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How do i get on the internet without a phone line, can i set it up before i land?
Any suggestions welcome.

Should i have kept my UK ISP on until we can get a Canadian one, does that work?

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where i am in bc, you dont need a phone line to get tinternet.

we have no phone but 17meg broadband, puts the uk speeds to shame.

oh and my btinternet email still works 9 months after we cancelled the account :D

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so how do u get it, which company?

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Where will you live in Canada?
Without phone line you'll need to go with Cable. If you own the property already, you can try and order the services online and have it all set up before you land, provided they don't need to come into the house to do the installation.

There are 3 ways you can get internet, Cable, ADSL or Wireless.

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Look at Shaw.ca

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Assuming "wireless" means a stick modem thingy, there's also satellite and microwave. The best option depends on how urban the location is.

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we are going to be living on a campground at first. So i am assuming reception for portable wireless will be poor in between belleville, Peterborough and Oshawa, what u think?

I looked at the stick thing and they have 12 month tie ins,(Rogers), it would be ideal to start of with, but not long term.

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Probably fine. But coverage in that area does have some not spots. (Thats also about 3000 square miles, so not very specific!)

I personally live in a "not spot", between two drumlins NW of Belleville, but 15 yards either way of my property and I get a good cell signal and the rogers wireless dongle thing would work OK....even in my kitchen with a booster it gets a 50 times better than dial up 560kbs...not "broadband" per se, but useable. Thats $40 a month or so. I didnt sign up though as that seems to be the only room in my house I get a usable signal.

If you dont get a signal, services like xplorenet use other technologies, but its more expensive and needs permanent hardpoint installation.

If you have a cell phone, check your signal strength, and if its OK then rogers, telus etc have USB plug ins that should work up to a point, and can be bought there and then.

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I know that with Bell in Ontario you can get Sympatico without having a phone. There does however have to be a phone line to the property.

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Iaink--can I be cheeky and ask what part of Quinte you are in as that is where I am moving back too, and I only could get dial up when I left 10 yrs ago. My husband is adiment we are not having dial up, and as we will be in that "not spot" area, would be interested in what you use?

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I use the connection at work:sneaky:

My not spot is very specific to just my property.. We are too far out to get digital cable or highspeed (phone) internet, so the wirelss USB dongle is the best bet, and failing that the more expensive microwave line of sight or satelite technologies...which so far we have resisted.

Dial up is just not worth the hassle.

FWIW we are near the Trent out near Stirling, but as I said, neighbours have no problem getting a wireless signal, its just our specific location. Down on the county and nearer Belleville for example there are people like KOS providing competing wireless services too... and cable or phone based high speed is an option too. High speed in canada I suspect is not as fast as the UK anyway...there was something on the BBC recently that was comparing differnet nations...Japan is the place to be:)

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I am from the Stirling area :-)

I have used KOS for dial up, and sympatico but they are awful.
we want satellite, as we are out in country and no way we can get broadband.

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Yes there is... if you can get a half decent cell signal at home then you can get way better than dial up for about $40 a month. In Stirling itself I get 5 bars on my phone...at home I get one...if Im lucky!

Satellite is a last resort...it relies on the phone for control and uploading, and tends to be expensive too.

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I doubt that you do. Either go with microwave or a wireless modem from Bell or Rogers.

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microwave? never heard of such a thing

what is it?

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It's a line-of-sight system using devices typically installed on silos, explornet, and zingnet are a couple of providers. If it works where you are it's cheaper and better than satellite. It has some set up costs, less than satellite but still $800 or so. After that it's about twice as much as the basic Bell/Rogers service. I assume that since both Bell and Rogers are shitty companies the actual bill is way bigger than their quoted price and there are all manner of catches and snags with their service, otherwise there'd be no niche for microwave.

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Before the advent of fiber optic transmission, most long distance telephone calls were carried via microwave point-to-point links through sites like the AT&T Long Lines. Starting in the early 1950s, frequency division multiplex was used to send up to 5,400 telephone channels on each microwave radio channel, with as many as ten radio channels combined into one antenna for the hop to the next site, up to 70 km away.
Wireless LAN protocols, such as Bluetooth and the IEEE 802.11 specifications, also use microwaves in the 2.4 GHz ISM band, although 802.11a uses ISM band and U-NII frequencies in the 5 GHz range. Licensed long-range (up to about 25 km) Wireless Internet Access services have been used for almost a decade in many countries in the 3.5–4.0 GHz range. The FCC recently carved out spectrum for carriers that wish to offer services in this range in the U.S.-with emphasis on 3.65GHZ. Dozens of service providers across the country are securing or have already received licenses from the FCC to operate in this band. The WIMAX service offerings that can be carried on the 3.65GHZ band will give business customers another option for connectivity.
Metropolitan Area Networks: MAN protocols, such as WiMAX (Worldwide Interoperability for Microwave Access) based in the IEEE 802.16 specification. The IEEE 802.16 specification was designed to operate between 2 to 11 GHz. The commercial implementations are in the 2.3GHz, 2.5 GHz, 3.5 GHz and 5.8 GHz ranges.
Wide Area Mobile Broadband Wireless Access: MBWA protocols based on standards specifications such as IEEE 802.20 or ATIS/ANSI HC-SDMA (e.g. iBurst) are designed to operate between 1.6 and 2.3 GHz to give mobility and in-building penetration characteristics similar to mobile phones but with vastly greater spectral efficiency.
Cable TV and Internet access on coaxial cable as well as broadcast television use some of the lower microwave frequencies. Some mobile phone networks, like GSM, also use the lower microwave frequencies.
Microwave radio is used in broadcasting and telecommunication transmissions because, due to their short wavelength, highly directive antennas are smaller and therefore more practical than they would be at longer wavelengths (lower frequencies). There is also more bandwidth in the microwave spectrum than in the rest of the radio spectrum; the usable bandwidth below 300 MHz is less than 300 MHz while many GHz can be used above 300 MHz. Typically, microwaves are used in television news to transmit a signal from a remote location to a television station from a specially equipped van.
Most satellite communications systems operate in the C, X, Ka, or Ku Bands of the microwave spectrum. These frequencies allow large bandwidth while avoiding the crowded UHF frequencies and staying below the atmospheric absorption of EHF frequencies. Satellite TV either operates in the C band for the traditional large dish Fixed Satellite Service or Ku band for Direct Broadcast Satellite. Military communications run primarily over X or Ku Band links, with Ka band being used for Milstar

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Little squaerial thing that needs line of sight to the nearest relay station in place of copper transmission lines... Not sure who the local providers are...eagle.ca in northumberland are a friends provider, and I know there is something similar in campbelford... Ive seen a few aerials around, so someone is doing it...

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gonna give it a quick google and see if in our area

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It'll be in the area but you a test at your specific site, the potential provider sends someone to stand in your garden and waggle his equipment. You can't arrange it in advance.

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Its in "the area" for sure, but they need to come out and check for line of sight. Trees / hills etc can get in the way.

The dongle thing is cheaper and more practical I suspect, but again, it depends what your local signal strength is. With the dongle you can take it any place you want to go and potentially have a connection...Xplorenet etc is fixed to your house. I would contact TAS or DeCastris in Belleville. Failing that the Kerbys (Quinte Business Systems) in Stirling were into the satelite thing.

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Oh er Mrs............

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well technically will be in Springbrook out in country, house totally surrounded by trees on all directions...

well from the sounds of things, glad he is paying for it, I did warn him that it was a lot more expensive there then in uk..

didn't know TAS did internet, my friend works there must ask her..

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Im not entirely sure they do, but the guy who came out to us suggested talking to them about improving our reception of the cell signal to make the USB adapter method a better bet... He said a few people had done that, but didnt elaborate.

If she has anything positive to say, let me know!

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TAS are only an answering service but they do provide towers for out of the way areas to their customers as we used them where I used to work...and had to have a tower put up.

will ask my friend

Canada is a great place to live but boy are they behind in internet services and mobile services...electrics all the way round!

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Wow - that's expensive setup! Our microwave high-speed internet provider charges $150 for the installation. We pay just over $63 per month for a pretty slow connection, but it's way faster than dial-up, which is our only alternative (other than satellite, which was far more expensive.)