Driving license pickle
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Driving license pickle
I move to rural NS in a couple of weeks so need to be able to drive. I haven't driven in the UK for 10-15 years because I hate driving so never bothered keeping my license details (name/address) up to date.
I decided to send off for a name change as I'm obviously going to need to swap it for a NS license & I noticed I am supposed to declare if I've ever had a seizure. I had one about 3 years ago brought on by a traumatic injury & the doctor told me not to drive & referred me to a specialist (making a mountain out of a molehill in my opinion), after trying to book this appointment & keep being told there's none available for about 3 months I gave up. I didn't know I was supposed have reported this to the DVLA until this week.
My problem now is that I have no time to rectify this. If I declare it, it will probably mean getting a GP appointment (no chance in the time I have left) & she will probably insist on me seeing a specialist before she signs anything off. You can get your license back if you have been seizure free for a year (which I obviously have) so this is all down to bureaucracy at this point.
Should I just forget about it as I have no intention of driving in this country again anyway? What happens on the NS side, am I supposed to declare it there? If I do will it then be a problem that I didn't tell DVLA? Should I not declare in NS, will they have access to my UK medical record if say I had an accident?
I'm in a bit of a catch 22 & wouldn't mind hearing what others would do in this situation
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I decided to send off for a name change as I'm obviously going to need to swap it for a NS license & I noticed I am supposed to declare if I've ever had a seizure. I had one about 3 years ago brought on by a traumatic injury & the doctor told me not to drive & referred me to a specialist (making a mountain out of a molehill in my opinion), after trying to book this appointment & keep being told there's none available for about 3 months I gave up. I didn't know I was supposed have reported this to the DVLA until this week.
My problem now is that I have no time to rectify this. If I declare it, it will probably mean getting a GP appointment (no chance in the time I have left) & she will probably insist on me seeing a specialist before she signs anything off. You can get your license back if you have been seizure free for a year (which I obviously have) so this is all down to bureaucracy at this point.
Should I just forget about it as I have no intention of driving in this country again anyway? What happens on the NS side, am I supposed to declare it there? If I do will it then be a problem that I didn't tell DVLA? Should I not declare in NS, will they have access to my UK medical record if say I had an accident?
I'm in a bit of a catch 22 & wouldn't mind hearing what others would do in this situation
Thanks
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I suspect that you know what you need to do.
In Alberta, one has to declare any medical conditions that affect one's ability to drive each time one applies for a licence (initial application and renewals). I am a diabetic and this requires me to obtain a medical from my doctor ($$) and then run the debacle of seeing how long I will be given until my next renewal. Regular drivers get 5 years. I have been given anything from 2 to 5 years. The medical report is interpreted by a government bureaucrat and they decide how long to give me. Each time, the medical reports have been identical.
In Alberta, one has to declare any medical conditions that affect one's ability to drive each time one applies for a licence (initial application and renewals). I am a diabetic and this requires me to obtain a medical from my doctor ($$) and then run the debacle of seeing how long I will be given until my next renewal. Regular drivers get 5 years. I have been given anything from 2 to 5 years. The medical report is interpreted by a government bureaucrat and they decide how long to give me. Each time, the medical reports have been identical.
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I suppose you could ignore the lot and just start over in NS, but the NS license requirements for those starting afresh look pretty eeeeeeeekkk to me https://www.novascotia.ca/sns/rmv/licence/gradlic.asp
Also the legality of just not declaring it is questionable.
I would recommend trying to get an emergency appt with your GP and rectify your UK licensing situation so you can just swap in NS. That sounds way easier than getting a new NS license.
Also the legality of just not declaring it is questionable.
I would recommend trying to get an emergency appt with your GP and rectify your UK licensing situation so you can just swap in NS. That sounds way easier than getting a new NS license.
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Re: Driving license pickle
I suspect that you know what you need to do.
In Alberta, one has to declare any medical conditions that affect one's ability to drive each time one applies for a licence (initial application and renewals). I am a diabetic and this requires me to obtain a medical from my doctor ($$) and then run the debacle of seeing how long I will be given until my next renewal. Regular drivers get 5 years. I have been given anything from 2 to 5 years. The medical report is interpreted by a government bureaucrat and they decide how long to give me. Each time, the medical reports have been identical.
In Alberta, one has to declare any medical conditions that affect one's ability to drive each time one applies for a licence (initial application and renewals). I am a diabetic and this requires me to obtain a medical from my doctor ($$) and then run the debacle of seeing how long I will be given until my next renewal. Regular drivers get 5 years. I have been given anything from 2 to 5 years. The medical report is interpreted by a government bureaucrat and they decide how long to give me. Each time, the medical reports have been identical.
I also already sent of my name change form without checking the yes box on the medical declaration though I suppose I can always fess up & say I hadn't read it properly if I decide to declare.
