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Paul Wildy Jul 4th 2007 7:22 am

Re: Halifax
 

Originally Posted by Novocastrian (Post 5009078)
(1) It says post-secondary, not post-graduate. NSPaul, youand dbd33 have been debating a point which isn't even claimed i.e. high levels of post-graduates.

(2) 5 of the top 11 universities in Canada? Poppycock. Apart from Dalhousie, I can't think of any others in Nova Scotia. Can you name the other 4 please?

not sure what you mean about point 1) - we were talking about undergratuate, soon to graduate, recently graduated, post-secondary or whatever you want to call it.

The other Universities that appear in the Macleans league table are (an in fact Dalhousie is not one of them even though it does have an excelent reputation:

St Francis Xavier - ranked #1
Acadia - ranked #3
St Mary's - ranked #9
Mount St Vincent - ranked #11
Cape Breton - ranked #13

Mount Alison (actually in NB but very near the NS border ranks #2). Most of the others in the top 10 are also from other Atlantic provinces (NB, PEI and NF)

There are 11 universities in total in NS so I don't know why it is that you have only heard of Dalhousie. Almost certainly you wont believe me so have a look at http://www.macleans.ca/education/uni..._undergrad.pdf

This is exactly the kind of thing I am talking about - people with all sorts of preconceptions about Nova Scotia who actually know nothing about the place!

Paul Wildy Jul 4th 2007 7:26 am

Re: Halifax
 

Originally Posted by Southcote (Post 5008746)
Interesting point. We are trying to decide upon Vancouver or Halifax. Whilst we much referred the property prices in Halifax, our one reservation is opprtunities for our children when they are old enough to venture into the world of employment.

I think it depends on what age they are. If they are 1 or 2 years away from starting work then its something to factor in but as others have said the chances are you wont be able to persuade them any way - they will go where they want. If you lived in Vancouver they might move to Halifax and vice versa. A lot can change over time - if your children are young then chances are that with the speed it is growing Halifax may offer as much choice in many years time. And then there is housing cost to consider - if they don't already live in Vancouver (i.e. have a load of equity in a house) then will they struggle to get on the housing ladder even with good jobs?

I think dbd33 is right - you should choose for yourselves. Trying to predict what your kids will want is really a tall order.

dbd33 Jul 4th 2007 7:27 am

Re: Halifax
 

Originally Posted by NSpaul (Post 5009192)
not sure what you mean about point 1) - we were talking about undergratuate, soon to graduate, recently graduated, post-secondary or whatever you want to call it.

The other Universities that appear in the Macleans league table are (an in fact Dalhousie is not one of them even though it does have an excelent reputation:

St Francis Xavier - ranked #1
Acadia - ranked #3
St Mary's - ranked #9
Mount St Vincent - ranked #11
Cape Breton - ranked #13

Mount Alison (actually in NB but very near the NS border ranks #2). Most of the others in the top 10 are also from other Atlantic provinces (NB, PEI and NF)

There are 11 universities in total in NS so I don't know why it is that you have only heard of Dalhousie. Almost certainly you wont believe me so have a look at http://www.macleans.ca/education/uni..._undergrad.pdf

This is exactly the kind of thing I am talking about - people with all sorts of preconceptions about Nova Scotia who actually know nothing about the place!

That's a bit of a funny chart, innit? There are other schools in Canada with stellar reputations depending on the field; McGill, Guelph, McMaster, UBC, UofT, UWO even that York place. Something wrong with this picture.

Paul Wildy Jul 4th 2007 7:37 am

Re: Halifax
 

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 5009216)
That's a bit of a funny chart, innit? There are other schools in Canada with stellar reputations depending on the field; McGill, Guelph, McMaster, UBC, UofT, UWO even that York place. Something wrong with this picture.

So are you saying this is yet another piece of research that has been subversively devised by Atlantic conspirators? Along with that other study that ranked Halifax 2nd best place to live in Canada (http://www.canadianbusiness.com/rank...olive/list.jsp) - I seem to recall that you didn't believ that one either

Novocastrian Jul 4th 2007 7:50 am

Re: Halifax
 

Originally Posted by NSpaul (Post 5009192)
not sure what you mean about point 1) - we were talking about undergratuate, soon to graduate, recently graduated, post-secondary or whatever you want to call it.

The other Universities that appear in the Macleans league table are (an in fact Dalhousie is not one of them even though it does have an excelent reputation:

St Francis Xavier - ranked #1
Acadia - ranked #3
St Mary's - ranked #9
Mount St Vincent - ranked #11
Cape Breton - ranked #13

Mount Alison (actually in NB but very near the NS border ranks #2). Most of the others in the top 10 are also from other Atlantic provinces (NB, PEI and NF)

There are 11 universities in total in NS so I don't know why it is that you have only heard of Dalhousie. Almost certainly you wont believe me so have a look at http://www.macleans.ca/education/uni..._undergrad.pdf

This is exactly the kind of thing I am talking about - people with all sorts of preconceptions about Nova Scotia who actually know nothing about the place!

