liftman

Are you saying then, that the Canadian company runs on a consensus basis, rather than a boss giving orders downwards?

Or is it just that everyone questions their "orders"?

is 1. chaos and 2. British Leyland?

willmore

In my opinion, that's one of the major problems in BC.The Liberals were voted in overwhelmingly because the the mess the NDP made.....the lierals made many promises (no tax increases, etc, etc.) and so far have broken every promise they made. Some of the cuts made really hurt the most vulnerable in our society (the mentally/physically challenged) - many of these people are homeless and the govt just doesnt seem to care......all in the aid of a "balanced budget"

We have an election next year and lots of discussion regarding who to vote for.....no one with real leadership ability running. I have heard from lots of people that they are really undecided whether they will vote at all and if they do who to vote for.......can't vote Liberal.......


One of the reasons fewer people are voting in Canada, is because so many don't believe that the politicians will keep their promises. If politicians don't feel bound by what they promise, does it make a lot of sense to vote in the first place?[/QUOTE]

Glaswegian

The class system is an English problem, not a UK problem. I wasn't so keenly aware of it growing up in Scotland - you worked hard, you went to university and life was good. I moved to England (should have been Canada, I was young and dumb, I really regret it) and experienced a two speed education system for the first time - Oxbridge and everyone else.

Show initiative?!!!
But you didn't ASK me to show initiative!!!

willmore

Well, could you tell them to "hurry up" please - the world could certainly use some "peace" right about now!!!!!! (and of course another Wayne Gretsky)

Expressed as only a stats prof could (with a dry sense of humour of course)......in fact I use stats all the time as a marine biologist (but I still hate it). It actually wasn't the chartered accountant I was "picking on" - I have only the deepest sympathy for her being married to someone not knowing the finer art of chocolate (my husband's exactly the same way)!!!

[QUOTE=oceanMDX]If politicians don't feel bound by what they promise, does it make a lot of sense to vote in the first place?

liftman

dingbat

The Gove report recommendations are based IN THEIR ENTIRETY on the Jasmine Beckford report from the UK in the eighties. The policy and practice standards that were put in place because of Gove are carbon copies of UK policy and practice standards. The UK is even credited as the source in the books. The LAC booklets used even now in BC are British. Apologies for spelling Matthew's name incorrectly. Yes he was failed, by society as well as social workers.

oceanMDX

I read through the Gove Report (executive summary), and I don't see any mention of the Jasmine Beckford Report or even anything about the UK. Perhaps I missed the page it was on. Could you tell me on what page findings from the Uk are taken into consideration? Here's the executive summary of the report:

http://www.qp.gov.bc.ca/gove/

I looks like BC came up with its own ideas for change based on findings from within BC.

flashman

I am not familiar with the British Leyland scenario but here's some pointers.

1) Micro management (especially to assert authority) is not encouraged.
2) Managers don't "Give Orders" they make requests, set requirements/objectives etc.
3) Requests must be logical. Any that don't make sense will be challenged.
4) Leadership skills are more useful than management skills.

dingbat

Report into the death of Jasmine Beckford written by Sir Louis Blom-Cooper QC is nearly twenty years old. Since you seem to have time on your hands, do dig it out of the library (you will need to order it) and read it. Then tell me Gove was original.

thornhill

when the pe_ing contest is finished, perhaps we under educated people can have their say.
By the way for the degree snobs, a certified tradesperson has now and in the next ten years the potential to earn as much as a Grad.(Michael Walker of the Fraser Institute).there is alot of people came to Canada with high hopes of the good life. to have there dreams dashed by an Educated class system.
I started my working life in a colliery at 15,and I've owned a mine service company employing P.eng's, Phd's several M.A.'s most of them were great people some were educated but stupid.Time to lose the snobbery that most of us left to come to Canada.I've worked in Africa, North America, South America and served in the Gulf. and have met a lot of smart people that cannot read or write.

thornhill

I think it is pretty normal to think of home ,often the good times come to mind first, instead of the all to many hard times,why I don't know,
periodicaly I think of packing up even though I know life would be a little tougher but probally temperd by the close knit family. work wise I don't think that I would have a problem.It's definatly a differant life but is it one that we could go back too (thats the question we all ask our selves every now and then)
I've been here in B.C. for 20 years and I think as Canadians loose the niavity that seemed to be prevelent in the early eighties this country is changing to be more like the States, and for the worse.(As is the U.K. as the E.U. swallows up the local culture for a global type thinking)
Just My thoughts

flashman

From what I've been able to determine it seems like the UK is becoming far more Americanized than Canada. Emphasis on materialism, consumerism, superficiality, celebrity fascination etc.

thornhill

maybe in the major centers do you see comercialisim, as for Americanised, there is no way that the U.K is ahead of Canada.Got to have filters on if you can't see that.perhaps you should go over and see,spend some time, get to know the people instead of spouting the anti-Brit sentiment that we are fed up of hearing.As Global marketing takes over eventually independant cultures are going to rub-off on each other.

flashman

It's unfortunate that you interpret my comments as anti-Brit any more than yours regarding Americanization of Canada can be interpreted as anti-Canadian.

IN fact, research from Environics indicated that Canadian and US values are growing further apart according to http://erg.environics.net/fire_ice/

also an article in today's Globe and Mail indicates that Canada seems to be closer to the values of the EU than the USA.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl...ent/TopStories

while the UK doesn't seem to be too keen on the EU.

thornhill

apologies for the Anti-Brit comment.just Fedup with the retoric
Out of all the provinces Quebec excluded (only because I have not spent any real amount of time their), B.C. and Ontario are particularly bad for this sentiment.I have worked in all provices and teritories except Quebec.

The Globe and Mail is irrevelant to most people living in B.C. due to it's polerised central Canada views,saying that it is a lot better than it used to be.
I have found that most of my nephews and nieces ( 10 ) that are living in B.C. that are of school age they are far more aware of U.S. politics, Foreign policy.than that of Canada, this was because their text books and exams were based on an American model, Most could not name three past Prime Ministers, None could name a British prime Minister.Not because they are stupid, but because they were not taught any thing but Americanisim.

As for Britain not being to keen on the E.U. you are probably right
and that would be tha case until Britons were made aware of the cost of withdrawl.The whole system is a nightmare, very few of the original 10 or so benifited except France and Germany. ( a bit like the Fed's have and havenot policy). I was there in the late seventies and early eighties when Maggie gutted Scotland and the North of England to get Industry to the South, in order to make easier for access to europe.

I do agree that there appears to be more of a drift between Canada and the U.S. at the moment but we have seen them before.That would change in the next election should a more pro U.S. gov were to be in power. nothing will really change untill Canada is willing to re-establish control over it's Sovergnty instead of generaly acting like another U.S. territory/state.