Moving the family to Canada?
Hi everyone,
Me and my husband have two young children and have been considering a move to Canada once we are both finished qualifying in our fields next summer. He has discussed both Canada and Australia with his mentor and we are doing some research now. Just before anyone mentions it, we've heard all of the "why do you want to move to Canada" questions and all of the "same sh*t different bucket" responses as to why we do not want to live in the UK any longer and although many people will say Canada is no better than the UK, I'm not sure they can be certain about that. The UK government, the weather, the lack of opportunities for both us and our children for the future...etc etc the list goes on. The UK is ridiculously small and with that restricted size, obviously, comes restricted opportunities. The UK does not benefit hard working people as much as many other countries do, comparable wages are terribly low and welfare is a vicious circle. We really don't see a good future for us in the UK. We might be wrong but we would rather not have the regret of never trying something different. The only issue is our fields of work..or my field of work. I am due to qualify at degree level next summer but my degree is in criminal investigation and intelligence. I would love to work in my field but I am aware that for almost all countries the law enforcement workers MUST be citizens of that country in order to work in those positions, I am guessing Canada is no different despite being in the commonwealth?? Would this cause problems for me gaining employment over there? My husband, on the other hand, is currently training as a renewable energy engineer and so a visa would probably be more likely to go his way than mine would you say? He is Looking into large energy companies as well at the moment with regard to job opportunities. We don't have family in canada but someone my husband knew a long time ago moved over to work (in recruitment?) and said it was the best decision he ever made.... I guess any info at this stage from anyone who has been in our position would be so really appreciated :-) Thanks everyone:) |
Re: Moving the family to Canada?
Originally Posted by Elaine77
(Post 10730511)
Hi everyone,
Me and my husband have two young children and have been considering a move to Canada once we are both finished qualifying in our fields next summer. He has discussed both Canada and Australia with his mentor and we are doing some research now. Just before anyone mentions it, we've heard all of the "why do you want to move to Canada" questions and all of the "same sh*t different bucket" responses as to why we do not want to live in the UK any longer and although many people will say Canada is no better than the UK, I'm not sure they can be certain about that. The UK government, the weather, the lack of opportunities for both us and our children for the future...etc etc the list goes on. The UK is ridiculously small and with that restricted size, obviously, comes restricted opportunities. The UK does not benefit hard working people as much as many other countries do, comparable wages are terribly low and welfare is a vicious circle. We really don't see a good future for us in the UK. We might be wrong but we would rather not have the regret of never trying something different. The only issue is our fields of work..or my field of work. I am due to qualify at degree level next summer but my degree is in criminal investigation and intelligence. I would love to work in my field but I am aware that for almost all countries the law enforcement workers MUST be citizens of that country in order to work in those positions, I am guessing Canada is no different despite being in the commonwealth?? Would this cause problems for me gaining employment over there? My husband, on the other hand, is currently training as a renewable energy engineer and so a visa would probably be more likely to go his way than mine would you say? He is Looking into large energy companies as well at the moment with regard to job opportunities. We don't have family in canada but someone my husband knew a long time ago moved over to work (in recruitment?) and said it was the best decision he ever made.... I guess any info at this stage from anyone who has been in our position would be so really appreciated :-) Thanks everyone:) |
Re: Moving the family to Canada?
Originally Posted by Elaine77
(Post 10730511)
Hi everyone,
Me and my husband have two young children and have been considering a move to Canada once we are both finished qualifying in our fields next summer. He has discussed both Canada and Australia with his mentor and we are doing some research now. Just before anyone mentions it, we've heard all of the "why do you want to move to Canada" questions and all of the "same sh*t different bucket" responses as to why we do not want to live in the UK any longer and although many people will say Canada is no better than the UK, I'm not sure they can be certain about that. The UK government, the weather, the lack of opportunities for both us and our children for the future...etc etc the list goes on. The UK is ridiculously small and with that restricted size, obviously, comes restricted opportunities. The UK does not benefit hard working people as much as many other countries do, comparable wages are terribly low and welfare is a vicious circle. We really don't see a good future for us in the UK. We might be wrong but we would rather not have the regret of never trying something different. I guess any info at this stage from anyone who has been in our position would be so really appreciated :-) Thanks everyone:) |
Re: Moving the family to Canada?
You need to check if your jobs qualify on the NOC list; http://www5.hrsdc.gc.ca/NOC/English/...1/Welcome.aspx
Also check here; http://www.cic.gc.ca/lctvac/english/PA0002 |
Re: Moving the family to Canada?
Originally Posted by Cepheus
(Post 10730694)
You need to check if your jobs qualify on the NOC list; http://www5.hrsdc.gc.ca/NOC/English/...1/Welcome.aspx
Also check here; http://www.cic.gc.ca/lctvac/english/PA0002 And the second one is for settlement i.e. those who already have visas. |
Re: Moving the family to Canada?
Hi, and welcome back. So you've decided on Canada rather than Oz?
Originally Posted by Elaine77
(Post 10730511)
although many people will say Canada is no better than the UK, I'm not sure they can be certain about that.
Originally Posted by Elaine77
(Post 10730511)
My husband, on the other hand, is currently training as a renewable energy engineer and so a visa would probably be more likely to go his way than mine would you say? He is Looking into large energy companies as well at the moment with regard to job opportunities.
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Yes and therein lies the exact problem. The country is crippled. It has far too many people and not enough opportunities or resources to compensate for it. Jobs (or should I say careers? Both?), public services, affordable housing... There's a huge lack of it all. You've lived in both....so are you in the UK now then since its so good? If you have lived in both then where you currently reside speaks volumes.....
We believe we have a lot to offer a country as we are educated/skilled and are willing to work hard...we just do not think it will be as appreciated or as rewarding to remain in the UK at this moment in time... We are still looking at both but Canada would likely be the first choice. And I agree and I appreciate their opinions but the majority of them seem to suggest that leaving the UK is not a good idea...yet they have not returned? And so in a way it seems hypocritical. A lot of people who post asking about emigrating to another country seem to get a lot of negative comments dissuading them from doing so and it just doesn't seem very supportive. If they are not happy where they are then surely not making a change to see if it improves their life will be more regrettable in the long run than making a change and deciding its not for them? |
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Originally Posted by christmasoompa
(Post 10730700)
Not sure those are the right links somehow! The first one is just to the HRSDC page for all NOC codes, i.e. thousands of them - did you mean to give 'the list' of jobs eligible for FSW?
And the second one is for settlement i.e. those who already have visas. |
Re: Moving the family to Canada?
Originally Posted by Elaine77
(Post 10730732)
Yes and therein lies the exact problem. The country is crippled. It has far too many people and not enough opportunities or resources to compensate for it. Jobs (or should I say careers? Both?), public services, affordable housing... There's a huge lack of it all. You've lived in both....so are you in the UK now then since its so good? If you have lived in both then where you currently reside speaks volumes.....
We believe we have a lot to offer a country as we are educated/skilled and are willing to work hard...we just do not think it will be as appreciated or as rewarding to remain in the UK at this moment in time... We are still looking at both but Canada would likely be the first choice. And I agree and I appreciate their opinions but the majority of them seem to suggest that leaving the UK is not a good idea...yet they have not returned? And so in a way it seems hypocritical. A lot of people who post asking about emigrating to another country seem to get a lot of negative comments dissuading them from doing so and it just doesn't seem very supportive. If they are not happy where they are then surely not making a change to see if it improves their life will be more regrettable in the long run than making a change and deciding its not for them? |
Re: Moving the family to Canada?
Originally Posted by Elaine77
(Post 10730732)
Yes and therein lies the exact problem. The country is crippled. It has far too many people and not enough opportunities or resources to compensate for it. Jobs (or should I say careers? Both?), public services, affordable housing... There's a huge lack of it all. You've lived in both....so are you in the UK now then since its so good? If you have lived in both then where you currently reside speaks volumes.....
Originally Posted by Elaine77
(Post 10730732)
We are still looking at both but Canada would likely be the first choice. And I agree and I appreciate their opinions but the majority of them seem to suggest that leaving the UK is not a good idea...yet they have not returned? And so in a way it seems hypocritical.
Originally Posted by Elaine77
(Post 10730732)
A lot of people who post asking about emigrating to another country seem to get a lot of negative comments dissuading them from doing so and it just doesn't seem very supportive. If they are not happy where they are then surely not making a change to see if it improves their life will be more regrettable in the long run than making a change and deciding its not for them?
Nobody is trying to tell you not to move, if people are negative it's only because they're trying to point out that not all problems are resolved by a move abroad, and often new ones are created. Best of luck with whichever country you decide to move to. |
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Originally Posted by Oink
(Post 10730777)
With way things are going right now its not moment too soon to get away. If they won’t appreciate your hard work and talents then go somewhere that will. Don‘t listen the negative, naysaying hypocrisy, you just need an chance and space to express it. Go somewhere the government won’t try and keep you down while giving your birthrights away to other people who don’t even want it. Take a risk, grasp the nettle before its too late and the cynicism becomes stifling. You’re not asking for handouts, I can tell you’re the type of people who just need an opportunity.
