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lmartin999 Jan 21st 2010 7:17 am

Re: Moving back to UK
 

Originally Posted by dgjamison (Post 8270236)
You know this lady is really very unhappy, she has given this country 6 years and it has'nt worked for her, homesickness is a terrible thing I have been there and ended up really ill, and at the time I hated everything about that country which (was Australia by the way), I just had to get home. Now I realise how beautiful Australia was it was my illness that saw everything bad. Have a bit of sympathy instead of trying to score points. Are you Canadian of an immigrant yourself? if you are an immigrant how long have you lived here?:thumbdown:

It's an internet discussion board, where people reply to things said in posts. That's what I was doing and it has nothing to do with scoring points. If you dont want replies then don't post. The OP was not posting about homesickness or her own unhappiness but made some specific points about living in Canada generally which I disagreed with. Nothing more than that.

Why does my status and how long I have lived here have anything to do with it?? :confused:

dgjamison Jan 21st 2010 7:31 am

Re: Moving back to UK
 

Originally Posted by lmartin999 (Post 8270299)
It's an internet discussion board, where people reply to things said in posts. That's what I was doing and it has nothing to do with scoring points. If you dont want replies then don't post. The OP was not posting about homesickness or her own unhappiness but made some specific points about living in Canada generally which I disagreed with. Nothing more than that.

Why does my status and how long I have lived here have anything to do with it?? :confused:

Of course its a discussion board and a really good one for helping people, I think if you read between the lines it is very clear she is homesick, and she just dos'nt like it here. I have to agree with some of the things she has said, I don't live in the country and have had power cuts, the television is dire, and all the nice individually owned canadian home cooking restaurants have vaniched to be overtaken with Big Brand names, like the british high street, walk down one and you could be in any part of the uk, they are all the same names, and coffee shops,I lived here 26 years ago so I see so much change and a lot not for the better:(One Canadian told me the internet and technology here is so far behind britain it was terrible, which surprised me as I thought North America would have been streets ahead. I asked about your status because, having endured homesickness I wondered if you had ever experienced yourself, or if you were Canadain and never emigrated no hidden agenda:confused:
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dboy Jan 21st 2010 11:31 am

Re: Moving back to UK
 

Originally Posted by Unhappypat (Post 8270172)
I have lived in different types of houses and in different places around the world, giving me the opportunity to decide for myself where and what I like most. I am a country girl at heart and always will be, to live in the city would be horrible to me personally as i have tried it and didn't like it to say the least.
Canada is not for me. That is why I choose to go home now. Ive seen quite a bit of Canada, ok it's large, so what? and yeah youv'e got views, again I say so what? it's not enough. What would make me "happier" as you put it would be to go HOME.

Had you have made references to your experiences with rural Canada you may have gotten more mileage, but your comments are of the typical 'all of Canada is crap' Other than crap TV your comments don't really apply to my experiences of Vancouver. Yes it's a big place and vastly different from one province to the next.

edit: i didn't realize it was the TV pic and not content that was the gripe - now that's a first.

Actually, I do agree with the big oil and gas companies raping the land - Sourgas and all that - very troubling and real eye opener for me. I was in Grand Prairie recently.

dboy Jan 21st 2010 11:33 am

Re: Moving back to UK
 

Originally Posted by dgjamison (Post 8270236)
You know this lady is really very unhappy, she has given this country 6 years and it has'nt worked for her, homesickness is a terrible thing I have been there and ended up really ill, and at the time I hated everything about that country which (was Australia by the way), I just had to get home. Now I realise how beautiful Australia was it was my illness that saw everything bad. Have a bit of sympathy instead of trying to score points. Are you Canadian of an immigrant yourself? if you are an immigrant how long have you lived here?:thumbdown:

???????????

This is a forum, martin has engaged in debate and has rightly pointed out that is experiences have been different. I don't find anything wrong, and much right with the way he's commented.

