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dbd33 Sep 14th 2008 2:10 am

Re: Election - what does it mean ?
 

Originally Posted by pinkmcfarquhar (Post 6782449)
We're currently in Newfoundland where there seems to be the rather strange situation of our boss (Danny Williams) actually being quite popular. Not used to that at all!

Isn't he wonderful on Steven Harper? From memory "if there's one man alive who knows what's bad for the Province of Newfoundland and Labrador, that man'd be Steven Harper".

pinkmcfarquhar Sep 14th 2008 2:14 am

Re: Election - what does it mean ?
 
Yup, Harper's been here twice in recent weeks, and Williams has gone nowhere near him.

It's actually nice being somewhere where a politician is pretty popular - can't remember exact figures, but a recent poll had his support in the upper eighties percentage wise.

dbd33 Sep 14th 2008 2:23 am

Re: Election - what does it mean ?
 

Originally Posted by pinkmcfarquhar (Post 6782462)
Yup, Harper's been here twice in recent weeks, and Williams has gone nowhere near him.

It's actually nice being somewhere where a politician is pretty popular - can't remember exact figures, but a recent poll had his support in the upper eighties percentage wise.

It's easy in Newfoundland, people remember Joey Smallwood and the forced collectivisation of the populace, anyone has to be better!

Chi_Nook Sep 14th 2008 3:53 am

Re: Election - what does it mean ?
 

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 6781169)
You Sir are an ungrateful disgrace. The Liberals brought you here and you owe it to the party to vote for them.

Oh I forgot about that..yes of course I must vote Lieberal. Thank you for the reminder. I was so used to having a hand in my wallet all the time when the Libranos were in office, I'll vote for them so they can get back into the trough.

I'll let Stephen know tomorrow my family and I have suddenly remember we were allowed to immigrate to Canada by Pierre Trudeau the greatest Lieberal of all time, admirer of Fidel Castro and former supporter of the german WWII war effort (and that's true my friends). We will, now like all other grateful immigrants should do, regardless of information or the actual policies of the political parties we'll simply vote for Monsewer Dion or maybe even Taliban Jack and Chairman Chow, as after all we're immigrants.

Stephen would be very bad for Canada. He wants to protect our arctic, give back to the Provinces the powers they had under the original British North America Act (perverted by the Lieberal Party to control Quebec and the West). Make immigration to Canada based on the needs of the country and not encourage low skilled workers from third world countries, who end up in mostly in the GTA living on welfare and contributing nothing to this country. Support families through lower taxes and child benefits (not through some socialist centralized day care program controlled and organized in Ottawa) and make Canada's voice respected in the world, by living up to our international commitments as a member of NATO and a part of the free world.

Oh yes this would be so bad...better vote Lieberal just to stop this madness and let them put their Green Shaft plan in place too. After all I want to pay more to heat my home, drive my car and feed my family, that's the Liberal way.

dbd33 Sep 14th 2008 11:26 pm

Re: Election - what does it mean ?
 

Originally Posted by Chi_Nook (Post 6782657)
Oh I forgot about that..yes of course I must vote Lieberal. Thank you for the reminder. I was so used to having a hand in my wallet all the time when the Libranos were in office, I'll vote for them so they can get back into the trough.

I'll let Stephen know tomorrow my family and I have suddenly remember we were allowed to immigrate to Canada by Pierre Trudeau the greatest Lieberal of all time, admirer of Fidel Castro and former supporter of the german WWII war effort (and that's true my friends). We will, now like all other grateful immigrants should do, regardless of information or the actual policies of the political parties we'll simply vote for Monsewer Dion or maybe even Taliban Jack and Chairman Chow, as after all we're immigrants.

Stephen would be very bad for Canada. He wants to protect our arctic, give back to the Provinces the powers they had under the original British North America Act (perverted by the Lieberal Party to control Quebec and the West). Make immigration to Canada based on the needs of the country and not encourage low skilled workers from third world countries, who end up in mostly in the GTA living on welfare and contributing nothing to this country. Support families through lower taxes and child benefits (not through some socialist centralized day care program controlled and organized in Ottawa) and make Canada's voice respected in the world, by living up to our international commitments as a member of NATO and a part of the free world.

Oh yes this would be so bad...better vote Lieberal just to stop this madness and let them put their Green Shaft plan in place too. After all I want to pay more to heat my home, drive my car and feed my family, that's the Liberal way.

Godwin!