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Originally Posted by christmasoompa
(Post 10730807)
:lol: Oink, not fair on the newbie. Not everybody knows your particular brand of sarcasm. ;)
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Originally Posted by Oink
(Post 10730835)
Hmm, maybe it was the tone? :unsure: But how do you account for the government?
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And cheeky monkey....? Are they back in the Uk too? I personally think it doesn't matter whether its push or pull its about happiness but i also think that if ur not happy and are considering making a change (push) that makes sense more than being happy but having a "pull" like the "grass might be greener". If its not broke don't fix it right?
Moving to another part of the UK wouldn't change the overpopulation, the government, the lack of pretty much everything good and all opportunities. I don't actually have a problem with my part of the UK, just the UK as a whole. The wage over here for both of our fields is about two thirds less than other countries looking at comparable stuff online. My husband covers everything engineering-wise in his qualifications including fabrication, welding, materials, consulting etc... It's just that they also have a specialist focus upon renewables, mostly wind power with this being the UK but obviously he is interested in other sources of renewable energy such as solar and hydro though there is not as much focus on that here (maybe if there were such a thing as rain power that would be different!) It sounds ridiculous as well but I'm really starting to get down about the weather...there are no seasons anymore just constant wind rain and chilly temperatures and my children are getting so down about not being able to enjoy themselves outdoors because of it.....the seems to be no light at the end of the tunnel here, no matter what city we would be in... And what do you mean sarcasm? The whole post was a pisstake or something? |
Re: Moving the family to Canada?
Originally Posted by Elaine77
(Post 10730851)
And cheeky monkey....? Are they back in the Uk too? I personally think it doesn't matter whether its push or pull its about happiness but i also think that if ur not happy and are considering making a change (push) that makes sense more than being happy but having a "pull" like the "grass might be greener". If its not broke don't fix it right?
Moving to another part of the UK wouldn't change the overpopulation, the government, the lack of pretty much everything good and all opportunities. I don't actually have a problem with my part of the UK, just the UK as a whole. The wage over here for both of our fields is about two thirds less than other countries looking at comparable stuff online. My husband covers everything engineering-wise in his qualifications including fabrication, welding, materials, consulting etc... It's just that they also have a specialist focus upon renewables, mostly wind power with this being the UK but obviously he is interested in other sources of renewable energy such as solar and hydro though there is not as much focus on that here (maybe if there were such a thing as rain power that would be different!) It sounds ridiculous as well but I'm really starting to get down about the weather...there are no seasons anymore just constant wind rain and chilly temperatures and my children are getting so down about not being able to enjoy themselves outdoors because of it.....the seems to be no light at the end of the tunnel here, no matter what city we would be in... And what do you mean sarcasm? The whole post was a pisstake or something? |
Re: Moving the family to Canada?
Originally Posted by Elaine77
(Post 10730732)
Yes and therein lies the exact problem. The country is crippled. It has far too many people and not enough opportunities or resources to compensate for it. Jobs (or should I say careers? Both?), public services, affordable housing... There's a huge lack of it all. You've lived in both....so are you in the UK now then since its so good? If you have lived in both then where you currently reside speaks volumes.....
We believe we have a lot to offer a country as we are educated/skilled and are willing to work hard...we just do not think it will be as appreciated or as rewarding to remain in the UK at this moment in time... As for working hard and opportunity, unfortunately you may have an unpleasant surprise initially. Unless you have a lot of experience and unique skill set, finding work may not be as easy as you expect. Here it is very much who you know and networking is a big part of getting work. You may find you are not as 'appreciated' here as employees as you feel you deserve. This is a throw away employment society, from an employee and employer perspective, something many expats have a tough time adjusting to. I had several job offers before moving here, the work was no different to what I did in the UK, the office was identical on the inside, the only difference was the pay cheque in CDN$ and the outside of the office was painted a different colour. |
Re: Moving the family to Canada?
Originally Posted by Elaine77
(Post 10730851)
The wage over here for both of our fields is about two thirds less than other countries looking at comparable stuff online.
Originally Posted by Elaine77
(Post 10730851)
My husband covers everything engineering-wise in his qualifications including fabrication, welding, materials, consulting etc... It's just that they also have a specialist focus upon renewables, mostly wind power with this being the UK but obviously he is interested in other sources of renewable energy such as solar and hydro though there is not as much focus on that here (maybe if there were such a thing as rain power that would be different!)
