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[QUOTE=scotdownunder;11612723][QUOTE=Eddmac;11612121]be in early, go home late, Scott - how many companies have you worked at where you witnessed this attitude from the management? Is this what they told you, or just your assumption based on lack of knowledge?

As a current manager (and I have been a manager in more than one company) I know how much work is being done by each of my staff, as I have many ways of measuring them. I admit that I work in a technical field (engineering) and it may be easier to evaluate than in some of the jobs mentioned earlier in this thread, but when a guy/gal is coming in earlier/staying later and, crucially, getting more work done, I know about it, appreciate it and reward it.

I would never assume that a person coming in early/staying late is bad at time management and slower than everyone else, just because they are putting in more hours. Sure I would check what they are doing - then it would be obvious this guy/gal is a star and not a moron, which is what you are implying and that's one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard.

Re: "Moving here for the kids"
 

[QUOTE=Eddmac;11612757][QUOTE=scotdownunder;11612723]Wow, that's rather a condescending tone to take don't you think? :blink:


I have worked in a few companies, including large multinationals where that has been the case.

I have also worked in management positions where the managers above me have not cared who does what as long as targets get met.

(And can I just clarify I am not talking about exceptional circumstances where the workload has been increased or a special project has been taken on and everyone is expected to pitch in. I am talking about the person who is always in early leaving late when nobody else is. )

In an ideal world hard work is recognised and rewarded but this is not an ideal world.

(BTW talking about lack of knowledge and assumptions my name is not Scott - a)I'm female (as you can see by that little Venus symbol beside my username) and b) my username is scotdownunder )

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You mean James & I were the only two attendees to have debilitating, 3 -month hangovers?

You guys are hardcore.

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[QUOTE=scotdownunder;11612780][QUOTE=Eddmac;11612757]Apologies for upsetting you - wasn't intending to be condescending, I'm looking at this on my phone, so can't see all the symbols and didn't realise there was only one 'T' and you were a 'bonny lass' and not a 'surfer dude' etc so no need to get so upset eh?

I was genuinely interested in the answer to the question, as lots of people comment on things where they have no knowledge/experience but are basing their response on supposition. If you say you have experienced this attitude, then that's really unfortunate for you, or maybe I have been really fortunate that I have worked in companies where the management are interested in doing a good job, rather than simply putting their time in. At least you seem to have had the sense to move on and I hope your current employer has a better attitude?

I feel that there is always an opportunity for someone to shine - this means going above and beyond what would normally be expected by a person in a certain position. This can take many different forms, the emphasis shouldn't be on the specific I mentioned (extra hours) but the fact that it is more than would be expected from someone in that position.

As you are a manager - what would you look for in your star people? how would you reward them? - do you even care? How do you keep your staff motivated and performing above the average?

The whole point here is that people were asking how to better themselves and the only answer given was to get a degree and that if you don't have one, don't even bother. I am trying, based on my experience to give alternatives, think I'm going to give up now lol

While I appreciate that it won't work for everyone, or for every scenario, if it helps even one person better themselves, I will be happy and I'm not going to apologise for disagreeing with the consensus. Maybe you should be more worried about giving good advice and helping, rather than being annoyed that I thought you were a bloke. ;)

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[QUOTE=Eddmac;11612812][QUOTE=scotdownunder;11612780]Phew.

This lack of brain power thing you spoke of is spreading across threads now :p

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[QUOTE=Eddmac;11612812][QUOTE=scotdownunder;11612780]I'm not upset, I do however think it is peculiar to immediately respond to a view that does not 100% agree with yours by making such sweeping statements about assumptions based on lack of knowledge and branding them one of the most ridiculous things you've ever heard.
Is that how you respond to your employees when they disagree with you?

Not annoyed by you thinking I'm a bloke either - just couldn't help but point out the incredible irony of you immediately making incorrect assumptions yourself - even when the information is there to contradict them. (and being a bonny lass and a surfer-dude (does anybody even use that phrase anymore ) are by no means mutually exclusive ;))


I was commenting on the specific you gave because that was the one there - couldn't comment on any other strategies you had in your head at the time of writing your comment.

My current job requires me to work/be on call round the clock with no possibility of promotion and no actual pay. Employer appreciates me though. Very happy thankyou. Best job in the world :wub: ;)

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What's with all the
[QUOTE=Eddmac;11612757][QUOTE=scotdownunder;11612723] everywhere?

:lol:

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It's called 'cocking up the quotes'...also known as 'Willmorising'...because she was always cocking up the quotes.

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Oops, sorry I've never had that happen before they looked ok on my phone/the post preview :o

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Or you can just go to work on time and do a good job while you are there. Then leave on time to go home to family or out with friends, both perhaps. Msybe enjoy a hobby. Have a well rounded life and hopefully your boss isn't a tosspot who has a method of measuring how much work you do and when you do it.

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Yeah spreadsheet managers are usually pretty useless at pitching in and helping the team.

Perhaps if EddMac got of his excel and pitched in he wouldn't require his staff to start early and finish late.

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Yes.

I've got 8 hours to do 2 hours of work, easy to measure my performance, if its not done, the hotel can't do any transactions since it will still be on the previous business day...:rofl:

My job exists for 2 reasons, a hotel needs somebody there to watch the place overnight, and to do some basic account balancing, and to print a few reports so the accountants have an easier job.

I am not an accountant, so I am not about to take it upon myself to try and do the accountants work which is essentially the only extra work, I could possibly do. I can audit the reports to ensure they are accurate, but I certainly cannot do whatever it is accountants do with all the numbers and reports.

It is completely impossible in my line of work to possibly do any of things suggested, well I could stay late and come in early, but there would be no work, and the manager wouldn't be happy to see me there.

My last job, I worked alone (boss was 100km away in Vancouver) and my job was to drive around 3 parking lots for 10 hours, and write a ticket if a car say didn't pay for parking, there was no extra work to do, or any ability to stay late or come in early, what point would there be to stay late, there would be no work to do that would benefit the company.

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It all seems rather workhouselike to me. This talk of 0people "bettering themselves" , working extra unpaid hours to impress the ever-watching boss. I hope they don't have to stand and turn the images of the ledger.

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You ever thought about working in a pub?

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Have you actually thought to doing accountancy degree? Your work would seem to give the perfect opportunity to study. I worked as a security guard for awhile as an undergraduate and it was great as I got all my reading in on my shift. :thumbup::thumbup: