
SO what has happened:
the company sent me an offer without an LMIA (yet), they want me to start asap so they offered me to start working remotely. They had offered 100K. So they wanted me to work from London for Candian salary. I wanted to negotiate not about remote work, but salary and relocation package (which they have not offered at all).
After a half hour phone call and an email with our questions, today I had got a message stating that I'm asking for too much and they withdraw the offer.
I was surprised because we didn't demand things just asked about opportunities and I was accepting them to come back with a list or answer like we can do this and that, but others are not possible.
We are guessing that is a smaller size company and they have got afraid because of the salary/relocation cost, or they are not willing to take on the administration overhead of LMIA paperwork.
Any comment, idea, opinion?
SO what has happened:
the company sent me an offer without an LMIA (yet), they want me to start asap so they offered me to start working remotely. They had offered 100K. So they wanted me to work from London for Candian salary. I wanted to negotiate not about remote work, but salary and relocation package (which they have not offered at all).
After a half hour phone call and an email with our questions, today I had got a message stating that I'm asking for too much and they withdraw the offer.
I was surprised because we didn't demand things just asked about opportunities and I was accepting them to come back with a list or answer like we can do this and that, but others are not possible.
We are guessing that is a smaller size company and they have got afraid because of the salary/relocation cost, or they are not willing to take on the administration overhead of LMIA paperwork.
Any comment, idea, opinion?
My company is not looking for security engineers, just system and software development engineers and managers. The links that Siouxie gave would be a good start. Also check indeed.ca, monster.ca and Craigslist for jobs (Craigslist is surprisingly good for finding jobs).
Apr 29th 2016, 10:52 pm
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Re: Moving to Vancouver - family of six
Lots of employers say they are interested in doing LMIAs ... until it actually comes to doing so.
You might have ended up accepting the job on Canadian wages, working remotely and never ending up actually in Canada.
I don't know your industry at all, but from what others have said, it sounds like you stand a good chance of doing better than what you've been offered so far.
S
You might have ended up accepting the job on Canadian wages, working remotely and never ending up actually in Canada.
I don't know your industry at all, but from what others have said, it sounds like you stand a good chance of doing better than what you've been offered so far.
S
Apr 29th 2016, 11:22 pm
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Re: Moving to Vancouver - family of six
Could I suggest - in the meantime - if you are serious about wishing to move to Canada on a more permanent basis, get an application in for Express Entry. It may take a while longer but I suspect that your points will be such that you won't wait too long in the pool
Apr 30th 2016, 2:27 am
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Re: Moving to Vancouver - family of six
Thanks, but our goal to get there asap. For me EE is difficult, I had never finished college, so my highest degree is a secondary diploma. REagrdless of internationally recognized industry standard certifications and 13 years of pure it security experience, and fluent english knowledge I'm at the same score almost as an unskilled worker. the ony way for me is to get an offer,
Apr 30th 2016, 3:12 am
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Re: Moving to Vancouver - family of six
Thanks, but our goal to get there asap. For me EE is difficult, I had never finished college, so my highest degree is a secondary diploma. REagrdless of internationally recognized industry standard certifications and 13 years of pure it security experience, and fluent english knowledge I'm at the same score almost as an unskilled worker. the ony way for me is to get an offer,
Apr 30th 2016, 3:22 am
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Apr 30th 2016, 3:31 am
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Re: Moving to Vancouver - family of six
I was thinking of Ottawa, due to the security mania in firms dealing with the government. As far as the far north goes, I'd have none of it. I also think that in Ottawa people are used to dealing with people who have English as a second language and are from a variety of places so the OPs non-colloquial syntax might be less of a problem than in a more bicultural location.
Apr 30th 2016, 3:50 am
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You have little to no knowledge of the local market and I do having worked in it, interviewed in it (both sides) and having a number of colleagues who hold similar positions. 100k for a certified security engineer with 10+ years of experience is not market value, it's at least 25k below it, probably more.
Apr 30th 2016, 1:17 pm
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You have little to no knowledge of the local market and I do having worked in it, interviewed in it (both sides) and having a number of colleagues who hold similar positions. 100k for a certified security engineer with 10+ years of experience is not market value, it's at least 25k below it, probably more.
It may be that you know people who have told you they make that money but I suggest that the OP cannot. I think he had a shot at a well paid, in my estimation, position but now that ship has sailed he should look elsewhere. But then I'm a settler, I know I could get another $10/hr but I don't rock the boat, I like continuity, others have a greater propensity for risk, especially those without children or similar responsibilities. Maybe he's a risk taker and will move to Vancouver without a job and wait for the $125,000 one, I'd have taken the hundred grand one.
Apr 30th 2016, 2:14 pm
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Re: Moving to Vancouver - family of six
Honestly, what made us afraid is the interim period to work from London on the Canadian wages, which would probably cover only our rent / month. I'm a contractor so taking a perm Canadian salary in London would reduce our income by 50%.
We had asked for relocation because previously we had received an offer within Europe with it. Originally we planned that we need to finance everything, but asking shouldn't hurt, we thought.
The weird thing for us that they run away without any negotiation. Anyway, we keep trying and f we have to go to Ontario or Alberta we would go.
We had asked for relocation because previously we had received an offer within Europe with it. Originally we planned that we need to finance everything, but asking shouldn't hurt, we thought.
The weird thing for us that they run away without any negotiation. Anyway, we keep trying and f we have to go to Ontario or Alberta we would go.
Apr 30th 2016, 2:41 pm
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Generally people who move from London take the financial hit because, in Canada, property is cheap allowing more money for other stuff. That doesn't really apply to Vancouver and it's a career backwater so I'm a bit puzzled at the whole thing. Why are you even considering this move?
Apr 30th 2016, 2:56 pm
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Generally people who move from London take the financial hit because, in Canada, property is cheap allowing more money for other stuff. That doesn't really apply to Vancouver and it's a career backwater so I'm a bit puzzled at the whole thing. Why are you even considering this move?
Apr 30th 2016, 3:03 pm
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You will have learnt lots from what has just happened.
From what you describe, you could have ended up working remotely and never actually getting to relocate.
Do your research, investigate other opportunities. I think you'll eventually find something better, either in Vancouver or elsewhere.
S
From what you describe, you could have ended up working remotely and never actually getting to relocate.
Do your research, investigate other opportunities. I think you'll eventually find something better, either in Vancouver or elsewhere.
S
Apr 30th 2016, 4:15 pm
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Re: Moving to Vancouver - family of six
From my limited experience, for people who do something in IT that requires some skill and experience, earnings north of $120k are quite common. At least among those that use an accountant to prepare their tax returns. That said, you would usually expect to take a bit of a discount as a newcomer.
Asking the OP to work in London at a Canadian rate is taking the ****.
Asking the OP to work in London at a Canadian rate is taking the ****.