Originally Posted by Elaine77
(Post 10730851)
It sounds ridiculous as well but I'm really starting to get down about the weather...there are no seasons anymore just constant wind rain and chilly temperatures and my children are getting so down about not being able to enjoy themselves outdoors because of it.....the seems to be no light at the end of the tunnel here, no matter what city we would be in...
One thing that you might want to look at is job opportunities for your husband in Canada and the weather - Vancouver seems to be where most of the renewable energy companies are based, but obviously that won't help if you want drier weather! :lol: Good luck with it. |
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Stick around Elaine and my advice to you is to read lots and lots and lots of posts,...and don't always take everything you read literally. Sometimes "tongue in cheek" posts don't come across that way in a blog post.
Also, have a good read of the wiki if you haven't already done so, particularly the "Moving back to the UK" section. Read as many posts as you can from people who can't stick Canada, and their reasons why. Therein lie many of the very good reasons why it isn't necessarily a move for everyone, and many people simply want to try and warn potential new immigrants that not everything may be as you expect. Best of luck though! I'm always happy to tell people to give it a go,...you only live once,...life's an adventure,...you'll be dead long enough,...only regret the things you didn't do and not the things you did,...yada yada. Research til you can research no more....then go for it! |
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If you think I would uproot my whole family and change my whole life because of the media then you are sorely mistaken. The media are actually saying how GREAT the UK is going to be ESPECIALLY for people who "want to get on and work" and the lot of it is a whole load of propaganda bullsh*t.
They've lost their credit rating; nobody wants to start new businesses and companies here so therefore no jobs are being created; everything is being privatised which is just driving wages and company benefits/insurances through the ground; income is going down, unemployment is going up and the cost of living is rocketing. The poorest of people are being subjected to 'benefit bashing' propaganda by the government who are only doing it to justify them cutting the income tax for the 1% richest minority. Since the UK joined the EU constitution it has went from bad to worse and the NHS? I can't get an appointment for love nor money and so unless its an emergency I just don't bother trying anymore and even if I did the postcode lottery would dictate whether I would get a remotely decent level of care or not. The scenery sucks as its all soaking wet and grey and the councils have long given up on maintaining the spaces THEY actually own due to the governments sorry state of finances and so maybe Canada is no better than this but it certainly can't be any worse because at the VERY least it has seasons and even ONE better thing is an improvement on nothing. |
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I've been enthralled with the idea of moving to Canada for a few years now, but we are still in the UK.
Unfortunately due to my husbands career change, and him needing to build up relevant experience in his new field I'm not sure when, or if indeed we'll ever get over to Canada. Although, it is still an adventure I'd love to have! When I first looked into moving to Canada I was a bit like you in that all I saw were the negative aspects to life in the UK. I think sometimes we do this to try and justify wanting to move. Yet, the UK isn't all bad, and whoever said about avoiding the daily rags is right. I rarely read them now as they are just too depressing always pointing out the bad and never the good. The NHS may not be brilliant, but I think that sometimes people don't realise how truly lucky they are to have access to free healthcare. Anyway what I'm trying to say is if you want to go to Canada then give it a shot, but don't rubbish everything about the UK otherwise when you get to Canada the life you want may not live up to the high expectation thats been created. All the best with the future. :) |
Re: Moving the family to Canada?
Originally Posted by Elaine77
(Post 10730902)
If you think I would uproot my whole family and change my whole life because of the media then you are sorely mistaken. The media are actually saying how GREAT the UK is going to be ESPECIALLY for people who "want to get on and work" and the lot of it is a whole load of propaganda bullsh*t.
