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Rich_007 Jul 16th 2006 3:50 am

Re: Misconception on cost of living
 

Originally Posted by MikeUK
But you could have afforded to do it in both southern france and spain,

The difference with such things is the easy access to them.

Deer wandering in the garden, eagles soaring above.
Live on a mountain, yet me 10 mins from downtown.
Live 10 mins from downtown yet have an amazing viewpoint over lake, mountain, city, valley, just 5 mins walk away.
World class scenery on the doorstep.
Can [choose option sail gold ski bike] all on the same day, all within reasonable <1 hour distance. None requires an arm and a leg being donated before taking up such a pastime.
Visit wineries and eat fine foods.
World class mountain biking and golf.
Afford to buy second accomodation at a ski resort should one desire.

All this for the cost of average priced home ? None of this achieveable in the UK on an 'everyday' basis.

Rich.

Souvenir Jul 16th 2006 6:14 am

Re: Misconception on cost of living
 

Originally Posted by Biiiiink
Wow, how did you manage that?! I tried to buy a mere 2 packs in Feb and was told it was "against UK law" for her to sell me more than 1, lest I go off and try and kill myself and she get held responsible or something :eek:

Funny that. In the UK, they send you for conselling if you try to buy eight paracetomol. Here, I can buy enough Tylenol in one go to kill a whale.

MikeUK Jul 16th 2006 6:42 am

Re: Misconception on cost of living
 

Originally Posted by Bleech
Mike are you seriously comparing Vancouver to Wales? :eek:

Yes... lived there for 7 years... I know wales very well, I also regularly work in vancouver too...

Both have easy access to great scenery the great oudoors places with no tourists... cheap housing with fantasic views

Rich_007 Jul 16th 2006 6:45 am

Re: Misconception on cost of living
 

Originally Posted by MikeUK
Yes... lived there for 7 years... I know wales very well, I also regularly work in vancouver too...

Both have easy access to great scenery the great oudoors places with no tourists... cheap housing with fantasic views

Uh....Vancouver doesn't have cheap housing :confused:

Having lived in/near both and explored both I think you need less of the big green pills and more of the invisible ones :D ;)

Rich.

MikeUK Jul 16th 2006 6:46 am

Re: Misconception on cost of living
 

Originally Posted by Hangman
You are deliberately not getting the point.

You asked for things that you can do in Canada that you can't do in Europe and I listed a few.

Granted there are those things you listed in Europe but they are not the same now are they. They are unique to Europe just as the things I listed are unique to Canada.

And you also missed the point I was making...

That you can achive a decent standard of living in Europe too.... If you try..

and I say Europe as its comparable to Canada in diversity and size and travel ... the UK isn't

MikeUK Jul 16th 2006 6:48 am

Re: Misconception on cost of living
 

Originally Posted by Rich_007
Uh....Vancouver doesn't have cheap housing :confused:

Having lived in/near both and explored both I think you need less of the big green pills and more of the invisible ones :D ;)

Rich.

I should have been more specific I was comparing Wales and lower BC whilst i wrote that piece..

The original context refered to a beach on Vancouver Island not the city its self

hudd Jul 16th 2006 6:55 am

Re: Misconception on cost of living
 

Originally Posted by dingbat
They are, except there are always sales on as the prices are inflated to give the impression that "30% off" this week is actually a bargain. The only two malls that come anywhere close to the UK ones are the Eaton Centre in TO and West Edmonton Mall (which is like the one up in Newcastle, bigger, but with the same selection of shops over and over). The Pacific Centre in downtown Vancouver is utter pants, in fact the shops are not impressive anyway, perhaps apart from Holt Renfrew.

There are some outlet places - however there is absolutely nothing like the outlet places you mentioned up your way. I used to go to the McArthur Glen Ashford Retail Centre (Kent) for all the good stuff for my kids and return to Canada with suitcases bursting at the seams!

We never found outlet centres in Canada. We would buy the kids shoes and our clothing at the Ashford retail centre as well. I used to go there when I came to the Uk on business.

MikeUK Jul 16th 2006 7:17 am

Re: Misconception on cost of living
 

Originally Posted by hudd
We never found outlet centres in Canada. We would buy the kids shoes and our clothing at the Ashford retail centre as well. I used to go there when I came to the Uk on business.

