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Old Apr 11th 2013 | 3:29 am
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Canada ranks 17th in a UNICEF report.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/...ng-report.html

- Top country for druggie kids.
- Only greek and septic kids are fatter.
- Smoke less (unless it's drugs)

(UK did slightly better at 16th)
 
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not surprised at all.
 
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Canada beats the pants off the UK in education (confirming what many other studies report). Everything else is close except health & safety. That must be because of winter sports!

Although I guess it depends on what you read. According to this, Canada is the best country to raise kids in.

http://www.sheknows.ca/parenting/art...-to-raise-kids

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Oh dear...sorry to disappoint again...Canada 6th...UK 9th....and this report was released by a UK-based company:

http://globalnews.ca/news/270351/top...raise-a-child/
 
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Originally Posted by MarylandNed
Although Canada beats the pants off the UK in education. Everything else is close except health & safety. That must be because of winter sports!
I wasn't really interested in the rankings as western countries are all going to be pretty similar. I've not read the actual report and don't know how close the numerical index used to order the list was in each category. I'll leave it up to you to find out if it really is "beats the pants off" or not.

The big deal for Canada is the prevalence of drug use. 28% of 11 to 15 year olds? That's a lot of doped up kids. It's the sort of statistic that should have a tangible influence on government policy.
 
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I wasn't really interested in the rankings as western countries are all going to be pretty similar. I've not read the actual report and don't know how close the numerical index used to order the list was in each category. I'll leave it up to you to find out if it really is "beats the pants off" or not.

The big deal for Canada is the prevalence of drug use. 28% of 11 to 15 year olds? That's a lot of doped up kids. It's the sort of statistic that should have a tangible influence on government policy.
Legalising it, or increasing its war on drugs?
 
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Oh dear...sorry to disappoint again...Canada 6th...UK 9th....and this report was released by a UK-based company:

http://globalnews.ca/news/270351/top...raise-a-child/
I know you've just gone off googling to prove a point but I don't think you actually read that article you posted. It's a PR piece for a charity focused on children in developing countries.

Save the Children’s Child Development Index was launched in 2008. The criteria for its rankings is based on three components: the chances of a child dying before his or her fifth birthday, accessibility to education and how many children are enrolled in school, and nutrition – specifically, are these kids healthy and not underweight.
I don't think anyone in the top 10 list needs to be concerned about access to schooling, malnutrition and infant mortality.
 
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Originally Posted by Alan2005
I wasn't really interested in the rankings as western countries are all going to be pretty similar. I've not read the actual report and don't know how close the numerical index used to order the list was in each category. I'll leave it up to you to find out if it really is "beats the pants off" or not.

The big deal for Canada is the prevalence of drug use. 28% of 11 to 15 year olds? That's a lot of doped up kids. It's the sort of statistic that should have a tangible influence on government policy.
It's a big deal for the UK too:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...gs-league.html
 
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Legalising it, or increasing its war on drugs?
Well the former has never been tried and the latter doesn't work.

Even if it was legalized, you'd still want legislation in place to limit access (like with fags and booze) because cannabis use in teenagers has been linked to mental health and developmental issues. Also 11 year olds aren't really known for making informed choices.
 
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Originally Posted by MarylandNed
Are you reading these things you are googling? The "nearly 40%" is really 36%. The 36% includes alcohol and cigarettes (The comparable figure for the UK is 16/17% in the UNICEF report)

He said: "36% of teenagers in the UK have admitted to taking illegal drugs at some stage.

"But I would like to see a sensible approach to this because it is the legal drugs such as cigarettes and alcohol which lead to the most deaths and illnesses with young people in this country.
The UK definitely has more boozed up kids than Canada and that actually has affected government policy in the UK. So I'm not sure what your point is?

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Originally Posted by Alan2005
I know you've just gone off googling to prove a point but I don't think you actually read that article you posted. It's a PR piece for a charity focused on children in developing countries.



I don't think anyone in the top 10 list needs to be concerned about access to schooling, malnutrition and infant mortality.
Actually I did and I also read the report (see link in article). Canada ranks 6th...UK 9th.
 
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Originally Posted by Alan2005
Well the former has never been tried and the latter doesn't work.

Even if it was legalized, you'd still want legislation in place to limit access (like with fags and booze) because cannabis use in teenagers has been linked to mental health and developmental issues. Also 11 year olds aren't really known for making informed choices.
So what is the government to do?
 
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Originally Posted by MarylandNed
Actually I did and I also read the report (see link in article). Canada ranks 6th...UK 9th.
The difference between 1st and 10th in that will be next to nothing. People in western countries are not concerned about the things that report is measuring at all. Nobody comes to Canada from the UK because infant mortality is some tiny percentage lower.
 
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So what is the government to do?
The obvious answer is to take production out of the hands of criminals who don't care who they sell to because, well, they are criminals.
 
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Originally Posted by Alan2005
The difference between 1st and 10th in that will be next to nothing. People in western countries are not concerned about the things that report is measuring at all. Nobody comes to Canada from the UK because infant mortality is some tiny percentage lower.
You're actually making my point for me. Why do people come to Canada from the UK? Do you have any comment to make about the education numbers from your link? Or are you only interested in numbers that make Canada look bad in comparison to the UK?

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