Butch Cassidy Jan 21st 2010 11:35 am

Re: Moving back to UK
 

Originally Posted by dboy (Post 8271124)
Had you have made references to your experiences with rural Canada you may have gotten more mileage, but your comments are of the typical 'all of Canada is crap' Other than crap TV your comments don't really apply to my experiences of Vancouver. Yes it's a big place and vastly different from one province to the next.

I doubt that even if the poster had specified RURAL ALBERTA she would have got much mileage (certainly not from MMC and myself)

dboy Jan 21st 2010 11:42 am

Re: Moving back to UK
 

Originally Posted by Butch Cassidy (Post 8271131)
I doubt that even if the poster had specified RURAL ALBERTA she would have got much mileage (certainly not from MMC and myself)

fair comment, I meant that had she been more specific in her comments, rather then general, than some may have been able to address her.

Japonica Jan 21st 2010 12:26 pm

Re: Moving back to UK
 

Originally Posted by Unhappypat (Post 8269301)
but on the other the winters are too cold and long, the food sucks, everything seems to be fried or have bread wrapped around it, no decent restuarants just fast food everywhere, the produce in the shops is either very old or has travelled so far it has no taste left in it, the standard of driving here is dreadful, the T.V. definition is horrible,( makes your eyes hurt)Oh and weve had more power cuts here than when we lived out in the wilds of untamed Scotland!...the atmosphere is too dry and chillblains are the norm here...Some places look like" Mordor"(from Lord of the Rings) its a travesty. Canada's image of a clean, fresh wonderful place to live Lies.

Wow, don't hold back. Tell us what you really think of the place. LOL.

It's terrible that you've had to live somewhere that is the absolute pit of existence. If it's not for you, then by all means you'd better go back. I hope the UK is as perfect as is sounds in comparison.

keithhorkins Jan 21st 2010 1:59 pm

Re: Moving back to UK
 
Well I guess not everybody can settle here.He does not say how long his family have been here.
But to use those excuses ....well maybe it says it all about the person and 2 faced Canadians holy shit he is in for a surprise when he goes back to the U.K they have more faces than Big Ben.
Anyway I have been here for 4 years been back to the U.K. once and could not wait to come HOME to Canada.
The U.K. is way to expensive and way to much snow ha ha(this year)and no idea what to do with it.
Anyway just thought i would put my twopennies worth in.
I love it here and could not imagine living anywhere else.

Unhappypat Jan 21st 2010 2:46 pm

Re: Moving back to UK
 

Originally Posted by lmartin999 (Post 8270201)
Well, what you actually said you wanted was decent restaurants, a better TV picture, more fresh food in shops and no powercuts. I was pointing out you don't need to go the UK to get these, and that your criticism of Canada on this basis was rather unfair.

Yes I did say that, but I would like it in England.
Canada has not the charm nor the history to compete with Britain.

Finding food that is good and pallitable is hard here, tastes differ.
Thats why I would like to go home now please.

And the reasons that I dont like Canada are not just about the food either, that will be rather shallow of me. :0)
And P.S. I am not a man as you seemed to think keithhorkins do i have to be a man to be taken seriously?

I still stand by what I said earlier, Canada's image of a clean, fresh place to live lies.

Like I said, Sure, Britain has it's problems,but when you get old here(Canada) there is no real place for you. Pensions are not enough for real people to live on and right when you need health care it's taken away from you, gosh that sounds fair doesnt it?.

So that's over taxed,over priced and no health care for the old. No wonder you see so many seniors trying to make ends meet by working at Wal-Mart giving out trolleys. Its shameful Canada. Nobody cares enough about the old.

I'm not there yet, but I know that I dont want to get old here.
So returning to Britain is really the best thing for all of us.

At least in Britain there are things in place for the old, the food is definately better, It will rain on a regular basis hopefully, I will have people with my own accent around me and wont feel like a tourist attraction everytime I speak, I wont have to live in Mordor anymore and can leave and forget the dreadfull place that Canada really is for me.

Japonica Jan 21st 2010 4:07 pm

Re: Moving back to UK
 
About food being palatable...not to argue, but isn't that the role of the cook? I mean, veggies, meat, flour, oils, and spices are veggies, meat, flour, oils, and spices. It's up to the person cooking to make something tasty.