I see that you are horribly confused about Canadian political history,

"perverted by the Lieberal Party to control Quebec"

given to glib racism,

"Monsewer Dion"

and not confident enough in your arguments to be able to make them in plain, simply spelled, English

"Libranos", "Green Shaft".

I say you are a frothing loon in the mould of Ann Coulter. You do, at least, seem to grasped the central idea of post war Canada; you owe your life here to the policies of M. Trudeau. I hope that, in respect of this, you've at least had the decency to learn to speak French and to smoke marijuana.

iaink Sep 15th 2008 2:09 am

Re: Election - what does it mean ?
 
Good God, this is depressing.

When did the BE Canada forum morph into the Globe and Mail comments pages with its frothing loons who so obviously forgot to take their medication...

If I'd paid any money, I would want it back. Maybe I could sue for compensation anyway...

iaink Sep 15th 2008 2:27 am

Re: Election - what does it mean ?
 

Originally Posted by Chi_Nook (Post 6782657)
better vote Lieberal just to stop this madness and let them put their Green Shaft plan in place too. After all I want to pay more to heat my home, drive my car and feed my family, that's the Liberal way.

At least that way there might be a future for your children's children.


Yes, it will cost more in the short term, but the long term cost of doing nothing is unimaginable.

I'm not sure you understand that the time for more dithering over carbon emissions is long gone. If we as a society don't start to do something immediately to start to reduce emissions, rather than talking about it and commissioning more studies and think tanks, then it will be too late to accomplish any positive effect and the outlook for future generations on this planet will be extremely bleak.

rwin Sep 15th 2008 4:34 am

Re: Election - what does it mean ?
 
John was in the fertilized egg business. He had several hundred young layers called pullets and ten roosters to fertilize the eggs. He kept records and any rooster not performing went into the soup pot and was replaced.

This record-keeping took a lot of time so to make the job easier he bought some tiny bells and attached them to his roosters. Each bell had a different tone so he could tell from a distance which rooster was performing. Now, he could sit on the porch and fill out an efficiency report by just listening to the bells.

John's favorite rooster, old Butch, was a very fine specimen, but this morning he noticed old Butch's bell hadn't rung at all! When he went to investigate he saw the other roosters were busy chasing pullets, bells-a-ringing, but the pullets hearing the roosters coming, could run for cover.

To John's amazement, old Butch had his bell in his beak, so it couldn't ring. He'd sneak up on a pullet, do his job and walk on to the next one. John was so proud of old Butch, he entered him in the Ottawa County Fair and he became an overnight sensation among the judges.

The result was the judges not only awarded old Butch the No Bell Piece Prize but they also awarded him the Pulletsurprise as well.

Clearly old Butch was a politician in the making. Who else but a politician could figure out how to win two of the most highly coveted awards on our planet by being the best at sneaking up on the populace and screwing them when they weren't paying attention.

dbd33 Sep 15th 2008 4:47 am

Re: Election - what does it mean ?
 

Originally Posted by rwin (Post 6785826)
John was in the fertilized egg business. He had several hundred young layers called pullets and ten roosters to fertilize the eggs. He kept records and any rooster not performing went into the soup pot and was replaced.

This record-keeping took a lot of time so to make the job easier he bought some tiny bells and attached them to his roosters. Each bell had a different tone so he could tell from a distance which rooster was performing. Now, he could sit on the porch and fill out an efficiency report by just listening to the bells.

John's favorite rooster, old Butch, was a very fine specimen, but this morning he noticed old Butch's bell hadn't rung at all! When he went to investigate he saw the other roosters were busy chasing pullets, bells-a-ringing, but the pullets hearing the roosters coming, could run for cover.

To John's amazement, old Butch had his bell in his beak, so it couldn't ring. He'd sneak up on a pullet, do his job and walk on to the next one. John was so proud of old Butch, he entered him in the Ottawa County Fair and he became an overnight sensation among the judges.

The result was the judges not only awarded old Butch the No Bell Piece Prize but they also awarded him the Pulletsurprise as well.

Clearly old Butch was a politician in the making. Who else but a politician could figure out how to win two of the most highly coveted awards on our planet by being the best at sneaking up on the populace and screwing them when they weren't paying attention.

This weary tale doesn't really work once you've seen chickens and roosters going at it. It's one of those folksy country tales for urban people. What really happens is that when one of the younger roosters is seen mounting a hen, the boss rooster comes tearing across the yard just as the young one gets to concentrating, and knocks him off mid-thrust. The boss rooster doesn't then grab the hen, it's not about want, just about the other rooster not having any fun. Watching the spoilsport boss rooster makes me think of Mr. Harper's attitude toward gaymosexuals.