Nspaul, the reason why Dalhousie isn't in that list, is because it is a list of "Primarily Undergraduate Universities". These are not top tier institutions. They are more along the lines of degree granting colleges. Real Universities (like Dalhousie, but to my knowledge, no others in Nova Scotia), have graduate programmes, award PhD's and do top class research. Because of this they attract competent faculty.

This is exactly the kind of thing I am talking about - people with all sorts of preconceptions about education who actually know nothing about the subject!

dbd33 Jul 4th 2007 7:55 am

Re: Halifax
 

Originally Posted by NSpaul (Post 5009258)
So are you saying this is yet another piece of research that has been subversively devised by Atlantic conspirators? Along with that other study that ranked Halifax 2nd best place to live in Canada (http://www.canadianbusiness.com/rank...olive/list.jsp) - I seem to recall that you didn't believ that one either


iirc correctly my quibble with the early survey was unrelated to Halifax. I thought it incredible because it ranked Gander as a viable place to live and I've been to Gander.

Novocastrian Jul 4th 2007 7:56 am

Re: Halifax
 

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 5009216)
That's a bit of a funny chart, innit? There are other schools in Canada with stellar reputations depending on the field; McGill, Guelph, McMaster, UBC, UofT, UWO even that York place. Something wrong with this picture.

To be fair Dalhousie U Alberta, U Calgary, Laval and maybe one or two others should come before that last one you mention.

Howard1944 Jul 4th 2007 7:57 am

Re: Halifax
 
Mc Leans survey is a joke, some Universities don't even respond, to place any Maritime University in top tier makes no sense.

Ontario kids who can't make it into an Ontario University head down East.

Halifax is still a delightful city, too bad it doesn't have Vancouver's backdrop.

Novocastrian Jul 4th 2007 7:58 am

Re: Halifax
 

Originally Posted by Howard1944 (Post 5009370)
Mc Leans survey is a joke, some Universities don't even respond, to place any Maritime University in top tier makes no sense.

Ontario kids who can't make it into an Ontario University head down East.

Halifax is still a delightful city, too bad it doesn't have Vancouver's backdrop.

Except Dalhousie.

Paul Wildy Jul 4th 2007 8:02 am

Re: Halifax
 

Originally Posted by Novocastrian (Post 5009313)
Nspaul, the reason why Dalhousie isn't in that list, is because it is a list of "Primarily Undergraduate Universities". These are not top tier institutions. They are more along the lines of degree granting colleges. Real Universities (like Dalhousie, but to my knowledge, no others in Nova Scotia), have graduate programmes, award PhD's and do top class research. Because of this they attract competent faculty.

This is exactly the kind of thing I am talking about - people with all sorts of preconceptions about education who actually know nothing about the subject!

So are you saying that "primarily undergraduate" universities don't count? Even though the vast majority of people who plan to attend a university will be doing an undegraduate (or first) degree? Of course some will go on to do Masters and PhD but the numbers will be relatively small in comparrison. But according to you the several hundred thousand undergraduates who enroll in good universities each year are unwittingly just choosing a "degree granting college" because the institution doesn't have the best PhD program (even though they only want to do a BA or BSc)?

dbd33 Jul 4th 2007 8:05 am

Re: Halifax
 

Originally Posted by Howard1944 (Post 5009370)
Ontario kids who can't make it into an Ontario University head down East.

That is *so* not always the case.

dbd33 Jul 4th 2007 8:07 am

Re: Halifax
 

Originally Posted by Novocastrian (Post 5009381)
Except Dalhousie.

I'm told people at King's look down on Dal as being the place of hoi polloi.

Paul Wildy Jul 4th 2007 8:11 am

Re: Halifax
 

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 5009426)
That is *so* not always the case.

Agreed. I just noticed Howard1944 "slagging off" Manitoba in another thread. Apparently anywhere that doesn't include the word "Ontario" in the name of the province is no good to him. Just goes to show that being born in 1944 (ah, see we cracked your clever little code Howard) doesn't necessarily give you any wisdom.

dbd33 Jul 4th 2007 8:21 am

Re: Halifax
 

Originally Posted by NSpaul (Post 5009445)
Agreed. I just noticed Howard1944 "slagging off" Manitoba in another thread. Apparently anywhere that doesn't include the word "Ontario" in the name of the province is no good to him. Just goes to show that being born in 1944 (ah, see we cracked your clever little code Howard) doesn't necessarily give you any wisdom.

Choice of university for undergrad is a complex business, the list you used is flawed because no one would consider only schools without post-grad programs. The standard required for admission varies with the course as well as with the school and the cost of the course is a big factor in choosing a university; out of province schools are more expensive. Thus, it's daft to say that "Ontario kids who can't make it into an Ontario University head down East." That's probably not true of students choosing Dal. over Lakehead or Trent but none of this simple.

Novocastrian Jul 4th 2007 11:28 am

Re: Halifax
 

Originally Posted by NSpaul (Post 5009405)
So are you saying that "primarily undergraduate" universities don't count?

Not exactly, I'm simply saying that they don't count towards the "top 11 universities in Canada".

I'm not sure why you're being so aggressive here. I've said nothing negative about Halifax, I've just pointed out some flaws in your post praising the place.


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