Just my experience living in a new country, but I make the palatable and tasty dishes here. And it starts from the same base ingredients as back home. Not every item is the same, but I also don't say, well, the zucchini and tomatoes here are totally unpalatable, time to move. As my husband tells me (ha), it's a poor craftsman who blames his tools.

Take away/fast food/processed food/convenience/restaurant food is the same anywhere really.

As for your other complaints about Canada, I won't argue it. If that's your perception of the country, then that's your view. But I wouldn't be so hasty as to tar and feather the whole country and all its populace on your experience of it. I spent some time in England back in the 90s. Stayed with friends and relatives, travelled around. My stepfather is English. He emigrated to Canada in 1993. His son came out about five years ago, left last year, and is now ping-ponging back. Anyway, I could make a lot of generalizations about English food, the people, the lifestyle, based on my time there but I won't because it was just my own limited experience of the place and its citizens and it's not fair to characterize the whole country in that way.

Hope you can get back soon and like I said before, I hope that England is as clean, pristine, affluent, crime-free, and a gourmet's paradise as you remember it. Homesickness has a real way of putting the rose tinted specs on.

DigitalGhost Jan 21st 2010 8:28 pm

Re: Moving back to UK
 

Originally Posted by Unhappypat (Post 8271483)
Canada has not the charm nor the history to compete with Britain.

In all honesty though you could say that about most western countries and it also doesn't help that it's a charm that's pretty much ingrained in us from birth and can be quite infectious on other people who move here from overseas.

The UK isn't perfect by a long shot but there really isn't any other place quite like it.

pgtips Jan 21st 2010 9:09 pm

Re: Moving back to UK
 

Originally Posted by Unhappypat (Post 8271483)
Yes I did say that, but I would like it in England.
Canada has not the charm nor the history to compete with Britain.

Finding food that is good and pallitable is hard here, tastes differ.
Thats why I would like to go home now please.

And the reasons that I dont like Canada are not just about the food either, that will be rather shallow of me. :0)
And P.S. I am not a man as you seemed to think keithhorkins do i have to be a man to be taken seriously?

I still stand by what I said earlier, Canada's image of a clean, fresh place to live lies.

Like I said, Sure, Britain has it's problems,but when you get old here(Canada) there is no real place for you. Pensions are not enough for real people to live on and right when you need health care it's taken away from you, gosh that sounds fair doesnt it?.

So that's over taxed,over priced and no health care for the old. No wonder you see so many seniors trying to make ends meet by working at Wal-Mart giving out trolleys. Its shameful Canada. Nobody cares enough about the old.

I'm not there yet, but I know that I dont want to get old here.
So returning to Britain is really the best thing for all of us.

At least in Britain there are things in place for the old, the food is definately better, It will rain on a regular basis hopefully, I will have people with my own accent around me and wont feel like a tourist attraction everytime I speak, I wont have to live in Mordor anymore and can leave and forget the dreadfull place that Canada really is for me.

Here Here !!! If you don't feel right, get yourself back home where you will have that sense of belonging. The murky truth about Canada seems to be seeping out bit by bit !!!! :rofl: People who seem to move to Canada lose all sense of loyalty to Britain, in the old days if they ever returned they would be marched straight to the gallows for their betrayal of Kind and country.

And it cracks me up the way they really think they are really :rofl: Canadians once they get their visas

Unhappypat Jan 22nd 2010 12:41 am

Re: Moving back to UK
 

Originally Posted by Japonica (Post 8271614)
About food being palatable...not to argue, but isn't that the role of the cook? I mean, veggies, meat, flour, oils, and spices are veggies, meat, flour, oils, and spices. It's up to the person cooking to make something tasty.

Just my experience living in a new country, but I make the palatable and tasty dishes here. And it starts from the same base ingredients as back home. Not every item is the same, but I also don't say, well, the zucchini and tomatoes here are totally unpalatable, time to move. As my husband tells me (ha), it's a poor craftsman who blames his tools.

Take away/fast food/processed food/convenience/restaurant food is the same anywhere really.

