This 80 point deal is so stupid. I was born in Canada. I am quite intelligent, speak English fluently, and have successfully fed myself quite well for 48 years with no government support.

So just out of curiousity, I graded myself.

I got 47 points!!!

Age, education, occupation, and inability to speak French wiped me out completely.

Help!!! I am not worthy to be Canadian!

From my limited understanding of the Immigration system, if you were born in Canada
you are automatically a citizen and you don't need to apply to live there. At least
it makes sense that way, but I could be wrong.

Ainsley

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You are funny. Your answer is not really what ray777 intended from his posting. He
was tryig to make a statement about the new immigration system. His point is that
some people who are already Candians and live in Canada are not able to get the 80
points required to immigrate from the outside.

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[usenetquote2]> > This 80 point deal is so stupid. I was born in Canada. I am quite intelligent,[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > speak English fluently, and have successfully fed myself quite well for 48 years[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > with no government support.[/usenetquote2]
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[usenetquote2]> > So just out of curiousity, I graded myself.[/usenetquote2]
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[usenetquote2]> > I got 47 points!!![/usenetquote2]
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[usenetquote2]> > Age, education, occupation, and inability to speak French wiped me out[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > completely.[/usenetquote2]
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[usenetquote2]> > Help!!! I am not worthy to be Canadian![/usenetquote2]
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You're right. I reread his message after I read yours and I realised that he was
being sarcastic. I guess I'm just a little stressed about my own bad situation that I
can't see the humour in things any more.

Ainsley

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[usenetquote2]> > From my limited understanding of the Immigration system, if you were[/usenetquote2]
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[usenetquote2]> > there. At least it makes sense that way, but I could be wrong.[/usenetquote2]
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[usenetquote2]> > > This 80 point deal is so stupid. I was born in Canada. I am quite intelligent,[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > > speak English fluently, and have successfully fed myself quite well for 48[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > > years with no government support.[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > > So just out of curiousity, I graded myself.[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > > I got 47 points!!![/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > > Age, education, occupation, and inability to speak French wiped me out[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > > completely.[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > > Help!!! I am not worthy to be Canadian![/usenetquote2]
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ainsley, read carefully, he's doing that just for fun

[usenetquote2]>> So just out of curiousity, I gradews myself[/usenetquote2]

"Ainsley Dalton-Cross" <[email protected]>
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[usenetquote2]> > This 80 point deal is so stupid. I was born in Canada. I am quite intelligent,[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > speak English fluently, and have successfully fed myself quite well for 48 years[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > with no government support.[/usenetquote2]
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[usenetquote2]> > So just out of curiousity, I graded myself.[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > I got 47 points!!![/usenetquote2]
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[usenetquote2]> > Age, education, occupation, and inability to speak French wiped me out[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > completely.[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> >[/usenetquote2]
[usenetquote2]> > Help!!! I am not worthy to be Canadian![/usenetquote2]
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He knows that. You missed the point, he's just trying to say that the 80 points
system is stupid.

And it is!

Leo

http://www.statcan.ca/english/Subjec...LFS/lfs-en.htm

As a recent immigrant to Canada (October 2000), I can't understand why everyone is
upset about the new point requirements. It seems that everyone has an opinion on it
and it all needs seems to be in the negative tones. I can remember when they were
talking about increasing the requirements due to the current situations in Canada.
They were trying to correct some of the problems with immigration.According to the
2001 December Employment edged down by an estimated 18,000 in December. This decline
was accompanied by a large increase in labour force participation, pushing the
unemployment rate up 0.5 percentage points to 8.0%, the highest since the spring of
1999. December's employment decline was mostly among adult men (aged 25 and over)
working full-time (-21,000). Job losses were accompanied by higher labour force
participation, driving their unemployment rate up 0.8 percentage points to 7.3%.
Among adult women, employment changed little. However, higher labour force
participation pushed their unemployment rate up 0.3 percentage points to 6.4%.

This past year has not been good for the economy of Canada. Many immigrants who have
recently moved here, have been laid off from their jobs and have not be able to
attain employment due to lack of language skills and adaptability to other jobs.
You've got to admit, it's tuff to survive in Canada without employment. It's
difficult to survive anywhere without employment.
http://www.statcan.ca/english/econoind/indic.htm

Immigration is not just about letting everyone live where they want to and when they
want to, it's a big responsibility. Immigration is suppose to protect the workforce
of the country among other responsibilities. Canada immigration from July 1 2000 to
June 30, 2001 allowed 252,088 immigrants to land in Canada. That's a pretty
significant number when the total population of Canada is 31,156,393. The immigration
rate is .8%. This percent does not include the number of returning residents.

Check out the link below, it lists the countries of last residence of the immigrants
for the past 5 years. It's rather interesting.
http://www.statcan.ca/english/Pgdb/P...ion/demo08.htm

The new standards are to hopefully better the immigration process and assure the
immigrant a better chance once they arrive. What good is it if a new immigrant gets
here and finds it's very hard to survive. They've given up their homeland in the
hopes of a better life, but if that is not waiting here, then what? Many Canadians
are frustrated with immigrants since they are offered services beyond that of a
Citizen. For example, Immigrants are entitled to English classes and French. There
are many Canadians that don't speak French, and are not offered those services.