They've lost their credit rating; nobody wants to start new businesses and companies here so therefore no jobs are being created; everything is being privatised which is just driving wages and company benefits/insurances through the ground; income is going down, unemployment is going up and the cost of living is rocketing. The poorest of people are being subjected to 'benefit bashing' propaganda by the government who are only doing it to justify them cutting the income tax for the 1% richest minority. Since the UK joined the EU constitution it has went from bad to worse and the NHS? I can't get an appointment for love nor money and so unless its an emergency I just don't bother trying anymore and even if I did the postcode lottery would dictate whether I would get a remotely decent level of care or not. The scenery sucks as its all soaking wet and grey and the councils have long given up on maintaining the spaces THEY actually own due to the governments sorry state of finances and so maybe Canada is no better than this but it certainly can't be any worse because at the VERY least it has seasons and even ONE better thing is an improvement on nothing. Someone made a point about UK media - I agree that turning the TV and radio off is a positive step. I used to tune in every morning to Radio 4 (sometimes still do) and i did this when i was back last month. After about 3 days i turned it off - because there was no point to the babble. I realized how negative the commentary was. On the flipside the lack of cultural input from the media here is astonishing, it's all big hair and makeup. If you grew up with only CNN and FOX new and your local newspaper – need I say more. As for the seasons...if you want rain and a climate similar to the UK then head for Vancouver. Being near the water comes with a premium though, noone can afford to live there If you want 5 months of -30c and some snow... but followed by 5 months of beautiful summer...then head for Alberta. Economy is pretty good due to oil and gas, even though there’s a deficit of a few billion this year lol But the feeling of impending doom isn't here. People shrug it off and get on with their lives. There’s more space and nothing’s really in your face. From this perspective, life is what you make it. After a couple of years you start to think and act less like you’re under siege and start to realize your life is in a new place. It takes years to adjust so reading posts on this forum can only give you some insight. It’s really down to whether or not you’re up for the adventure. Would i want to bring up my kids in the UK? Nope. I don’t worry about it here. Is life perfect here in Canada? Nope. There are humans everywhere you go unfortunately. Get your research done and find out if you can get a job. It may be a long process - usually is for most of us. But it's worth it in the end: if it's crap you can always go back. You're a long time dead. Good luck with your research. |
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Originally Posted by Elaine77
(Post 10730902)
The scenery sucks as its all soaking wet and grey
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Originally Posted by christmasoompa
(Post 10731061)
Yeah, you're right. The Lake District/Cotswolds/coastal villages in Cornwall really are an eyesore aren't they? ;):lol:
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Sorry I must have forgotten to mention I am not a rich retiree and so therefore can't afford to live in the Lake District or the Cotswolds, not to mention the lack of jobs in those areas and their majority-pensioner population!
I could cope with living anywhere if I was a millionaire due to the fact I could jet away at any time I wanted but, alas, I am merely a soon to be graduate looking for a good career in a nice country to raise my children in.... Thank you Stu, you should comment more often as you have given a very balanced opinion which I will take on board. It all comes down to my children and, given the choice, I'm sure most people would not say "the UK" if asked where they would most like to raise their children out of everywhere in the world. Unless they are endeared to the "most depressed youths in Europe" or the "highest teenage pregnancy rate in Europe" statistics of course.... Oh wait! Let me guess! Those statistics come about because our NHS is just so darn good they all get reported and treated more - hence the higher numbers! Silly me! [Skeptical face] |
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Originally Posted by Elaine77
(Post 10731093)
Sorry I must have forgotten to mention I am not a rich retiree and so therefore can't afford to live in the Lake District or the Cotswolds, not to mention the lack of jobs in those areas and their majority-pensioner population!
I could cope with living anywhere if I was a millionaire due to the fact I could jet away at any time I wanted but, alas, I am merely a soon to be graduate looking for a good career in a nice country to raise my children in.... Thank you Stu, you should comment more often as you have given a very balanced opinion which I will take on board. It all comes down to my children and, given the choice, I'm sure most people would not say "the UK" if asked where they would most like to raise their children out of everywhere in the world. Unless they are endeared to the "most depressed youths in Europe" or the "highest teenage pregnancy rate in Europe" statistics of course.... Oh wait! Let me guess! Those statistics come about because our NHS is just so darn good they all get reported and treated more - hence the higher numbers! Silly me! [Skeptical face] |
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Go for it, you only live once. We went for it, probably not the best move we could have made in our lives but for now we are where we are, Red Deer won't be our forever home, even though we love Red Deer.
Talk to the nurses that frequent this forum to talk about healthcare. Look at dental costs, prescription costs etc, you'll be surprised to realise how good the NHS really is. You talk about missing seasons - we miss seasons here. We go from bloody hot to bloody cold in a blink of an eye with no real season in between, bloody cold lasts for a lot longer than bloody hot, believe me it's not much fun spending time outside when it's 21 below. You also mention opportunity for work, that imo is hit and miss, yes you may get a job in your field and you may make more money, you'll also be spending more on houses and utilities so it evens out. Canadians are also reluctant to give a job to someone they don't already know. It really is 6 of one and half a dozen of another, have a few trips out to really see if it's what you want and start applying for jobs, you never know you might get lucky. |
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Originally Posted by Elaine77
(Post 10731093)
Sorry I must have forgotten to mention I am not a rich retiree and so therefore can't afford to live in the Lake District or the Cotswolds, not to mention the lack of jobs in those areas and their majority-pensioner population!