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I suppose you could ignore the lot and just start over in NS, but the NS license requirements for those starting afresh look pretty eeeeeeeekkk to me https://www.novascotia.ca/sns/rmv/licence/gradlic.asp
Also the legality of just not declaring it is questionable.
I would recommend trying to get an emergency appt with your GP and rectify your UK licensing situation so you can just swap in NS. That sounds way easier than getting a new NS license.
Also the legality of just not declaring it is questionable.
I would recommend trying to get an emergency appt with your GP and rectify your UK licensing situation so you can just swap in NS. That sounds way easier than getting a new NS license.
I don't fancy going through all that again, took me long enough to get it first time round
My GP is pants, it takes 2 days just to get through on the phone, then you are lucky to get an appointment within 3 weeks, & they will only give you an emergency appointment if it's an urgent medical problem. Last time I saw her she asked me to leave because she was tired & her next patient is dying, I pretty sure she is not going to give two hoots about whether I can drive or not.
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Were you not told when you had the seizure that you should not drive? I've had a couple of friends both in the UK and here told this when they had seizures.
Did you only really think about updating this stuff with a very short amount of time? Ignoring the medical side of things, getting a licence updated could take a few weeks, so it should be one of the big things, in my opinion, on the list of "things to sort as soon as possible"
As for an actual answer, yes, you should have declared this on the name change / renewal, and yes, you should have got an appointment to support you have not had a seizure in X years and sent that as supporting evidence.
You can indeed "fess up" but it is possible they will see this no different as you blatantly lying about it, which one could say you have, and as such, they could decline to renew without the medical evidence you are clear.
As pointed out by others, getting a new licence out here would require going through the graduated licence process, which appears to be a serious pain in comparison to the test in the UK. Wether you decide to declare when over here is up to you, but personally I'd tell them, however, you would then need to prove you're ok to drive, which could be tricky as you're in a new country.
Harsh? oh quite possibly.
Did you only really think about updating this stuff with a very short amount of time? Ignoring the medical side of things, getting a licence updated could take a few weeks, so it should be one of the big things, in my opinion, on the list of "things to sort as soon as possible"
As for an actual answer, yes, you should have declared this on the name change / renewal, and yes, you should have got an appointment to support you have not had a seizure in X years and sent that as supporting evidence.
You can indeed "fess up" but it is possible they will see this no different as you blatantly lying about it, which one could say you have, and as such, they could decline to renew without the medical evidence you are clear.
As pointed out by others, getting a new licence out here would require going through the graduated licence process, which appears to be a serious pain in comparison to the test in the UK. Wether you decide to declare when over here is up to you, but personally I'd tell them, however, you would then need to prove you're ok to drive, which could be tricky as you're in a new country.
Harsh? oh quite possibly.
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As others and you have said you know what you should do/have done. Even if you get your UK license you will probably be asked to sign/state that you have never been advised not to drive. At this point you would ever need to fess up or lie.
The danger with lying would be that if you have a crash at any point in the future the failure to declare that you were previously told by your GP (who would of made a note of it in your medical records) not to drive could a) invalidate any auto insurance you hold (who presumably will ask the question if you have ever been advised not to drive) and b) lead to criminal charges by the police.
I had a blackout incident a few years ago and was told by the GP not to drive till I had the OK from both a cardiologist and neurologist. Luckily I had private medical insurance through my employer so it got sorted in a few weeks.
The danger with lying would be that if you have a crash at any point in the future the failure to declare that you were previously told by your GP (who would of made a note of it in your medical records) not to drive could a) invalidate any auto insurance you hold (who presumably will ask the question if you have ever been advised not to drive) and b) lead to criminal charges by the police.
I had a blackout incident a few years ago and was told by the GP not to drive till I had the OK from both a cardiologist and neurologist. Luckily I had private medical insurance through my employer so it got sorted in a few weeks.
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Were you not told when you had the seizure that you should not drive? I've had a couple of friends both in the UK and here told this when they had seizures.
Yes, but the Dr said it in a really casual after thought kind of way as I was walking out the door (I don't even think she wrote it down) which sounded more like a 'don't drive at the moment' comment. I had no idea I was supposed to inform DVLA about it.
Did you only really think about updating this stuff with a very short amount of time? Ignoring the medical side of things, getting a licence updated could take a few weeks, so it should be one of the big things, in my opinion, on the list of "things to sort as soon as possible"
No, but other stuff got in the way, as you well know with moving there's a list of about 20 top priority things to sort out. Driving is not high on my radar because I don't do it. Besides I should be getting my new license just in time so that on it's own is not an issue.
As for an actual answer, yes, you should have declared this on the name change / renewal, and yes, you should have got an appointment to support you have not had a seizure in X years and sent that as supporting evidence.
You can indeed "fess up" but it is possible they will see this no different as you blatantly lying about it, which one could say you have, and as such, they could decline to renew without the medical evidence you are clear.