I've also noticed that everyone is very quick to judge just how difficult it is to
immigrate to Canada, food for thought, does everyone know how difficult it is in your
own country? What restrictions and process is involved? Before bashing the point
system and requirements, one might want to do a little research and find out what had
lead to these new requirements instead of just being angry and judgmental of the new
system. Apparently, they are trying to make it better. It seems that nobody sees it
in that manner.

This is not meant to offend anyone, but maybe hopefully take off the blinders and see
another point of view.

Good luck to all.

Meg

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Now ,I think its very tough to enter into Canada but after entering real life starts. After reading so many mails, If the life is it so tough & unemployment rate is growing more than 7%, means situation is very alarming.
Can any one give me justification for this. I am bit confused about the situation. I am likely to get my PR.
Please advise.
Karen

On Mon, 4 Feb 2002 09:01:00 -0500, Meg Lamont wrote about Re: A man without a
country!!:

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UK - say no more. Turn up, get fed, housed and clothed, and never need to do another
days work in your life.

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7% unemployment is still 93% employment It depends how you look at things

One of the reasons Canada does not allow anyone in is that not everyone will
manage here

Presumably if you are likely to get your PR, "the system" reckons you will be able to
join the 93% in a reasonable time - asssuming you are in a reasonable location for
your skills

Do not be disciouraged

On Mon, 04 Feb 2002 17:07:52 GMT, VKaren <[email protected]> wrote:

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not totally related to canada immigration, but kindof on similar lines to the original post.

has anyone ever adminstered the TOEFL (Test of English as a Foreign Language) test to a control group of people from countries that are not required to take this test?
(E.g. UK, Canada, USA, Australia etc?)

I am just curious to know if any studies have been conducted to see how they native english speakers perform on that test.
The typical age groups taking this test would be

17-20 (For undergrads)

22-30 for grads.

Great post !

I wonder what will happen with born-Canadians if CIC begins to accept ONLY people
with master's and PHDs. As many Canadians don't have such high qualifications, they
will have to begin working at restaurants, or doing housekeeping, or baby-sitting.

A society must be a melting-pot of cutures and diverse
social-cultural-economical levels.

Oficios.

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The whole point of this thread is that you can't judge a person by the criteria they set forth in their new laws.

Sure I scored a 47, and I bet my father would have scored about 20, if he where he still alive. He successfully passed grade three and worked all his life and never received a handout.

You can't judge anyone's desire to work or not work by a set of scoresheets.

This country was made by immigrants, including my ancestors, most of who could neither read or write so well, but they weren't afraid to WORK.

And they built this country to what it is, and would be appalled that people were turned away because they can't score 80 points.

There are hard working people everywhere, and there are lazy people everywhere, but this point system is stupid.

I love my native country as much as anyone, but also think that people everywhere deserve a chance.

Forget the 7% unemployment. That is not the fault of the immigrants. That's the fault of the government who chooses to feed the lazy from our pie.

Stop feeding the slothful, and start accepting some real people.

80 points! Forget it. We don't need those 80 point people. We need the 40 point people who are not afraid to work for themselves, and their family, and for all of Canada.

i think eliteism and such is the entire point. i don't think i'd qualify under the
new points scheme, i'd have to go do a masters or get lots more experience. I think
the idea is emphasised by whats been said. There are lots of Canadians who don't meet
the points system, hence there are already lots of blue collar workers and people
doing the 'grunge' jobs as you put it. With unemployment rising slightly it seems
there are not enough of these jobs for the Canadians never mind the immigrants. So
the idea is for immigration to look at what people it needs, like was said before
itisn't an open door policy, the idea is to take into consideration the needs of
Canada and Canadian economy and society, before the needs of the immigrant. So if
they already have plenty of peopel for jobs required less education etc, then they
are bound to say that they don't need any more. They need more highly skilled people
and higher educated people. I think most countries have the same issues, they have
plenty of people who don't bother with any further education and are quite happy with
their jobs, but they have a shortage in higher skilled sectors because less people do
it. So if they have to choose who they let immigrate it makes sense for them to
choose the people they desire most, rather than letting people move to their country
who have no prospects, like was said before, thats tantamount to lying, saying you
qualify and then finding there is no job etc. Even with lower points i recall many a
post of people complaining they came and there were no jobs or the economy sucked
etc. Now i am not saying i personaly agree with this, but i think thats the idea
behind the current thinking, too many backlogged applications, too mnay people lets
just take the people we really need. cruel but sometimes you have to be i guess.
Personaly i think it needs to be evenly balanced, you can't just have only highly
skilled and educated immigrants and noone else cos that isnt really creating a broad
spectrum of cultures and would kinda end up with a weird immigrant social elite. but
you have to have some sort of scheme to distinguish the immigrants you find
desireable for your country, and those you don't. i don't think there was much worng
with the points system they had before , just with the efficiency of processing them
all. but i am not in an y position to dictate immigration policy to the Canadian
government. We should all be happy they let people immigrate at all, because they
don't have to. i mean sure they have little choice because of birth rates etc and the
heritage of a country built on immigration and colonialism, but still they could be a
lot harsher than they are. In the end it's up to what the Canadian people and
government want, and the people elect the government, and so we go with them i guess.

Drew

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Great post Drew,

For those who are interested, here are the Canadian Educational Attainment stats
from 1999.

Population 15+

Education -8 11.0 SomeSecondary 18.4 Graduated from High School 19.3 Some Post
Secondary 8.9 Post Secondary Certificate or Diploma 27.7 University Degree 14.8


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