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Re: "Moving here for the kids"
Originally Posted by Pizzawheel
(Post 11600300)
I've just read the CTV article about the public sector being so much better. Another strike against growing up in Canada- if you end up in a spoon fed public sector job and the economy does go bang, you're going to find it much harder to head out and find something else.
But now I'm sounding like a total Thatcherite. OMG. |
Re: "Moving here for the kids"
Poutine Missiles Ahead!
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Re: "Moving here for the kids"
Originally Posted by Pizzawheel
(Post 11600300)
now I'm sounding like a total Thatcherite. OMG.
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Re: "Moving here for the kids"
Co-op courses help with the financing (assuming its a paid co-op). My eldest is on such a course studying accounting. He worked 4 months last summer at his company, 4 months this year, I think 8 months next year. He is getting experience in his chosen field, the time he works can be credited against the requirements for his professional designation once he gets his degree and he gets paid a significant amount which helps considerably with the cost.
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Re: "Moving here for the kids"
These Coop programmes produce the best graduates as well, as they come out much more "work ready" than standard grads, given the highly academic non-vocational nature of Canadian degrees. I'm thinking waterloo in particular.
Originally Posted by HGerchikov
(Post 11600608)
Co-op courses help with the financing (assuming its a paid co-op). My eldest is on such a course studying accounting. He worked 4 months last summer at his company, 4 months this year, I think 8 months next year. He is getting experience in his chosen field, the time he works can be credited against the requirements for his professional designation once he gets his degree and he gets paid a significant amount which helps considerably with the cost.
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Re: "Moving here for the kids"
Originally Posted by Pizzawheel
(Post 11601069)
These Coop programmes produce the best graduates as well, as they come out much more "work ready" than standard grads, given the highly academic non-vocational nature of Canadian degrees. I'm thinking waterloo in particular.
Most other universities will allow you to do a co-op semester if you manage to find a placement - one girl in my program did it, even though my program otherwise did not normally "offer" co-op opportunities, more just standard summer jobs, but she had an opportunity to do a 12-month one so she spoke to the school admin and got it all sorted out to do it. |
Re: "Moving here for the kids"
Originally Posted by Oink
(Post 11597230)
When you ration education like that, the working class end up paying for the middle and upper middle classes to attend HE and thus the middle classes maintain their privilege. The middle classes have far more cultural capital and means to navigate and take advantage of the system tot he exclusion of working class or lower socio-economic students. The best solution, is for an open market of tuition fees, scholarships and means-tested loans and grants, coupled with a government subsidy in block grants to institutions that accommodate working class students. The system will still be unequal in status but there will be access for all students who wish to attend some form of HE.
The more interesting question is that raised by MarkG - whether the majority of jobs in 20 years' time will require they type of education that had been commonplace thus far (lawyering and vetting excepted - of course). |
Re: "Moving here for the kids"
Originally Posted by Pizzawheel
(Post 11601069)
These Coop programmes produce the best graduates as well, as they come out much more "work ready" than standard grads, given the highly academic non-vocational nature of Canadian degrees. I'm thinking waterloo in particular.
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Re: "Moving here for the kids"
Originally Posted by dbd33
(Post 11596702)
I think student loans are a criminal idea. They distort education by causing students to choose courses they can afford or colleges that offer sports scholarships |
Re: "Moving here for the kids"
Originally Posted by MarkG
(Post 11596711)
Seems to me that the university bubble is on the verge of bursting, anyway. Too many kids borrowing $200k for a 'Tarantino Movie Studies' degree who then find themselves living in their parents' basement, hoping to find a job flinging coffee in Starbucks.
What degree in Canada costs $200K? In the US maybe, but not in Canada. |
Re: "Moving here for the kids"
Originally Posted by Oink
(Post 11596986)
But she lives here plus, I've worked with a lot of Kiwi faculty and mostly their work is along the lines of UK thinking and is lightyears ahead of the dull stuff coming out of Canadian institutions. Mainly because any Canadian who shows the slightest promise is picked up by a US university or college.
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Re: "Moving here for the kids"
Originally Posted by SchnookoLoly
(Post 11601108)
Laurier I believe is also known for its co-op program. Unless I am mis-remembering that. But I'm pretty sure it's Laurier.
Laurier doesn't have an extensive co-op program, and it certainly isn't anywhere near as good as Waterloo's (which is the largest in the world). I did my B.A. at Waterloo and my Master's at Laurier so am familiar with both schools. |
Re: "Moving here for the kids"
Originally Posted by colchar
(Post 11601306)
Laurier doesn't have an extensive co-op program, and it certainly isn't anywhere near as good as Waterloo's (which is the largest in the world). I did my B.A. at Waterloo and my Master's at Laurier so am familiar with both schools.
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Re: "Moving here for the kids"
Originally Posted by colchar
(Post 11601296)
What are you going on about? Student loans are geared to the tuition a student pays so they do not cause someone to choose a course they can afford? And what do sports scholarships have to do with anything, especially when Canadian schools cannot offer sports scholarships in the same way that US schools do?
I could have phrased my post better but my point is that, if someone has to borrow $100,000 to finish school, they are more likely to take something saleable, something that will refund the payments, "a course they can afford", than the one to which they are most academically suited. Thus we get electrical engineers and not historians; society wants engineers, it doesn't want historians. Of course, to a Thatcherite, this is good but it's not learning for its own sake which, to me, is the point of education. |
Re: "Moving here for the kids"
Originally Posted by colchar
(Post 11601306)
I did my B.A. at Waterloo and my Master's at Laurier so am familiar with both schools.
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