The outlet centres are often over the border..I've run across a few good ones in our travels in the States...

dbd33 Jul 16th 2006 8:28 am

Re: Misconception on cost of living
 

Originally Posted by Craftybanshee
Some of us aren't from the lower orders **sniffs in a slightly offended manner** ;)

But then you've no reason to emigrate. It seems to me that moving from the UK can get one an improvement in material standard of living in exchange for a loss of cultural and geographic advantages and it can get one a one time boost in social status. It makes sense to move if housing is cheaper where you're going or if you're from the wrong side of the tracks. It doesn't make sense to emigrate (to Canada) if you're materially satisfied with your lot in the UK and not constrained by class barriers or other constraints that don't apply here. I can see that it might make sense to emigrate to somewhere culturally different from the UK for the experience even if it meant a lower standard of living but Canada, no, the difference is just arguing over football vs arguing over ice hockey. Canada's got to offer more consumer durables.

NessieOggy Jul 16th 2006 9:27 am

Re: Misconception on cost of living
 

Originally Posted by dbd33
It doesn't make sense to emigrate (to Canada) if you're materially satisfied with your lot in the UK and not constrained by class barriers or other constraints that don't apply here.

I guess for us it wan't as cut and dried .... hubby was content with life in the UK... but I lived here in Canada. ;)

Oggy

dingbat Jul 16th 2006 9:32 am

Re: Misconception on cost of living
 

Originally Posted by NessieOggy
I guess for us it wan't as cut and dried .... hubby was content with life in the UK... but I lived here in Canada. ;)

Oggy

There is a distinct class system in BC. Those with money. Those without. ;)
What passes for the equivalent of the monied middle classes are usually denoted by racial/cultural identifiers.

dbd33 Jul 16th 2006 9:47 am

Re: Misconception on cost of living
 

Originally Posted by dingbat
There is a distinct class system in BC. Those with money. Those without. ;)
What passes for the equivalent of the monied middle classes are usually denoted by racial/cultural identifiers.

There's a class system in Ontario too and it's a bit more complicated than just being about money but immigrants don't easily fit and the English are seen as being much the same as each other. Thus, those of us what have harsh accents and no schooling gain relative status by moving while the educated and well bred tend to lose.

stepnek Jul 16th 2006 9:48 am

Re: Misconception on cost of living
 

Originally Posted by dbd33
But then you've no reason to emigrate. It seems to me that moving from the UK can get one an improvement in material standard of living in exchange for a loss of cultural and geographic advantages and it can get one a one time boost in social status. It makes sense to move if housing is cheaper where you're going or if you're from the wrong side of the tracks. It doesn't make sense to emigrate (to Canada) if you're materially satisfied with your lot in the UK and not constrained by class barriers or other constraints that don't apply here. I can see that it might make sense to emigrate to somewhere culturally different from the UK for the experience even if it meant a lower standard of living but Canada, no, the difference is just arguing over football vs arguing over ice hockey. Canada's got to offer more consumer durables.

I couldn't agree more. In my opinion this paragraph sums up the whole situation perfectly.

dingbat Jul 16th 2006 11:22 am

Re: Misconception on cost of living
 

Originally Posted by dbd33
There's a class system in Ontario too and it's a bit more complicated than just being about money but immigrants don't easily fit and the English are seen as being much the same as each other. Thus, those of us what have harsh accents and no schooling gain relative status by moving while the educated and well bred tend to lose.

Ah well that explains my relative failure over here. I have the worst South London accent going and am most definitely from the wrong side of the tracks, but somehow got the education back in Blighty which allowed me to move in certain circles anyway....with a few exceptions. Over here, I am no different to any other educated immigrant, with the added problem of being female in a very misogynistic society.

dbd33 Jul 16th 2006 12:47 pm

Re: Misconception on cost of living
 

Originally Posted by dingbat
Ah well that explains my relative failure over here. I have the worst South London accent going and am most definitely from the wrong side of the tracks, but somehow got the education back in Blighty which allowed me to move in certain circles anyway....with a few exceptions. Over here, I am no different to any other educated immigrant, with the added problem of being female in a very misogynistic society.

I don't know about BC but Toronto is absurdly misogynistic. Women in business but out of earshot are all either "cutie pies" or "douche bags", I'm undecided which is worse. I'm sick of hearing that paying my children's university tuition is a waste because they're girls. The fifties feel of the country is nice when one thinks of children playing out in the street but less so when one thinks of their mothers chained to the stove.


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