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Old Mar 21st 2014 | 9:25 am
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Originally Posted by Siouxie
Yes, it happens, however there are ways to get around the problem if you have a mind to - nobody forces you to break the law.
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I break the law in my car all the time, I seldom travel at or below the speed limit, unless in a school zone. I somehow doubt I am in a minority here (other than slowing down in school zones perhaps...),
I dont exceed it by much, but lets face it, if you do the speedlimit you are going to be a hazard to yourself and those around you because no one else except school bus drivers and speed limited trucks on the highways actually does the limit, and the cops dont enforce the limit, they enforce the limit plus 10 or 20 or 30 kmh over.

Im not saying its right to drive without insurance, and i dont condone it, but its foolish to pretend that it doesnt happen all the time because the statistics regarding the incidence and cost of the practice are plain to see.

Its all too easy to be judgmental about this, lord knows people love to judge others, Im just spelling out one hypothetical circumstance where I could see otherwise law abiding productive members of society slipping into doing it.

Its all very well saying get a ride from someone else. When you live in the sticks the chances of anyone else at work living near you are not good. The nearest colleague of mine lives 25 km away, thats pretty typical for those at work who dont choose to live in one of 3 local towns.

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Old Mar 21st 2014 | 9:31 am
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Originally Posted by burks
Yes, and I addressed the lose your license part of the quote. What is your justification for someone driving unlicensed when they have done something (or several things) to have their license taken away from them...?
If they really have no alternative but to drive illegally for a while in order to keep food on the table, then its probably the lesser of two evils. Ive not much sympathy with them though to be honest.

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Old Mar 21st 2014 | 9:32 am
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Originally Posted by iaink
I break the law in my car all the time, I seldom travel at or below the speed limit, unless in a school zone. I somehow doubt I am in a minority here,
I dont exceed it by much, but lets face it, if you do the speedlimit you are going to be a hazard to yourself and those around you because no one else except school bus drivers and speed limited trucks on the highways actually does the limit, and the cops dont enforce the limit, they enforce the limit plus 10 or 20 or 30 kmh over.

Im not say its right to drive without insurance, and i dont condone it, but its foolish to pretend that it doesnt happen all the time because the statistics regarding the incidence and cost of the practice are plain to see.

Its all too easy to be judgmental about this, lord knows people love to judge others, Im just spelling out one hypothetical circumstance where I could see otherwise law abiding productive members of society slipping into doing it.

Its all very well saying get a ride from someone else. When you live in the sticks the chances of anyone else at work living near you are not good. The nearest colleague of mine lives 25 km away, thats pretty typical for those at work who dont choose to live in one of 3 local towns.
But someone who has lost their license isn't an "otherwise law abiding" member of society. You do not get your license taken away from you just for speeding (unless you are driving at a stupid excessive speed). You are either given points or tickets and then after x amount of these you have your license taken away.

Yes I also drive faster than the speed limit a lot of the time, when conditions allow for it. But if I knew that one more ticket/3 more points would mean I would lose my license then I wouldn't. Especially if I relied on my car. That is common sense isn't it?
 
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Originally Posted by iaink
I break the law in my car all the time, I seldom travel at or below the limit, unless in a school zone. I dont exceed it by much, but lets face it, if you do the speedlimit you are going to be a hazard to yourself and those around you because no one else except school bus drivers and speed limited trucks on the highways actually does the limit, and the cops dont enforce the limit, they enforce the limit plus 10 or 20 or 30 kmh over.

Im not say its right to drive without insurance, and i dont condone it, but its foolish to pretend that it doesnt happen all the time because the statistics regarding the incidence and cost of the practice are plain to see.

Its all too easy to be judgmental about this, lord knows people love to judge others, Im just spelling out one hypothetical circumstance where I could see otherwise law abiding productive members of society slipping into doing it.

Its all very well saying get a ride from someone else. When you live in the sticks the chances of anyone else at work living near you are not good. The nearest collegue of mine lives 25 km away, thats pretty typical for those at work who dont choose to live in one of 3 local towns.
She lives in the sticks.

I'm not being judgemental at all, all I am saying is that nobody is forced to drive without a licence or insurance - they make that choice. It just irritates me when people 'do' things because making the right choice is an inconvenience to them - it's the easy option.

If someone was in the position of not living within reasonable distance of a neighbour, friend or colleague they could just as easily purchase an e-bike - no insurance or licence required - to get to their house or to get to work. It might not be the greatest, but (at least in non-winter weather) it would be an alternative.

 
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Originally Posted by Siouxie
She lives in the sticks.

I'm not being judgemental at all, all I am saying is that nobody is forced to drive without a licence or insurance - they make that choice. It just irritates me when people 'do' things because making the right choice is an inconvenience to them - it's the easy option.

If someone was in the position of not living within reasonable distance of a neighbour, friend or colleague they could just as easily purchase an e-bike - no insurance or licence required - to get to work. It might not be the greatest, but (at least in non-winter weather) it would be an alternative.

http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/graphics/en...g/bike-1-r.jpg
I hope it comes in other colours...
 
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Originally Posted by burks
But someone who has lost their license isn't an "otherwise law abiding" member of society. You do not get your license taken away from you just for speeding (unless you are driving at a stupid excessive speed).
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Originally Posted by Siouxie
It might not be the greatest, but (at least in non-winter weather) it would be an alternative.

http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/graphics/en...g/bike-1-r.jpg
Not so good for holding down a job this year then! Where exactly do you pack the kids anyway

Jesus, you would be mowed over and left as a sticky patch on the road by a speeding F150 with a plow within 2 km of leaving home in my neighbourhood! Until they introduce the death penalty for driving without insurance you would be safer taking your chances evading the law.

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I hope it comes in other colours...
How about one of these?







 
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Definitely an improvement in colour!
 
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I want one!
 
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Originally Posted by beckiwoo
I want one!
Me too! Actually, they are quite reasonably priced - and no insurance needed - so if you are living in or near a City or town they are not a bad option for getting around.

 
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Originally Posted by iaink
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I lost my license for speeding. There was an administrative cock up so the first I knew of it was when a letter arrived saying my suspension was over. Oh dear.

I've also been re-educated a couple of times. Those sessions are usually in the middle of nowhere so everyone has to drive to them, a couple of people get license suspensions each time. Inevitably, they surrender their license and then get in their truck and drive away. Once I stood and watched with the re-educator "what you gonna do?" she said. There's not really anything to do, it's better for society that they drive to work than that they don't drive and don't work.

The local paper runs a fun feature "Speeders of the Week", listing recent tickets of interest. The cars are not usually going that fast, this week 97mph on highway 6. I feel a bit cheated to have had serious tickets without making the paper.
 
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Originally Posted by dbd33
I don't want to seem too assimilated here but haven't we all been in the postion of coming out of the pub, looking at the car, deciding we're all too drunk to operate it legally, and then lifting the one without a license behind the wheel on the basis that he, of she, has less to lose?
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Originally Posted by KarenTurner510
12 months. Will still be banned in the UK when I leave Canada, so obviously I won't be driving in the UK upon returning as I will be/am banned from driving in the UK.
Didn't yoiu have to return your UK licence to the DVLA after disdqualification so tht the ban can be noted on it? I know I did when I got speeding points.
 
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Didn't yoiu have to return your UK licence to the DVLA after disdqualification so tht the ban can be noted on it? I know I did when I got speeding points.
Usually any ban greater than 56 days means that the license has to be surrendered and a new license needs to be applied for upon the completion of the ban.

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