DaveLovesDee Sep 15th 2008 4:56 am

Re: Election - what does it mean ?
 
What does an election mean?

It means politicians will asking fore money so they can hand it out to groups who don't need it and sometimes don't deserve it, just to get votes. I don't see why we need an election, it's not like Harper's gonna lose this one or get less of his previous share of the vote.

Same shit, different day is all it's going to be again.



Originally Posted by Souvenir (Post 6762268)
I shall vote, it's one of my obligations as a Canadian citizen innit? I feel it my duty to do what I can to prevent Harpie from winning an absolute majority in parliament.

Toronto's Mayor Miller proposes that landed immigrants be allowed to vote in municipal elections. Apparently if you own property in Toronto even if you don't live there you can vote already. http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNew...e=tor2006Story


Originally Posted by iaink (Post 6762794)
Ultimately it doesn't matter who you vote for, the government always gets in.

It's always the same civil servants, whichever political party wins. Yes Minister anyone?


Originally Posted by Chi_Nook (Post 6781095)
Just my unbiased thoughts anyway.

And how long have you worked for the Prime Minister's Office :p.

Chi_Nook Sep 15th 2008 5:31 am

Re: Election - what does it mean ?
 
I'm truly grateful that those of you who want the Lieberals/NDP policies in Canada, who either can't vote because your not citizens of this country or don't vote because your too insular and ghettoized being a brit expat (sounds like something from the long gone British Raj) and much too busy following brit politics to bother to understand the Canadian political system, even after some of you have been living here for many years.

You people would be the first to criticize immigrants to the UK, who didn't or wouldn't integrate in to the UK culture, but instead insisted on maintaining their own language (or slang) and wanted food and news from their homeland to be readily available and brought their politics and biases to the UK and socially only mixed with people from their own country of origin and certainly didn't want to assimilate into the UK way of life and become British.

A message for those of you who can and will bother to vote in our election, if you want Canada to follow the lead of the UK and become a social and cultural disaster, economic basket case and a laughing stock to the rest of the world trying to convince people that its not become a second rate power and is still important in world affairs, go ahead vote for the LIE-beral (I put it in capitals for those who don't get the sarcasm in the spelling).

On the other hand, those of you who don't want to take the time to follow and understand our politics, you could just move back to your socialist utopia of Britain and then you wouldn't have to bother with these silly Canadian elections, after all they're not important to brit expats are they? You really need to know more about what Gordon Brown is doing, what's on the BBC tonight and where you can buy marmite, that's much more important to you than the future of the country where you live and work.

dbd33 Sep 15th 2008 5:33 am

Re: Election - what does it mean ?
 

Originally Posted by Chi_Nook (Post 6785966)
I'm truly grateful that those of you who want the Lieberals/NDP policies in Canada, who either can't vote because your not citizens of this country or don't vote because your too insular and ghettoized being an brit expat (sounds like something from the long gone British Raj) and much too busy following brit politics to bother to understand the Canadian political system, even after some of you have been living here for many years.

You people would be the first to criticize immigrants to the UK, who didn't or wouldn't integrate in to the UK culture, but instead insisted on maintaining the own language (or slang) and wanted food and news from their homeland to be readily available and brought their politics and biases to the UK and socially only mixed with people from their own country of origin and certainly didn't want to assimilate into the UK way of life and become British.

A message for those of you who can and will bother to vote in our election, if you want Canada to follow the lead of the UK and become a be a social and cultural disaster, economic basket case and a laughing stock to the rest of the world trying to convince people that its not become a second rate power and is still important in world affairs, go ahead vote for the LIE-beral (I put it in capitals for those who don't get the sarcasm in the spelling).

On the other hand, those of you who don't want to take the time to follow and understand our politics, you could just move back to your socialist utopia of Britain and then you wouldn't have to bother with these silly Canadian election, after all they're not important to brit expats are they? You really need to know more about what Gordon Brown is doing, what's on the BBC tonight and where you can buy marmite, that's much more important to you than the future of the country where you live and work.

To whom are you speaking?

dbd33 Sep 15th 2008 6:09 am

Re: Election - what does it mean ?
 
You're a puzzling poster, Chi_Nook, it's not immediately obvious what you're on about.