I could cope with living anywhere if I was a millionaire due to the fact I could jet away at any time I wanted but, alas, I am merely a soon to be graduate looking for a good career in a nice country to raise my children in.... Thank you Stu, you should comment more often as you have given a very balanced opinion which I will take on board. It all comes down to my children and, given the choice, I'm sure most people would not say "the UK" if asked where they would most like to raise their children out of everywhere in the world. Unless they are endeared to the "most depressed youths in Europe" or the "highest teenage pregnancy rate in Europe" statistics of course.... Oh wait! Let me guess! Those statistics come about because our NHS is just so darn good they all get reported and treated more - hence the higher numbers! Silly me! [Skeptical face] Clearly you are determined that your children will have an awful existence in the UK and a wonderful drug, crime and pregnancy free one in Canada, and nothing will dissuade you otherwise. Which is fine, but please be gracious enough to thank everybody that has taken the time to give you their advice rather than being so aggressive and only thanking the one person that has vaguely agreed with you. |
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Originally Posted by christmasoompa
(Post 10731140)
Your husband can earn £80k a year, and you can't afford to live in a nice area? :confused:
Clearly you are determined that your children will have an awful existence in the UK and a wonderful drug, crime and pregnancy free one in Canada, and nothing will dissuade you otherwise. Which is fine, but please be gracious enough to thank everybody that has taken the time to give you their advice rather than being so aggressive and only thanking the one person that has vaguely agreed with you. |
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Should I thank the person who decided to take the p*ss out of me too should I? With their 'sarcasm i wouldn't understand'. I never said I wanted people to agree i just wanted a balanced view and information rather than the usual negative comments and Stu was the only one who gave a balanced opinion giving pros and cons to both sides and being honest enough to admit he wouldn't want to raise children in the Uk.
And £80k a year? Maybe in 30years time with 30 years experience yeah when our children are too old to benefit from it? The qualified people who are training him are working as trainers and lecturers for £30k a year because they say the job opportunities are just not there at the moment in the Uk..... Not sure why they would do that if they could all be earning £80k? |
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Originally Posted by Elaine77
(Post 10731163)
Should I thank the person who decided to take the p*ss out of me too should I?
Originally Posted by Elaine77
(Post 10731163)
And £80k a year? Maybe in 30years time with 30 years experience yeah when our children are too old to benefit from it? The qualified people who are training him are working as trainers and lecturers for £30k a year because they say the job opportunities are just not there at the moment in the Uk..... Not sure why they would do that if they could all be earning £80k?
So if you really want to live in the Cotswolds or similar, your husband could earn enough to do that in the UK, just perhaps not in the area you currently live in. |
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There's teen pregnancy, drugs and crime for teens over here too. I have no idea why you'd think that's not the case in Canada.
In fact a couple of teens (girls) started their own prostitution ring in Ottawa, just for starters..and then there's cyber bullying, depression rates on the rise, and suicides... |
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If you think that your family would be better served by moving from the UK, get started on the paperwork. You are young and your kids are young, and if you do get here and it's all a ghastly mistake, you have the working years ahead of you to recover from it. You have nothing to lose, most probably.
However, Canada does have its problems, and they aren't all weather related. I don't think that people are being negative to you, I think they are just trying to point out that it can be a long and costly road, both emotionally and financially and sometimes those who have made the journey wonder if it was all worth it. I'm sure you and your family can prove them all wrong:thumbup: Best of luck. |
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Originally Posted by Elaine77
(Post 10730851)
It sounds ridiculous as well but I'm really starting to get down about the weather...there are no seasons anymore just constant wind rain and chilly temperatures and my children are getting so down about not being able to enjoy themselves outdoors because of it.....the seems to be no light at the end of the tunnel here, no matter what city we would be in...
And what do you mean sarcasm? The whole post was a pisstake or something? |
Re: Moving the family to Canada?
I didn't say there wasn't those problems in Canada but having the worst rates in Europe and just having it occurring are two different things... UK is tiny compared to most places in Europe so to have the highest rates of anything is quite significant.
