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bajr1 Feb 5th 2002 3:51 pm

Meg 's Statistics
 
Hi Meg,
I fully understand Canada's inabillity to take in Immigrants who are not now qualified but were qualified under the old law.But the Pertinent question is :
Why did the Canadian Immigration Authorities not analyze the Statistical data earlier at the right time and monitor the Immigration ?Why did it have to wait till the situation went out of hand?

Ainsley Dalton-Cross Feb 5th 2002 5:20 pm

Probably because they are the government and the wheels of bureaucracy run slow and
illogically.

Ainsley

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Meg Lamont Feb 5th 2002 11:45 pm

Hi Bajr,

I sure wish I knew the answer to your question as well. I've been here since November
2000, and because of our situation at home, I've had the opportunity to deal with the
federal government (our member of the house of parliment David Pratt) and a federal
agency, CRTC (Canadian Radio & Telecommunications Commission), and the City of
Ottawa, the mayor's department, and our local city represenative. It's truly amazing
how all of these departments don't have any idea what the other is doing and when
they try to interact, it's massive red tape. While living in the US, I did not have
any reason to deal with people on these levels, but I'm sure they work the same way,
very disjointed. We live in the city of Ottawa, and Bell Canada will not service the
area where our house and 4 others live. We are the only 5 residents in the City of
Ottawa, high tech capital of Canada, without phone service. Yes, there are phones
nearby, 2.3 kilometers from our house on both sides. We have hydro to the house and
hydro poles, but Bell still is declining to offer us service. Pretty odd if you ask
me in a city of 785,000 people in the year 2002! We don't live in an island, yes, we
are rural, but there are many more rural places in Canada that have service. As for
using Cell service as your primary phone, it's very expensive and reliable. It's just
a political mess. So why Immigration does not pay attention to the statistical data,
maybe they do, but I'm sure there are factors that change faster than they can
accumulate this information. Also, anything to do with the govenrnment tends to be
handled very slow.

Good luck with your endeavors!

Meg

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VKaren Feb 6th 2002 3:43 am

Real Shocking
 
Dear Meg,
I am once again concern because you are really giving shocks, I think you really know very much inside out of the country. If this is your experience then how HDI were giving no 1 country to leave for last 7 years!!!!!

In this kind of situation its really difficult to say wheather Glass is Half full or Half empty because we are now waiting for PR.

As earlier one of our friend replied that we need to accomodate in 93% of employed catagory ,rather than accomodating in 7% of unemployed group.

I am sure we have to go through this hard time of recession and assuming this will continue till Mid-2003 because this recession is faced by all countries.Also at this stage I really donot see any sign of recovery.

Let's hope that this recession should end very soon and we see economy graph on upward trend.

regards,
Karen

Meg Lamont Feb 6th 2002 11:05 am

Karen,

If you want to ask any specific questions, please email me direct at
[email protected]

Good luck!

Meg

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Berto Volpentesta Feb 6th 2002 1:46 pm

Well, yes. The purpose is so that Canada can select those that could = contribute
most. Another is to be able to manage the numbers better.

The old system (current system) does the same thing through the = demographic factor
but it was not used and thus people came to take it = for granted (that and the
government began using the GOL to regulate the = program)

There are vast numbers of people who are as skilled and would no doubt = contribute a
great deal to Canada. But the challenge is, how to select = them.

When Canada finds out that the numbers they want can no longer be met, = the will
lower the mark (no doubt at that time to the outcry that Canada = lets in too
many losers)

Hopefully, the damage done to the program will not prevent people from = taking
another look at Canada as a choice destination.

--=20 Good luck,

All opinions expressed are IMHO, not anyone else's

Berto Volpentesta, B.A. (Spec. Hons.), B.Ed. Member, OPIC Director, OPIC and
Education Committee Chairman

Sidhu & Volpentesta Inc. Serving people around the world since 1991

www.svcanada.com

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Berto Volpentesta Feb 6th 2002 1:47 pm

That is right, but the selection system needs a little fine tuning so = that the
people we do need are not out. (people like the real skilled = workers ie.
tradespeople)

--=20 Good luck,

All opinions expressed are IMHO, not anyone else's

Berto Volpentesta, B.A. (Spec. Hons.), B.Ed. Member, OPIC Director, OPIC and
Education Committee Chairman

Sidhu & Volpentesta Inc. Serving people around the world since 1991

www.svcanada.com

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Berto Volpentesta Feb 6th 2002 1:52 pm

Well, we all wish we were in a time when people really could succeed on = their sheer
determination. And there are thousands who could probably = do that event today.

But, alas, "the times they are a changing" and have been and will = continue to.
Today is a different environment and a different economy = and a different
governing style.

Least I be the one to defend the government as I have seen my share of = idocy, but
today's governments are expected to have systems and reasons = and evidence to
support their policy decisions.

Sometimes that means that policy will be made by the books and well, = that sometimes
does not fit with our old time senses.

--=20 Good luck,

All opinions expressed are IMHO, not anyone else's

Berto Volpentesta, B.A. (Spec. Hons.), B.Ed. Member, OPIC Director, OPIC and
Education Committee Chairman

Sidhu & Volpentesta Inc. Serving people around the world since 1991

www.svcanada.com

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Nishant Feb 6th 2002 11:16 pm

I was just reading the posts under the subject 'Man without a country'. Can someone
tell how much take-home salary would it take to live comfortably in Toronto - for a
family of 4?. If my wife and I both worked (both of us have Master's degrees with
lots of experience ...etc etc but are WILLING TO WORK IN ANY JOB that will help us
take home a decentsalary.Both of us are currently working for a financial
institution.Mydefinition of a comfortable life would be (a)a decent 3 bed
housecentrally located in Toronto;(b)enough money to pay for food, utilities,school
fees,clothes, private medical insurance, a small inexpensive car.And what kind of
jobs might afford me this life style? Thanks! Nishant

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Meg Lamont Feb 6th 2002 11:42 pm

Nishant,

I don't live in the Toronto area, but here are some 1996 statistics on housing for a
start. Maybe someone who recently has moved to Tornoto can help you out.

http://www.statcan.ca/english/Pgdb/P...s/famil64f.htm

Here is another link that I find is true for the Ottawa area, it compares the high
tech metropolitan areas to each other for the cost of living and salary. Looks like
it was done in October and looks very true for Ottawa. The below link is looks very
helpful. Many good links attached. Be sure to check it out.

http://www.emergit.com/html/content_...ey1_oct17.html

Another good link to check out from www.statcan.ca
http://www.statcan.ca/english/Pgdb/P...s/famil10c.htm

Is a link for housing for sale in Toronto area: http://www.torestate.com/

Good luck!

Meg

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