Originally Posted by Chi_Nook (Post 6785966)
I'm truly grateful that those of you who want the Lieberals/NDP policies in Canada, who either can't vote because your not citizens of this country or don't vote because your too insular and ghettoized being an brit expat (sounds like something from the long gone British Raj) and much too busy following brit politics to bother to understand the Canadian political system, even after some of you have been living here for many years.

This isn't syntactically sound. First let's simplify by getting rid of the part in brackets. You chose the expression "brit expat" so for you to deride the expression seems rather silly. Now we have:


Originally Posted by Chi_Nook (Post 6785966)
I'm truly grateful that those of you who want the Lieberals/NDP policies in Canada, who either can't vote because your not citizens of this country or don't vote because your too insular and ghettoized being an brit expat and much too busy following brit politics to bother to understand the Canadian political system, even after some of you have been living here for many years.

Perhaps you didn't mean the "who" after "Canada", perhaps it was obscured by spittle. If we take that out you seem to be attacking:

- people who can't vote in Canada
- people who don't vote in Canada

although you are grateful to those who could vote, would vote against your "man", and don't.

You assume that some, or all, of the above:

- are insular
- don't understand Canadian politics
- are interested in British politics

I don't see how these three relate and, if they do somehow relate to each other, I don't see how people exhibiting one or all of these traits don't or can't vote in Canada. Please explain.


Originally Posted by Chi_Nook (Post 6785966)
You people would be the first to criticize immigrants to the UK,

Which people? The ones who don't vote in Canada? How do you know that people not voting here hold any particular opinion on immigrants to there?


Originally Posted by Chi_Nook (Post 6785966)
who didn't or wouldn't integrate in to the UK culture, but instead insisted on maintaining the own language (or slang) and wanted food and news from their homeland to be readily available

It may be that some people who can't or don't vote in Canada would be insular if they were living in the UK but the Canadian election has more to do with life in Canada. Canada is a country in which non-integration, multiculturalism, is the governing doctrine of the country. People who favour a integration, a melting pot model, would do better to move to the US.


Originally Posted by Chi_Nook (Post 6785966)
and brought their politics and biases to the UK and socially only mixed with people from their own country of origin and certainly didn't want to assimilate into the UK way of life and become British.

Everyone carries politics and biases. What makes Canada appealing is the broad variety of politics and biases brought by people from all over the world. The irrelevance of the unhyphenated population is perhaps the best feature of the place. You need to realise that Canada is not the UK, you can't compare everything here directly to things there.


Originally Posted by Chi_Nook (Post 6785966)
A message for those of you who can and will bother to vote in our election, if you want Canada to follow the lead of the UK and become a be a social and cultural disaster, economic basket case and a laughing stock to the rest of the world trying to convince people that its not become a second rate power and is still important in world affairs,.

I think this string of words fails on two major points:

- you haven't demonstrated that the UK is any of the things you claim
- if there are problems in the UK then the root of them may very well be thought by emigres to lay with Mrs. Thatcher. If that's true then voting for a Thatcherette such as Harper would be ill advised.



Originally Posted by Chi_Nook (Post 6785966)
go ahead vote for the LIE-beral (I put it in capitals for those who don't get the sarcasm in the spelling).

Oh, I see what you've done there. Very clever.


Originally Posted by Chi_Nook (Post 6785966)
On the other hand, those of you who don't want to take the time to follow and understand our politics, you could just move back to your socialist utopia of Britain and then you wouldn't have to bother with these silly Canadian election, after all they're not important to brit expats are they? You really need to know more about what Gordon Brown is doing, what's on the BBC tonight and where you can buy marmite, that's much more important to you than the future of the country where you live and work.

Actually, for those living and working in Canada, the US election is the critical one. Liberal governments adopt less poodlish positions as regards than Conservative ones but even they have their choice of foreign wars set for them by Washington.

clynnog Sep 15th 2008 8:46 am

Re: Election - what does it mean ?
 

Originally Posted by Chi_Nook (Post 6781095)

Of course if Dion/Layton wins, to take our collective minds off the introduction of their bankrupt socialist policies, they could always try to get us adoring and fawning over celebrities, hooked on watching TV all the time, become sports fanatics and for good measure encourage the consumption of more alcohol. Then we may forget about just how bad our lives have really become.

Just my unbiased thoughts anyway.

Sounds like the News of the World recipe for contentment

Chi_Nook Sep 15th 2008 10:34 am

Re: Election - what does it mean ?
 

Originally Posted by clynnog (Post 6786624)
Sounds like the News of the World recipe for contentment

Yup that's what I meant.

Take care.


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