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dbd33 Jul 16th 2018 11:19 pm

Re: Food differences (i.e. where's the bacon?)
 

Originally Posted by scilly (Post 12534035)


If you're living in Canada, surely it would be considerate of you to use the correct names for the peoples, whether immigrant or the original inhabitants?

If that aimed at me, I work with many people from India. They call themselves Indians. They are Indians, their car pool is called the Force India Pool. If I mean all people who look as if they might have come from India then that's Asian, British usage, not to be confused with Asian, American usage which is people who look as if they might have come from China.

I work with a couple of aboriginal people (they don't use "Canadian" because they try not to recognize the imposter state). They call themselves Injuns but, as I say, that' reclaimed language and not for outsiders.

The term East Indian seems to be a result of some sort of failing in the Canadian educational system, it seems to refer to anyone who isn't white and isn't in an advert for Rum.

caretaker Jul 17th 2018 1:19 am

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When the Taino people rescued Columbus he was lost at sea.

bats Jul 17th 2018 2:36 am

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East Indian always sounds very colonial to me. Clive of India, East India Company stuff.
People from India are Indians. There's no need to use East Indian to distinguish from First Nations people as nobody in their right mind would call them Indians.

scrubbedexpat091 Jul 17th 2018 2:48 am

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Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 12534173)
If that aimed at me, I work with many people from India. They call themselves Indians. They are Indians, their car pool is called the Force India Pool. If I mean all people who look as if they might have come from India then that's Asian, British usage, not to be confused with Asian, American usage which is people who look as if they might have come from China.

I work with a couple of aboriginal people (they don't use "Canadian" because they try not to recognize the imposter state). They call themselves Injuns but, as I say, that' reclaimed language and not for outsiders.

The term East Indian seems to be a result of some sort of failing in the Canadian educational system, it seems to refer to anyone who isn't white and isn't in an advert for Rum.


I work with a fair amount of people who were born in India and I have asked them about this, they all said they are Indian.

It can get confusing at times what people prefer to be called.

In Canada Indigenous seems to be the preferred term for those of Native decent, except up north where Inuit seems preferred.

In the US it really varies even more, some tribes and people prefer to be called Native American's, some prefer to be called Native Indian's. The tribe I am registered to uses Native American, many of the tribes in California though prefer the term Indian and use it in all of their official documents and references.

In Canada Eskimo is considered derogatory, but in Alaska is still an accepted term. Alaska Airlines even has an image of an Eskimo on the tails of their aircraft and while they have considered replacing it a few times over the past 30 years, each time word has gotten out of the idea of replacing it, people in Alaska have been very vocal about it, so the airline has never removed the imagine, although its been modernized a bit over the years.

Inuit in Alaska is used to only refer to peoples of Inupiat origin and calling other groups of Alaska Native's Inuit can be considered offensive.

caretaker Jul 17th 2018 4:17 am

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Originally Posted by Jsmth321 (Post 12534306)
In Canada Indigenous seems to be the preferred term for those of Native decent, except up north where Inuit seems preferred.

Only preferred among the Inuit people (formerly Eskimos).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indige...f_the_Americas
There are different cultures and languages spread from coast to coast to coast but pre-contact they had alliances and a trade network that covered the continent from the Arctic to Mexico. Not bad for people that lacked the wheel, and until the Spanish came had no horses.
The traditional foods are varied as well, and some have become very popular with settlers.

nanite2000 Jul 18th 2018 11:35 am

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Just wanted to say thanks to everyone for the advice - this has been a helpful and interesting read.

Oh, except this guy:


Originally Posted by Aviator (Post 12533744)
Or just suck it up, you moved to Canada, start buying Canadian and get used to it. Makes life a whole lot easier.

Yea...that wasn't really very helpful was it? Depending on how reductive you want to go, you might as well remove the whole britishexpats.com website since they all chose to live here so should just suck it up and deal with it, amirite?

You could have said something like: "There aren't really any Canadian equivalents to what you're asking, so get stuck in and embrace the new stuff.". But instead you chose to be dismissive and rude.

scilly Jul 18th 2018 11:55 am

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Originally Posted by nanite2000 (Post 12535265)
Just wanted to say thanks to everyone for the advice - this has been a helpful and interesting read.

Oh, except this guy:



Yea...that wasn't really very helpful was it? Depending on how reductive you want to go, you might as well remove the whole britishexpats.com website since they all chose to live here so should just suck it up and deal with it, amirite?

You could have said something like: "There aren't really any Canadian equivalents to what you're asking, so get stuck in and embrace the new stuff.". But instead you chose to be dismissive and rude.

and you had no need to reply in the way that you did!

Several of us said the same thing in different ways.

You've moved to Canada, foods are different over here. If all you want is British food, then you might as well have stayed in England!

The fact that Canada was once a colony of England means sweet fanny adam now!

