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jimf May 26th 2010 6:36 am

Re: Exchange rate
 
This is quite a good summary of the Eurozone economies with UK included for comparison.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/10150007.stm

helcat12 May 26th 2010 6:54 am

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Originally Posted by jimf (Post 8581147)
It's sentiment on the US dollar and Euro that drives the markets. GBP and $CAN have trivial influence by comparison.

As US$ has gone down commodities priced in US$ have gone up so suppliers like Canada have gone up. As the US$ is now going up and commodities going down the $CAN is going down.

As the sovereign debt issue in the Eurozone is looking worse each day traders are selling Euros and buying $US. High debt in the Eurozone means no growth and no spending on imports. UK does most exporting to the Eurozone these days - if they have less money for imports the UK will export less so negative sentiment for the GBP also.

Looks like Cameron can exercise a veto on this.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...eaty-plan.html

And there's this about Great Depression II. Japan's credit is to be downgraded according to rumours.
http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/cit...592c21529.html

SOOOOOOOO.........
Can I afford that house in Vancouver in a years time when my PR comes through or not?:confused:
Or I might change my mind and rent so I can afford to spend $300 a week on beer:eek:

Alan2005 May 26th 2010 7:17 am

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Originally Posted by helcat12 (Post 8591931)
SOOOOOOOO.........
Can I afford that house in Vancouver in a years time when my PR comes through or not?:confused:
Or I might change my mind and rent so I can afford to spend $300 a week on beer:eek:

Bank of canada are predicting a 10% or so decline over the next couple of years. I suspect this is code for 'we won't be putting interest rates up that much'.

JamesM May 26th 2010 7:19 am

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Originally Posted by helcat12 (Post 8591931)
SOOOOOOOO.........
Can I afford that house in Vancouver in a years time when my PR comes through or not?:confused:
Or I might change my mind and rent so I can afford to spend $300 a week on beer:eek:

I would expect the property bubble in Canada will have more to do with whether you can afford a property than the exchange rate.

JamesM May 27th 2010 3:32 am

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Originally Posted by JamesM (Post 8591970)
I would expect the property bubble in Canada will have more to do with whether you can afford a property than the exchange rate.

The strong loonie has started to take it's toll on Canadian businesses:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe...rticle1582453/

jimf May 27th 2010 3:54 am

Re: Exchange rate
 

Originally Posted by Alan2005 (Post 8591964)
Bank of canada are predicting a 10% or so decline over the next couple of years. I suspect this is code for 'we won't be putting interest rates up that much'.

Is that 10% average decline in house prices across Canada? If they are admitting to that it'll probably be worse.

Does the Bank of Canada set interest rates to meet an inflation target as in the UK or is there some other mechanism? I though the suggestion was Canadian interest rates would be heading up during the summer?

Alan2005 May 27th 2010 4:00 am

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Originally Posted by jimf (Post 8593937)
Is that 10% average decline in house prices across Canada? If they are admitting to that it'll probably be worse.

Does the Bank of Canada set interest rates to meet an inflation target as in the UK or is there some other mechanism? I though the suggestion was Canadian interest rates would be heading up during the summer?

It was 10% across Canada. I do think interest rates will go up (they are far too low right now imo) just not by that much. I would be very pleased to see a several 0.5% increases this year as, but I expect we will only see one or maybe two 0.25% ones over the next 12 months. I don't have any grounds for this view other than my cynicism that short term politics will trump the long term economic outlook every time.

JonboyE May 27th 2010 4:10 am

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Originally Posted by jimf (Post 8593937)
Does the Bank of Canada set interest rates to meet an inflation target as in the UK

Yes. Monetary policy is to keep inflation in the 1% to 3% range and target 2%.

TheBear May 27th 2010 4:12 am

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I suspect that the markets will dictate. I don't see any reason why IRs should go quickly upwards in Canada, they won't become the focus of currency bears (or pack of dogs); if they go into recession, they will just keep them where they are; I don't think the economy will boom much longer as things are about to turn ugly globally again. If anything Canada, like the US, may have to worry about deflation in the medium term, I especially hope this applies to house prices!

That CIBC statement of 10%, I suspect Vancouver is vulnerable to bigger downturn, and places like Montreal to hardly any falls, flattening things out somewhat.

I'm going to Toronto on Saturday, glad I moved a load of cash over there at $1.90, would really hurt changing sterling now!

Alan2005 May 27th 2010 4:32 am

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Originally Posted by JonboyE (Post 8593956)
Yes. Monetary policy is to keep CPI in the 1% to 3% range and target 2%.

I'll just fix that for you.

Mike Gas May 27th 2010 4:39 am

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Originally Posted by Alan2005 (Post 8593990)
I'll just fix that for you.

That’s a lot of the trouble most of these official figures the governments pump out may as well be made up numbers, as they will manipulate them to tell any story they wish.

Alan2005 May 27th 2010 4:55 am

Re: Exchange rate
 

Originally Posted by Mike Gas (Post 8594001)
That’s a lot of the trouble most of these official figures the governments pump out may as well be made up numbers, as they will manipulate them to tell any story they wish.

I have no doubts that CPI measures what it measures accurately. Whether or not the basket of goods reflects what typical Canadians buy is however debatable. I'd also add that the inclusion of mortgage interest in the calculation of CPI is wrong - I can see the arguments for it but I don't agree with them.

jimf May 27th 2010 5:37 am

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Originally Posted by Alan2005 (Post 8594018)
I have no doubts that CPI measures what it measures accurately. Whether or not the basket of goods reflects what typical Canadians buy is however debatable. I'd also add that the inclusion of mortgage interest in the calculation of CPI is wrong - I can see the arguments for it but I don't agree with them.

Including mortgage interest means as the interest rate rises that element of measured inflation would actually rise, the reverse of what is intended. Is that why you don't agree with including it?

I think the UK measure used to exclude mortgage payments but didnt they change to include it?

Alan2005 May 27th 2010 5:45 am

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Originally Posted by jimf (Post 8594062)
Including mortgage interest means as the interest rate rises that element of measured inflation would actually rise, the reverse of what is intended. Is that why you don't agree with including it?

I think the UK measure used to exclude mortgage payments but didnt they change to include it?

Yes, it's positive feed back which seems almost designed to cause credit/asset bubbles.

jimf May 27th 2010 6:07 am

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Originally Posted by Alan2005 (Post 8594074)
Yes, it's positive feed back which seems almost designed to cause credit/asset bubbles.

And in this situation liable to deepen a crash though. ie increase in interest to reduce inflation may actually cause inflation to rise leading to another increase in interest rates leading to rise in inflation etc...


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