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Old Nov 17th 2008 | 7:21 am
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So, i keep checking flight costs to Kamloops, BC so as to keep track of if they are coming up or down anytime soon, and i though i'd do a little search going via US, and to fly London to Seattle, then Van, then Kamloops it works out cheaper than London-Van-Kamloops. Why is this? And why if you want to book one-way tickets is it more expensive than a return? (Except if going with transat/canadian affair the only ones who seem to sell "single" tickets)

Sorry to be ranting, but it makes me so mad, when i went to BC in 2005 in cost a couple of hundred pounds, now its 4/5 times that.
 
Old Nov 17th 2008 | 7:39 am
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The short answer is thare are only 35M people in Canada vs 350M people in the US.

More air travel in the US makes air travel via the US cheaper.

There is an element of gouging in the canadian market, but basically it comes down to the fact that Canada is a small market, so there really isnt enough volume for competition to thrive and push overheads and prices lower. Tax and regulatory overheads probably come into it too.

Exchange rates, oil prices, regulatory fees have all changed since 2005.
 
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Although this doesnt really help as we are arriving at Ottawa, i booked our tickets with Air Canada leaving 8/12 and arriving back in the UK on April 16th 2009 (i have no intentions of returning) .. this came to £1088 for me and the 2 boys .. had i booked to return a week later, well the cost was through the roof .. check airlines possibly for a return date months ahead .. you may just get a cheaper flight ..
 
Old Nov 17th 2008 | 7:48 am
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Thanks for that, i suppose a return later in the year is more likely to get used. I like the fact that i can get a single from canadian affair, but having flown on AC it just seemed nicer in general, mind you flown transat which isn't actually as bad as people make out, at least not for me, but it jsut seems to be thomas cook flights avail on the website at the mo. Maybe something happening at transat??
 
Old Nov 17th 2008 | 7:53 am
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Originally Posted by pip_is_fab
Maybe something happening at transat??
The budget airlines serving Canada have been a bit wonky lately. There was the case of Zoom, for instance.
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We had the same thing with our flights.

Its was about £900pp one way but about £600pp return. We got the return flights and will be using them to see family in June.
 
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Originally Posted by pip_is_fab
Maybe something happening at transat??
Air Transat is likely concentrating on routes that make money in the winter i.e. heading to warmer climes.
 
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Originally Posted by Steve_P
Air Transat is likely concentrating on routes that make money in the winter i.e. heading to warmer climes.
I hope they're concentrating. I've just given them shedloads of money.
 
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We were told that October/November time is funny. End of Summer and not quite Winter holiday period.
 
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I hope they're concentrating. I've just given them shedloads of money.
Hopefully this might make you feel a little better.

It's a cut and paste from a comment in an aviation forum back when ZOOM went t*ts up.

My emphasis on the bold bit.

however for the sake of the new kids reading...I'm also going to make it simple reading for the masses;

Transat is horizontally integrated. Zoom was vertically. Groupe Transat feeds off of the next sister company to the left or right, front and back. However any one sister company in Groupe Transat will never be in a position to threaten the Groupe from failure like a house of cards should one single company fall short of its fiscal targets.

AirTransat Airlines is just a necessary vehicle operated at cost and not expected to turn a profit...however is not expected to be in the red either. It is there to be used by the Tour Operating machine (Already owned by the Groupe). Brilliant concept...not used enough in this industry.

And one more thing about the success of Groupe Transat...it stays out of the way of Air Canada by focussing on "packages" with its sister tour operators. AND those sun destination resorts ARE OWNED BY Groupe Transat. Yes they own many resorts thus closing the loop on the consumer. It's an all Transat experience.
 
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Originally Posted by pip_is_fab
So, i keep checking flight costs to Kamloops, BC so as to keep track of if they are coming up or down anytime soon, and i though i'd do a little search going via US, and to fly London to Seattle, then Van, then Kamloops it works out cheaper than London-Van-Kamloops. Why is this? And why if you want to book one-way tickets is it more expensive than a return? (Except if going with transat/canadian affair the only ones who seem to sell "single" tickets)

Sorry to be ranting, but it makes me so mad, when i went to BC in 2005 in cost a couple of hundred pounds, now its 4/5 times that.
The reason for scheduled airlines (BA, Air Canada) having more expensive one way fares is that they are fully flexible fares, whereas your cheepy return tickets are normally non-changeable/non refundable. The more you pay the more "flexibility" you have. No such thing as a cheepy oneway on BA/AC have to go charter to get that.
 
Old Nov 17th 2008 | 10:12 am
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Originally Posted by Steve_P
It's a cut and paste from a comment in an aviation forum back when ZOOM went t*ts up.
Thanks for that explanation, Steve. I didn't know about that difference between AirTransat and Zoom. AirTransat's model certainly does look more sustainable than Zoom's was.
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why dont you fly London heathrow to seattle then drive to Kamloops! you can get return flights for around £350 who needs single flights!
 
Old Nov 17th 2008 | 10:37 pm
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Originally Posted by scottymallo
why dont you fly London heathrow to seattle then drive to Kamloops! you can get return flights for around £350 who needs single flights!
I am certainly now considering flying to Seattle, but even to fly to Kamloops it was only an extra £160. I will need to land next time we go, can i do this even driving across the border?
 
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speaking of extortionate flight prices perhaps someone can answer this question for me...

I booked an Air Canada flight from Halifax to London in early September. At the time the oil price was through the roof and although the fare was only about $500 they added a $320 fuel surcharge on. The actual fare breakdown is as follows:

Base Fare 478.00
No Aeroplan miles -15.00
No Aeroplan miles -15.00
Fuel Surcharge 320.00
Canada Airport Improvement Fee 10.00
Air Travellers Security Charge (ATSC) 17.00
Canada Harmonized Sales Tax 1.30
U.K. Passenger Service Charge 37.07
U.K. Air Passenger Duty 75.27
Total airfare and taxes before options (per passenger) 908.64

But recently I hear on the news that Air Canada, along with other airlines, have dropped their fuel surcharges. And since the price of oil is now low again when I actually travel (next week) I shouldnt really have to pay a fuel surcharge should I?

Does anyone know if I can get this surcharge back and how to go about it?
 


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