I don't necessarily want hot weather or Australia would be first choice.. I like my seasons and I don't mind freezing cold winters as long as it comes with hot summers too or at least some sort of summer so my children can go outdoors and go to beaches without a rain mac and an umbrella...this is not possible in the Uk at all. I appreciate the info but like I say, I really don't have an issue with Newcastle and moving to the Cotswolds or somewhere like that wouldn't change all of the other things I mentioned about the UK as a whole....I don't believe it's the best Place to raise children and I don't think this generation of children will have many opportunities in the UK in their future...the country is at saturation point it's too full and because of the EU constitution it's going to get fuller and the government cannot keep up with it. We aren't looking for perfection just improvement. I might not know a lot about Canada (outside of its crime rates) or Australia for that matter hence the researching... And it's obviously just not very comforting when the people training my husband are saying there are no opportunities here in his line of work....I would really appreciate knowing where these £80k jobs are as his mentors for some reason don't want to tell him? |
Re: Moving the family to Canada?
I think you are looking for positive affirmation for your move from those who have made it, and that is natural given that this is a very scary thing to undertake.
To take that step, you may need to convince yourself that the UK is in a bad state and that many of its problems do not exist in Canada. Again, that is normal. I'm happy here and after 5+ years am glad I made the move. I live in a great area, have a good job and advanced in my career and made some great friends. We had our daughter here, feel settled and I do not intend to move back to the UK for the foreseeable future. However, I do want to present a few realities in my anecdotal opinion, some of which are also born out by statistics: - Societal problems that affect the UK all exist here. As in the UK, if you have money, you can live somewhere pleasant and avoid many of them. If you do not, you'll see many of the same issues. And even if you have money you will not avoid all of them. - Governments across the western world are having the same issues with the economy, job creation etc. There are also only so many policy levers they can use to make changes (more/less taxes, more/less regulation etc). Everyone likes to moan about governments, but they all do pretty much the same things. I cannot understand moving country because of a government, unless we're talking some kind of dictatorship scenario. - Healthcare. It took me several years to find a GP where I live, and that was only possible because my wife was pregnant. Canada generally has a shortage of GPs, although this varies considerably between provinces, urban/rural areas etc. Ironically, people in the UK typically don't realize how good the NHS is until they live elsewhere. My healthcare access and provision is similar to the UK, except I have to pay the cost of prescriptions here. - Jobs. As has been stated, coming to a new country to find work is hard, however great your skills are. You typically don't know anyone, and even in larger cities, people have networks sometimes since their university days. It is possible to break in on merit for sure, but its harder to do as an immigrant here than it would be in the UK, I would imagine. - Weather. Seasons are great, but where I am there are two nice months of weather - May and September. Summer is hot and very humid, which sounds nice, but think Singapore humid. Winter is long and cold and if you don't do winter sports feels like it goes on forever. So yes, it doesn't rain all the time here in Eastern Ontario, but weather impacts my life FAR more here than in the UK. I lived in London and Brighton, so got some of the better UK weather. - Other stuff. Life as an immigrant is expensive. You don't have support networks of babysitting family, you don't have a friend who is a plumber who can give you a good price when you first arrive, you don't holiday in your family's cottage like some of your friends and colleagues will, and you don't know how things work and where to go for what you need. This can be learned and resolved over time, but there are hidden costs for being new in a country. Some of this may not be what you want to hear, but take it from a happy immigrant, it is better to go in with your eyes open than to be disappointed when you arrive. Good luck with your move! LF |
Re: Moving the family to Canada?
Originally Posted by MillieF
(Post 10731228)
If you think that your family would be better served by moving from the UK, get started on the paperwork. You are young and your kids are young, and if you do get here and it's all a ghastly mistake, you have the working years ahead of you to recover from it. You have nothing to lose, most probably.
However, Canada does have its problems, and they aren't all weather related. I don't think that people are being negative to you, I think they are just trying to point out that it can be a long and costly road, both emotionally and financially and sometimes those who have made the journey wonder if it was all worth it. I'm sure you and your family can prove them all wrong:thumbup: Best of luck. |
Re: Moving the family to Canada?
Originally Posted by Elaine77
(Post 10731252)
I didn't say there wasn't those problems in Canada but having the worst rates in Europe and just having it occurring are two different things... UK is tiny compared to most places in Europe so to have the highest rates of anything is quite significant.
Originally Posted by Elaine77
(Post 10731252)
I don't necessarily want hot weather or Australia would be first choice.. I like my seasons and I don't mind freezing cold winters as long as it comes with hot summers too or at least some sort of summer so my children can go outdoors and go to beaches without a rain mac and an umbrella...this is not possible in the Uk at all.
Originally Posted by Elaine77
(Post 10731252)
And it's obviously just not very comforting when the people training my husband are saying there are no opportunities here in his line of work....I would really appreciate knowing where these £80k jobs are as his mentors for some reason don't want to tell him?