So, yes, you have to learn to adapt, and find alternatives ......... which is all that Aviator meant!

You also have to learn to accept the way that different people post on this site!

dbd33 Jul 18th 2018 12:02 pm

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Originally Posted by nanite2000 (Post 12535265)
Just wanted to say thanks to everyone for the advice - this has been a helpful and interesting read.

Oh, except this guy:



Yea...that wasn't really very helpful was it? Depending on how reductive you want to go, you might as well remove the whole britishexpats.com website since they all chose to live here so should just suck it up and deal with it, amirite?

You could have said something like: "There aren't really any Canadian equivalents to what you're asking, so get stuck in and embrace the new stuff.". But instead you chose to be dismissive and rude.

I suggest giving everyone's food a go, not many people here are "Canadian" anyway. I think the best thing about Toronto is that you can find almost any type of food being served by a native of the country of the food. Supermarket food varies by neighbourhood, Loblaws has many more British items in Port Credit, Orangeville and the Beach than it does at, say, Bathurst and Lawrence or in Markham. I find it fun to see strange foods and to try and work out what people do with them so I don't need to always go to the Brit friendly shops; still it's good to know that Bulk Barn at Christmas is the place for Quality Street.

Aviator Jul 18th 2018 12:14 pm

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This fella did not get the bacon https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-devon-44874908

caretaker Jul 18th 2018 8:22 pm

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Originally Posted by Aviator (Post 12535278)

That's a food difference for sure! What he could expect (on some airlines) instead of a fine would be an emergency landing, getting beat up and dragged off the plane and jail. I just buckle up and take my coffee or juice and cookies and enjoy the view. There used to be a law in Canada that the airline had to give you a meal every time the plane took off, (even Trans-Air had sandwiches on the Twin Otters up north) but it wasn't usually very good.

bats Jul 19th 2018 1:09 am

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Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 12535272)
I suggest giving everyone's food a go, not many people here are "Canadian" anyway. I think the best thing about Toronto is that you can find almost any type of food being served by a native of the country of the food. Supermarket food varies by neighbourhood, Loblaws has many more British items in Port Credit, Orangeville and the Beach than it does at, say, Bathurst and Lawrence or in Markham. I find it fun to see strange foods and to try and work out what people do with them so I don't need to always go to the Brit friendly shops; still it's good to know that Bulk Barn at Christmas is the place for Quality Street.

that's pretty much what our citizenship judge said but without specific mention of Quality Street. She said something to the effect of
"Never forget where you came from. Embrace being Canadian and the cultural variety that offers. Go down The Danforth and try everything"

its ts harder to find multi cultural experiences in Peterborough and surrounds, especially surrounds, but we do occasionally .head to Scarborough for different stuff

BristolUK Jul 19th 2018 5:27 am

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Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 12535272)
...it's good to know that Bulk Barn at Christmas is the place for Quality Street.

I think almost anywhere's good for that. Shoppers and Lawtons pharmacy chains (not sure for Jean Coutu) Sobeys and Superstore, Giant Tiger, Co-op.

I don't think Bulk Barn works out any cheaper than the offers.

Superstore/Loblaws has an alternative that I believe may be Roses.

dbd33 Jul 19th 2018 5:45 am

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Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 12535698)
I think almost anywhere's good for that. Shoppers and Lawtons pharmacy chains (not sure for Jean Coutu) Sobeys and Superstore, Giant Tiger, Co-op.

I don't think Bulk Barn works out any cheaper than the offers.

Superstore/Loblaws has an alternative that I believe may be Roses.

Bulk Barn has wheelie bins full of loose Quality Street and they allow customers to bring their own wheelbarrows and shovels. Does "almost anywhere" do that or do that they have pathetic little tins of sweets that won't last as far as the car, never mind the journey home?

Almost Canadian Jul 19th 2018 5:55 am

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Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 12535708)
Bulk Barn has wheelie bins full of loose Quality Street and they allow customers to bring their own wheelbarrows and shovels. Does "almost anywhere" do that or do that they have pathetic little tins of sweets that won't last as far as the car, never mind the journey home?

That wouldn't work for me. I would spend hours digging out all the green triangles purple nutty ones - leaving all the soft centred ones!

BristolUK Jul 19th 2018 6:16 am

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Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 12535708)
Bulk Barn has wheelie bins full of loose Quality Street and they allow customers to bring their own wheelbarrows and shovels. Does "almost anywhere" do that or do that they have pathetic little tins of sweets that won't last as far as the car, never mind the journey home?

Depends what you call little. It's been a while since I saw the 1kg tins, but 725 is the norm these days


Originally Posted by Almost Canadian (Post 12535712)
That wouldn't work for me. I would spend hours digging out all the green triangles purple nutty ones - leaving all the soft centred ones!

:nod:
Who wants the rubbishy ones? Judging by the lack of choice when I last looked, everyone is doing the same thing.


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