As for your other complaints about Canada, I won't argue it. If that's your perception of the country, then that's your view. But I wouldn't be so hasty as to tar and feather the whole country and all its populace on your experience of it. I spent some time in England back in the 90s. Stayed with friends and relatives, travelled around. My stepfather is English. He emigrated to Canada in 1993. His son came out about five years ago, left last year, and is now ping-ponging back. Anyway, I could make a lot of generalizations about English food, the people, the lifestyle, based on my time there but I won't because it was just my own limited experience of the place and its citizens and it's not fair to characterize the whole country in that way.

Hope you can get back soon and like I said before, I hope that England is as clean, pristine, affluent, crime-free, and a gourmet's paradise as you remember it. Homesickness has a real way of putting the rose tinted specs on.

Crime free? I dont think so, but I cant remember one time that someone has been shot whilst in their own home watching t.v. minding their own business and the bullet comes through the wall! Britain is probably one of the worst places in the world for crime, but we sure hear a lot about other places like Millwoods,Edmonton,Torronto to name but a few. And what about these odd feet that keep turning up LOL.

Pristine, not all the time, theres litter there like here in the streets, and people still urinate in the street after the clubs and bars kick out like here.
affluent, no not really, poverty is universal, it shouldnt be but it is, Canada has its fair share of the poor too, however considering that there are less people living in Canada than britain it is a shame that you seem to have more street people here than I've seem anywhere else.

And certainly not a gourmets paradise to use your words, you say a bad workman blames his tools, but tell me, dont workman need the right materials in the first place?.

And yes, I wear glasses, but it is to see the world the way it really is. They are not rose tinted either. Most parts of the world are filled with greedy people who think of nothing but their own petty lives and what they want is paramount. Maybe you should put on some glasses and take a good look at where you live, its not a great as its cracked it up to be.
Everbody loves where they come from usually, I dont see that as a problem, what is a problem is people telling me how gratefull I should be to live here. Not so, each to his own.

dbd33 Jan 22nd 2010 12:48 am

Re: Moving back to UK
 

Originally Posted by keithhorkins (Post 8271395)
well maybe it says it all about the person and 2 faced Canadians holy shit he is in for a surprise when he goes back to the U.K they have more faces than Big Ben.

More faces than a bell? That, dude, is some freaky imagery.

pgtips Jan 22nd 2010 1:00 am

Re: Moving back to UK
 

Originally Posted by Unhappypat (Post 8272495)
Crime free? I dont think so, but I cant remember one time that someone has been shot whilst in their own home watching t.v. minding their own business and the bullet comes through the wall! Britain is probably one of the worst places in the world for crime, but we sure hear a lot about other places like Millwoods,Edmonton,Torronto to name but a few. And what about these odd feet that keep turning up LOL.

Pristine, not all the time, theres litter there like here in the streets, and people still urinate in the street after the clubs and bars kick out like here.
affluent, no not really, poverty is universal, it shouldnt be but it is, Canada has its fair share of the poor too, however considering that there are less people living in Canada than britain it is a shame that you seem to have more street people here than I've seem anywhere else.

And certainly not a gourmets paradise to use your words, you say a bad workman blames his tools, but tell me, dont workman need the right materials in the first place?.

And yes, I wear glasses, but it is to see the world the way it really is. They are not rose tinted either. Most parts of the world are filled with greedy people who think of nothing but their own petty lives and what they want is paramount. Maybe you should put on some glasses and take a good look at where you live, its not a great as its cracked it up to be.
Everbody loves where they come from usually, I dont see that as a problem, what is a problem is people telling me how gratefull I should be to live here. Not so, each to his own.

Lol, you go and get it off your chest. Do not feel intimidadted by the "I Love canada brigade"

If this is how you feel and see things, speak it as it is, however remember others have the right to refute your claims if they wish.

I think you seem badly homesick, and nothing that cannot be rectified once you get back. Homesickness does all sorts of things to one's emotions and everybody that emigrates feels it at one stage or another, even the "I love Canada" brigade. They should be more understanding.


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