That actually equates to an annual salary of around £120k, but you haven't yet clarified what kind of engineer your husband is, so without knowing that, it's hard to give you examples of similar London jobs. Does he have an engineering degree? He'll need a P.Eng to call himself an engineer in Canada I believe so that's something to look in to. HTH. |
Re: Moving the family to Canada?
So by your user name am i to suppose you are a pig? You are far too presumptuous for a sarcastic person so let me correct you. Number 7 is my favourite number, I was not born in 1977 I am actually 26 years old and I was born in 1986.
Thanks for that info I see what you mean but if I'm honest I don't have that sort of support network here... I have my immediate family and that's all which I know have a huge impact on family life and I would miss them but they want me to put my children's futures first as much as I want to do that. We don't often see my husbands immediate family and he doesn't really have contact with any extended family either...since my husband quit his job to train as an engineer none of his old work friends bother with him anymore and I only have a couple of people I would class as close friends and don't see them all that often.... Sometimes I ask myself "what is keeping me here?" And when I ask other people and all they can come up with is the NHS (literally EVERYONE says that first before anything!) it makes me think...is that it? And more murders? Brilliant! That's just my field of expertise! No point in going somewhere where there's no crime if I'm qualified in criminal investigation and intelligence lol. My husbands course is "Renewable Energy Engineering" he isn't categorised as a mechanic or an electrician or anything like that....apparently they get trained in all aspects of engineering but his course has a specialisation in renewable energy qualifying him to work offshore on wind turbines and the like.... The Universities in the region we live in only have limited degrees in engineering usually civil engineering, mechanical or electrical and that's it. He is currently at the level under a degree level and, again, his mentors are constantly saying that the trade don't want degrees they want experience/time served and his diploma provides him with the entry requirements to join an energy company and train and work with them? I haven't yet found an engineering degree in renewables but then again I haven't searched every university in the country....the ones I have searched seem to offer it at postgraduate level only... |
Re: Moving the family to Canada?
Originally Posted by Elaine77
(Post 10731328)
So by your user name am i to suppose you are a pig? You are far too presumptuous for a sarcastic person so let me correct you. Number 7 is my favourite number, I was not born in 1977 I am actually 26 years old and I was born in 1986.
Thanks for that info I see what you mean but if I'm honest I don't have that sort of support network here... I have my immediate family and that's all which I know have a huge impact on family life and I would miss them but they want me to put my children's futures first as much as I want to do that. We don't often see my husbands immediate family and he doesn't really have contact with any extended family either...since my husband quit his job to train as an engineer none of his old work friends bother with him anymore and I only have a couple of people I would class as close friends and don't see them all that often.... Sometimes I ask myself "what is keeping me here?" And when I ask other people and all they can come up with is the NHS (literally EVERYONE says that first before anything!) it makes me think...is that it? And more murders? Brilliant! That's just my field of expertise! No point in going somewhere where there's no crime if I'm qualified in criminal investigation and intelligence lol. My husbands course is "Renewable Energy Engineering" he isn't categorised as a mechanic or an electrician or anything like that....apparently they get trained in all aspects of engineering but his course has a specialisation in renewable energy qualifying him to work offshore on wind turbines and the like.... The Universities in the region we live in only have limited degrees in engineering usually civil engineering, mechanical or electrical and that's it. He is currently at the level under a degree level and, again, his mentors are constantly saying that the trade don't want degrees they want experience/time served and his diploma provides him with the entry requirements to join an energy company and train and work with them? I haven't yet found an engineering degree in renewables but then again I haven't searched every university in the country....the ones I have searched seem to offer it at postgraduate level only... |
Re: Moving the family to Canada?
Originally Posted by Elaine77
(Post 10731328)
My husbands course is "Renewable Energy Engineering" he isn't categorised as a mechanic or an electrician or anything like that....apparently they get trained in all aspects of engineering but his course has a specialisation in renewable energy qualifying him to work offshore on wind turbines and the like....
The Universities in the region we live in only have limited degrees in engineering usually civil engineering, mechanical or electrical and that's it. He is currently at the level under a degree level and, again, his mentors are constantly saying that the trade don't want degrees they want experience/time served and his diploma provides him with the entry requirements to join an energy company and train and work with them? I haven't yet found an engineering degree in renewables but then again I haven't searched every university in the country....the ones I have searched seem to offer it at postgraduate level only... Might be worth starting a new thread to see what sort of work he'd be able to do in Canada with his qualifications, so you can figure out salary v cost of living etc? :) |
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