I would really need to talk to the Dr before I declare to make sure that that side of things is in place.
As pointed out by others, getting a new licence out here would require going through the graduated licence process, which appears to be a serious pain in comparison to the test in the UK. Wether you decide to declare when over here is up to you, but personally I'd tell them, however, you would then need to prove you're ok to drive, which could be tricky as you're in a new country.
So even if I do declare it & everything is above board I could still have trouble on the NS side.
This seems an awful lot of trouble for a one off incident.
Harsh? oh quite possibly.
Yes, but the Dr said it in a really casual after thought kind of way as I was walking out the door (I don't even think she wrote it down) which sounded more like a 'don't drive at the moment' comment. I had no idea I was supposed to inform DVLA about it.
Did you only really think about updating this stuff with a very short amount of time? Ignoring the medical side of things, getting a licence updated could take a few weeks, so it should be one of the big things, in my opinion, on the list of "things to sort as soon as possible"
No, but other stuff got in the way, as you well know with moving there's a list of about 20 top priority things to sort out. Driving is not high on my radar because I don't do it. Besides I should be getting my new license just in time so that on it's own is not an issue.
As for an actual answer, yes, you should have declared this on the name change / renewal, and yes, you should have got an appointment to support you have not had a seizure in X years and sent that as supporting evidence.
You can indeed "fess up" but it is possible they will see this no different as you blatantly lying about it, which one could say you have, and as such, they could decline to renew without the medical evidence you are clear.
I would really need to talk to the Dr before I declare to make sure that that side of things is in place.
As pointed out by others, getting a new licence out here would require going through the graduated licence process, which appears to be a serious pain in comparison to the test in the UK. Wether you decide to declare when over here is up to you, but personally I'd tell them, however, you would then need to prove you're ok to drive, which could be tricky as you're in a new country.
So even if I do declare it & everything is above board I could still have trouble on the NS side.
This seems an awful lot of trouble for a one off incident.
Harsh? oh quite possibly.
Harsh? No, I know I've not exactly helped the situation I'm in, I appreciate your honesty
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Irrespective of what you decide to do about your current licence, you will face the declaration hurdle when you either try to swap your licence in NS, or if you decide to use the graduated licence scheme in NS.
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As others and you have said you know what you should do/have done. Even if you get your UK license you will probably be asked to sign/state that you have never been advised not to drive. At this point you would ever need to fess up or lie.
The danger with lying would be that if you have a crash at any point in the future the failure to declare that you were previously told by your GP (who would of made a note of it in your medical records) not to drive could a) invalidate any auto insurance you hold (who presumably will ask the question if you have ever been advised not to drive) and b) lead to criminal charges by the police.
I had a blackout incident a few years ago and was told by the GP not to drive till I had the OK from both a cardiologist and neurologist. Luckily I had private medical insurance through my employer so it got sorted in a few weeks.
The danger with lying would be that if you have a crash at any point in the future the failure to declare that you were previously told by your GP (who would of made a note of it in your medical records) not to drive could a) invalidate any auto insurance you hold (who presumably will ask the question if you have ever been advised not to drive) and b) lead to criminal charges by the police.
I had a blackout incident a few years ago and was told by the GP not to drive till I had the OK from both a cardiologist and neurologist. Luckily I had private medical insurance through my employer so it got sorted in a few weeks.
I won't be driving in the UK though, can Canada have access to UK medical records?
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So you are saying that if I declare it in NS I really need the evidence from my Dr anyway.
So I have two choices then declare it in both countries & hope I can get necessary appointments sorted in two weeks & being screwed if I can't.
or
Say nothing & pretend it didn't happen
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As someone who has gone through the process do you think the GP has the power to sign you off as fit to drive or do they have to send you to specialists? So much time has gone now without another incident maybe my GP won't see the need for it.
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So you are saying that if I declare it in NS I really need the evidence from my Dr anyway.
So I have two choices then declare it in both countries & hope I can get necessary appointments sorted in two weeks & being screwed if I can't.
or
Say nothing & pretend it didn't happen
So I have two choices then declare it in both countries & hope I can get necessary appointments sorted in two weeks & being screwed if I can't.
or
Say nothing & pretend it didn't happen
I suggest that you do whatever you feel comfortable doing.
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There's always something isn't there? Comes at you just when you think you are all set. I don't want to add to your worries but did they ask anything about seizures when you took your medical to come here? If they did (and I can't remember if that is a question or not) you might want to factor whatever you answered into what you plan to do now.
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I wouldn't ignore the issue. If you're involved in an accident here, and the (ruthless) insurance companies dig around, you could be in a world of merde.
I would suggest either a) paying to see a specialist privately ASAP in the UK or b) truthfully answering the question here when you trade the license, and getting it resolved here.
I would suggest either a) paying to see a specialist privately ASAP in the UK or b) truthfully answering the question here when you trade the license, and getting it resolved here.