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simonfiction Feb 4th 2010 6:11 pm

Re: Does Canada = Utopia?
 

Originally Posted by dboy (Post 8310423)
you'd better watch this.....not really a dangerous ghetto like many in the US but pathetic all the same:

http://scoutmagazine.ca/2010/02/02/w...ry/#more-16510

I just finished watching this. Pretty amazing documentary. Definitely changed my view of the DTES although left me even more confused to solutions. The really sad part of the whole scenario seems to be the "failed social experiment" that was closing down the mental homes. Who's bright idea was that?

dboy Feb 4th 2010 6:18 pm

Re: Does Canada = Utopia?
 

Originally Posted by simonfiction (Post 8313851)
I just finished watching this. Pretty amazing documentary. Definitely changed my view of the DTES although left me even more confused to solutions. The really sad part of the whole scenario seems to be the "failed social experiment" that was closing down the mental homes. Who's bright idea was that?

not unique to canada - it's called deinstitutionalization - that's why there are so many crazies wandering around -

dbd33 Feb 4th 2010 11:46 pm

Re: Does Canada = Utopia?
 

Originally Posted by Lord Vader (Post 8313752)
no argument from me about the DTES being some quasi government produced shithole. That is Vancouver's problem. Relatively speaking it is a small area located in the downtown of the city, so you see cars and the general public all around.

The ghetto in Detroit is a HUGE swath of the residential area of the city. You don't see cars in the Detroit ghetto's because the cars will get stolen there if in fact people could afford them. Those dilapidated buildings are in fact homes for many thousands. It would be more like Surrey. Like Bleepy Bloops said there is nothing close to this in Canada. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Incomemap.jpg

Canada has 10% of the population of the US. So, by rights, the ghettos should be 10% of the size. What's the population of your Detroit ghetto and that of the DTES?

I was surprised at Bleepy Bloops' claim as previous posts indicate that he or she lives in Weston. I believe Weston to be an industrial estate adjacent to Rexdale and so I would have though he or she would have direct knowledge of the frequent shootings and arson attacks there. Any street in Rexdale with "Driftwood" in the name is comparably rough to any district in the US with "Heights" in the name.

Lord Vader Feb 5th 2010 2:12 am

Re: Does Canada = Utopia?
 

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 8314504)
Canada has 10% of the population of the US. So, by rights, the ghettos should be 10% of the size. What's the population of your Detroit ghetto and that of the DTES?

But we are talking about individual cities in this case, metro Detroit is not 10 times the population of metro Vancouver.

dboy Feb 5th 2010 2:14 am

Re: Does Canada = Utopia?
 

Originally Posted by dbd33 (Post 8314504)
Canada has 10% of the population of the US. So, by rights, the ghettos should be 10% of the size. What's the population of your Detroit ghetto and that of the DTES?

I was surprised at Bleepy Bloops' claim as previous posts indicate that he or she lives in Weston. I believe Weston to be an industrial estate adjacent to Rexdale and so I would have though he or she would have direct knowledge of the frequent shootings and arson attacks there. Any street in Rexdale with "Driftwood" in the name is comparably rough to any district in the US with "Heights" in the name.

Your comparison is flawed. When comparing vancouver to detroit:

vancouver city - 114 sq km - 600,000
vancouver metro - 2.2 million

detroit city 370 sq km - 900,000
detroit metro - 4.4 million

so using your formula, the dtes should be about half of the size of the detroit ghetto.

LV is right, the ghettoizatoin of the dtes is down to well intended but misguided government policy. Further, the concentration of the dtes and its proximity to down town (within about 4 blocks of the CBD) makes it a lot more visible. Also Vancouver's core is much more dense.

G77 Feb 5th 2010 2:36 am

Re: Does Canada = Utopia?
 
I go to Detroit all the time - it's fine long as you use some common sense.... Majority of the murders are gang on gang killings.

Steve_P Feb 5th 2010 2:41 am

Re: Does Canada = Utopia?
 

Originally Posted by G77 (Post 8314887)
I go to Detroit all the time - it's fine long as you use some common sense.... Majority of the murders are gang on gang killings.

So what you're saying is...don't join a gang and you'll be OK. :p

Lord Vader Feb 5th 2010 2:48 am

Re: Does Canada = Utopia?
 

Originally Posted by Steve_P (Post 8314904)
So what you're saying is...don't join a gang and you'll be OK. :p

or walk through the ghetto by yourself ;)

dboy Feb 5th 2010 3:04 am

Re: Does Canada = Utopia?
 

Originally Posted by G77 (Post 8314887)
I go to Detroit all the time - it's fine long as you use some common sense.... Majority of the murders are gang on gang killings.

most murders are gang on gang anywhere in the western hemisphere, the rest are largely domestics or assaults that got out of hand. Wandering around the dtes, I'd more concerned about a discarded needle.


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